Jack Fleming Phtgrphy wrote:
So,  you are all sitting around arguing if a model is too young to be in a fashion show and if she's under 18, she's jail bait. As a male, I started working physical labor at the age of 14 for a friend's Dad. He paid me under the table and the money was good. Point is, I was 14 and it wasn't about what I looked like or who I was dating. it was about the "work" I was responsible for doing.

LAST TIME I CHECKED AT A FASHION SHOW (and I shoot Mercedes Benz Fashion Week in Los Angeles), I wasn't there to get a date with a runway model. I was there to photograph the dress (or outfit or accessories) the model was wearing. It's NOT about the model. It's about what the designer has designed in their collection and is trying to display on the moving model.

Are we here to pick up on models or are we  here to do business and remain professional and photograph fashion (or whatever genre you work with)?

These kinds of debates (or many of the responses in them) are why I hate this sight and many of the unprofessionals on here.

Get back to what you are supposed to be doing if you are going to be professional. And if you can't handle it? Leave.

Now, can we get back to discussing the quality of photography, fashion, glamour, and the other relevant things this site should be about?

AMEN!!!!!!!!!!   Thank you thank you thank you.   If she can walk down the runway and sell the clothes, WHO THE F#@K cares how old she is!!!

Markcomp wrote:

Where do you think they change in a private dressing room?

So all the girls change in the same room. Whoop dee do. Welcome to a girls locker room.

14 year old Runaway Models

Maybe I should start working on the screenplay for Lifetime.

Ex Voto Fashion Studio wrote:

agreed!

I'd rather see a 14 yr old doing runway where they're basically wearing prom dresses and evening gowns and such than to see them doing Guess or A&F ads. Most of the print work girls do at that age is more adult than a RUNWAY SHOW.  It's runway for god's sake - and I say that as an agent, a photog, AND a mother.

I see a lot worse in print work - swimsuit ads, cosmetic ads, even catalogs.

Besides - it's a lot easier for a 14 yr old to be a healthy size 0/2 than for a 18 year old!

Lesley Alexandra wrote:
Reading these posts it makes me wonder how many of the people writing them have ever participated in a Fashion show during Fashion week.  My guess is very few.

I totally agree with you!

Kriss Marie wrote:
if a 14 yr old is modeling the runway...i need to get my ass going!!


Does anyone want a 18 yr old girl who stands 5'9" in a photo shoot, runway or anything!! 

Let me kno ; )

Kriss Marie

Yup. If you want to be a model you gotta "get going" east, west or south (NYC, LA, or Miami). In this business, it's "Goodbye, Columbus"! (Or Cleveland which is closer to Solon.) Tough business, this.

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Lisa Lee Photography wrote:

I'd rather see a 14 yr old doing runway where they're basically wearing prom dresses and evening gowns and such than to see them doing Guess or A&F ads. Most of the print work girls do at that age is more adult than a RUNWAY SHOW.  It's runway for god's sake - and I say that as an agent, a photog, AND a mother.

I see a lot worse in print work - swimsuit ads, cosmetic ads, even catalogs.

Besides - it's a lot easier for a 14 yr old to be a healthy size 0/2 than for a 18 year old!

True about the runway vs print part when talking about couture/high end work.  As far as the last statement, I disagree.  It's not 'easier' to be healthy at a smaller size the younger you are.  Age has nothing to do with dress size or how easy or hard it is to maintain fashion size reqs.  GENETICS has everything to do with it.  I know people in their 40's that still try to gain weight and I've seen plenty of 10 year olds that are on diets or want to be on one to lose weight.  For a person that's not naturally raily and that is manipulating their natural build (crash dieting) to maintain fashion sizes, yeah, it's gonna get harder to maintain measurements when they get older.  But a naturally lanky and tall giraffe that's the typical fashionista, we're built lanky for ever unless we actively try and gain weight and put on size.

Kriss Marie wrote:
also - how whould one get a job at guess..thats someplace i would love to model. I work at a Guess Store also, so it would be perfect!

KM

Move to the big city , get signed by an Agency ...roll the dice of life

Radioactive Gypsy wrote:
I think there is nothing wrong with 14 year old models. (Now the requirement for runway is 16).  I think the emphasis should be on parents/ guardians supervising the young teen to castings, fittings, and shows.

