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Jon S Chen

Posts: 413

Irvine, California, US

any tips, suggestions, samples?

i have alienbee b400 and b800 and only umbrellas if that helps
oh and a huge silver/gold reflector

Jul 01 08 04:09 pm Link

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bidewell photography

Posts: 694

Terre Haute, Indiana, US

put the subject in the shade. use sun as backlight if poss. Use your AB to fill or use your reflector for fill, or both. If you can't get in shade, try using 1 reflector to create shade and another held for fill. That is if you have assistants or stands.

Jul 01 08 04:14 pm Link

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Jon S Chen

Posts: 413

Irvine, California, US

bump
any pics?

Jul 01 08 04:56 pm Link

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eRwin

Posts: 202

San Francisco, California, US

My shots with Kristie and Shaye were shot at bright mid-day. See link for photos/description:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/ermeister/

Jul 01 08 05:22 pm Link

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Stephen Fletcher

Posts: 7501

Norman, Oklahoma, US

Practice, practice, practice.

Jul 01 08 05:45 pm Link

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Jon S Chen

Posts: 413

Irvine, California, US

Stephen Fletcher wrote:
Practice, practice, practice.

PRACTICE!? what's this practice u speak of!?!? O.o
hehe =]

Jul 01 08 07:08 pm Link

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Marks Fine Art

Posts: 36001

Fort Smith, Arkansas, US

Jon S Chen wrote:
any tips, suggestions, samples?

i have alienbee b400 and b800 and only umbrellas if that helps
oh and a huge silver/gold reflector

Its best to shoot outdoors on overcast days. It's like having one big softbox.

Jul 01 08 07:13 pm Link

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Ron Rauto Photography

Posts: 499

Oceanside, California, US

shade. and reflect from outside of the shade.

Jul 01 08 07:13 pm Link

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Jon S Chen

Posts: 413

Irvine, California, US

Marks Fine Art wrote:
Its best to shoot outdoors on overcast days. It's like having one big softbox.

haha its never overcast here in the summer

Jul 01 08 07:16 pm Link

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Newcomb Photography

Posts: 728

Tampa, Florida, US

Time: Approximately 12:30 p.m.
Place: SoCal Desert
Equipment: Nikon D200, 50 mm f/1.8 with Circular Polarizer, 1 AB800.

Last weekend I took a new model to a location to test some concepts for a planned fashion shoot. I was hoping to do some "overpower the sun" type shots but the Sun rose too fast and was overhead by the time I got to the location and set up.

While its not what I was after, the model liked it so here it is:

https://photos.modelmayhem.com/photos/080630/02/48687c58cb841_m.jpg

Jul 01 08 07:52 pm Link

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Angelo Lorenzo Photo

Posts: 2094

Simi Valley, California, US

If you can't find shade in a good location, a large scrim on some c-stands can help with the shadows.

Jul 01 08 08:35 pm Link

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Scott A Miller photo

Posts: 5627

Orlando, Florida, US

Jon S Chen wrote:
any tips, suggestions, samples?

i have alienbee b400 and b800 and only umbrellas if that helps
oh and a huge silver/gold reflector

Shot in th middle of the day... don't use the umbrellas... just use your reflectors that came with the lights... set them at 30-45 degree angles. Over power the sky by a stop to stop and half...

and you get this:

https://modelmayhm-7.vo.llnwd.net/d1/photos/080611/19/485065937e34b.jpg

Jul 01 08 08:41 pm Link

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C h a r l e s D

Posts: 9312

Los Angeles, California, US

Stephen Fletcher wrote:
Practice, practice, practice.

yuppers.  only way.  only way.  shoot shoot shoot.  no other way.  I can set up my strobes in my house studio, either reflect them off the ceiling, or on the model, or back against the umbrellas.  I can place them closer or farther away, use one or two, and just by looking and guessing, since I've done it so many effing times, I don't even have to meter anymore.
If I have to take a model into the wild blue yonder, I'll go ahead of time and shoot round rocks as the sun hits them the same way.  Develop and see how they turn out.  Works the same with models.  Until the day comes and it's overcast.  But, I'm sure you've practiced for that, too, right?

Jul 01 08 08:42 pm Link

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ChanStudio - OtherSide

Posts: 5403

Alpharetta, Georgia, US

Jon S Chen wrote:
any tips, suggestions, samples?

i have alienbee b400 and b800 and only umbrellas if that helps
oh and a huge silver/gold reflector

Have same power as the sun or over power the sun. smile

Jul 01 08 08:44 pm Link

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R Michael Walker

Posts: 11987

Costa Mesa, California, US

Jon S Chen wrote:
bump
any pics?

Majority of my profile is images made in desert afternoon sun. i usually arive around noon and leave around 6PMish. I use a single Nikon SB800, a AB Ringligh with the vagabond 2 battery pack. i used to use reflectors but that takes an extra person and most models can't stand he brightness unless you use the white and it's not enough light for me.