Actually, the requirement is only 16 in some places and on certain days. It's not a universal rule. Last year, Daphne Groeneveld and Lindsay Wixson walked plenty of shows and they were 15.

Paul Brecht wrote:
How did you find this posting 3+ years back in the forums?

I was thinking the same thing.  Who goes looking for this sort of thing?  The person who resurrected it... her FIRST post.  Curious to a creepy degree, in a way.

Shon D.- Femme wrote:

So 14 is too young, but by 16 she's magically mature enough?

Does not compute.

Sure it computes.

It's Magic.

PYPI FASHION wrote:

There is a difference. A 14 year actor is likely to be hired to portray a young teen, not a adult in evening gowns.

Go back to old movies, the lead guy that gets the girl is usually like 45, the girl is a young teen most of the time.

Kimberly Meleshko wrote:
Coming from a 16 year old (please no naive comments), it sucks wanting to get into the industry and having the age restriction. I believe that if a 14 year old wants to model and has the look, why not? As long as they don't do anything suggestive and have a parent or gaurdian presents at the shoots, there is nothing wrong. Modeling isn't about age, you are picked to model because of what you look like. If you suit the job at 14 better then a 19 year old, why would the business not hire the 14 year old.

Think of fashion week, having agents ringing her mother 10 times a day telling her to get her to 20 different castings, her having less than 6 hours of sleep a night, and faced with the pressure of starving herself.

That's not a nice environment for a child.

Shon D.- Femme wrote:
So 14 is too young, but by 16 she's magically mature enough?

Does not compute.

I scratched my head for a while thinking about how best to reply to this, but I don't really know how, without telling you that Peter Pan was make believe, and revealing the secret that people grow older.

Fashion Photographer wrote:

Think of fashion week, having agents ringing her mother 10 times a day telling her to get her to 20 different castings, her having less than 6 hours of sleep a night, and faced with the pressure of starving herself.

That's not a nice environment for a child.

I don't know why my thread was resurrected after 3 years nor do I know much about 14 year olds "faced with the pressures of starving themselves " as I think those sort of pressures probably affect a small minority of that age group but increase as a model ages and attempts to maintain industry dictated weight and measurement requirements

As for the rest of what you say does not present a nice environment for a child ( adolscent is what you really mean ) Having been involved in my city's Fashion Week for the past 20 seasons I really dont see such an environment as any more demanding that say that of competitive level sports or dance that many teens are involved in

A Fashion Week can be a gruelling experience for all of those involved no matter what a persons age

but its generally a positive experience as well - especially for the newcomers

Paul Brecht wrote:
How did you find this posting 3+ years back in the forums?

I have trouble finding posts from 24 hrs ago
3yrs+ is astonishing

Shon D.- Homme wrote:
It's the double edged newbie sword. Post a new thread and people will say, "You could just search and find like a million threads about it". Bump an old thread, and everyone complains about that.

True, i dont see the problem with bumping old threads actually, as long as it still relevant.

Laura Ann Photography wrote:
I have no problem with 14 year olds walking the runway.

It's best to start young in the business, and if the girls are capable, and mentally ready to, let them.

As long as they have parents who are willing to guide them, and support them, I see no issues.

I quite agree with this.

JadeDRed wrote:

True, i dont see the problem with bumping old threads actually, as long as it still relevant.

it's against the rules..

Holden wrote:
Rape is not about sex, it's about violence.


End.

Nope.  It's about sex -- maybe violent sex -- but it's about sex.

Hermesz Fine Art wrote:
What scares me is things like this:

I posted a listing on Craigslist for a "Classic Nude: model and got this response,

Hey,

     I'm a 14-year-old female so not very developed but might work.  I've never modeled before but am looking to start now.  5'7", blonde, fairly skinny and will do whatever.  Email me back at .

This is simply brazen. I would rather give up the camera than shoot under these conditions. (and from my images, maybe I should anyway!)

However, 14 on the runway, I have not issues with if that is what th
e cleint wants.

John

That was probably Chris Hansen.

JadeDRed wrote:
True, i dont see the problem with bumping old threads actually, as long as it still relevant.

You mean like this?

https://www.modelmayhem.com/po.php?thre … st16521716

Responding to a member that has been gone over a year?

The problem with bumps like this is that the bump post doesn't get responded to, just the same posts from page 1 & 2, where ½ the people aren't even here anymore, or aren't aware that this thread has gone zombie...