18+
https://www.modelmayhem.com/pic.php?pic … id=7269314

https://www.modelmayhem.com/pic.php?pic … id=3964175

https://modelmayhm-7.vo.llnwd.net/d1/photos/070903/01/46dbadb0cbe28.jpg

Jul 01 08 08:46 pm Link

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Leonard Gee Photography

Posts: 18096

Sacramento, California, US

https://img4.modelmayhem.com/060520/01/446eb2bccc688.jpg

Jul 01 08 10:25 pm Link

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Leroy Dickson

Posts: 8239

Flint, Michigan, US

https://modelmayhm-4.vo.llnwd.net/d1/photos/080622/22/485f08fce9a33_m.jpg
Click to enlarge

Shot at near noon with two Sunpak 333 flashes. Just don't try to blow away the model with light, unless you're into that "over-powering the sun thing." Looks more natural if you keep the fill percentages on the low side though.

Jul 01 08 10:31 pm Link

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CGI Images

Posts: 4989

Wichita, Kansas, US

I've seen some nice results with people using really large skrims for shade, shoot under them and use flash for fill and accent.

Jul 01 08 10:38 pm Link

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190608

Posts: 2383

Los Angeles, California, US

If you have a light meter, take your ambient reading and power your strobes 2 stops from the ambient.

The sun should be behind model or to the side of the model.

This will give you the "over-powering" sun look that I think you are after with this post.

Best regards,

ronald n. tan
www.ronaldntan.com

Jon S Chen wrote:
any tips, suggestions, samples?

i have alienbee b400 and b800 and only umbrellas if that helps
oh and a huge silver/gold reflector

Jul 02 08 05:58 am Link

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Peace

Posts: 468

Dumont d'Urville - permanent station of France, Sector claimed by France, Antarctica

Some shots will ONLY work with midday sun. This shot, though not a "model" shot, would not have worked had not the direct overhead sun eliminated nearly all shadows in the narrow corridor. It also exaggerated the extreme texture of the weathered walls. (San Cristobal fortress, Old San Juan, Puerto Rico).
https://bp1.blogger.com/_VKwDSMmsQ0A/SFp0H9B6m-I/AAAAAAAAADM/G_DGJzb0SEw/s400/Parapet-at-San-Cristobal.jpg

Jul 02 08 09:28 am Link

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AcmeStudios

Posts: 4528

''any tips, suggestions, samples?''

Dont unless you have to...

Jul 02 08 09:29 am Link

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MartinImages

Posts: 3872

Los Angeles, California, US

Neil A wrote:
Some shots will ONLY work with midday sun. This shot, though not a "model" shot, would not have worked had not the direct overhead sun eliminated nearly all shadows in the narrow corridor. It also exaggerated the extreme texture of the weathered walls. (San Cristobal fortress, Old San Juan, Puerto Rico).
https://bp1.blogger.com/_VKwDSMmsQ0A/SFp0H9B6m-I/AAAAAAAAADM/G_DGJzb0SEw/s400/Parapet-at-San-Cristobal.jpg

The exact reason this worked for this lovely photo is why shooting a model at noon sucks.

"It also exaggerated the extreme texture of the weathered walls"  As it will exaggerate the texture of the model's skin...and any flaws she happens to have.

That's why you have to fill...or soften the very 'point source' sunlight with a big silk...to make the tiny source 'bigger' and more flattering. 

lots of good suggestions above on how to fill.  Sunlight is beautiful if you diffuse it or bounce it right...just takes a little gear and sometimes some extra hands.   So the fill ideas are probably a winner if you're shooting one on one. 

Random thoughts.

B

Jul 02 08 10:32 am Link

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Hipgnosis Dreams

Posts: 8943

Dallas, Texas, US

Jon S Chen wrote:
any tips, suggestions, samples?

i have alienbee b400 and b800 and only umbrellas if that helps
oh and a huge silver/gold reflector

Since no one asked...

What look are you going for?  Without knowing how you want the final image to look it is very difficult to offer advice.  Most of the responses here are clearly assuming you are shooting something flattering when you may very well not.

Are you going for harsh shadows and dramatic lighting or are you going for something softer?

Jul 02 08 10:40 am Link

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bidewell photography

Posts: 694

Terre Haute, Indiana, US

about half the shots in my port. The only outside shot that wasn't shot at mid day is the one titled Road to Ruin. that was late afternoon. All the other outdoor images were shot between 10 am and 3 pm.

Jul 02 08 02:14 pm Link

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Lee_Photography

Posts: 9863

Minneapolis, Minnesota, US

https://photos.modelmayhem.com/photos/080522/10/48357dc246fcc_m.jpg
Near noon, model in shade, two Canon 580 flash units one at camera and the other camera right about 1/2 stop stronger then the sun, when using lights outdoors invest in weigh to be used on light stand so it is not blown over by a gust of wind.

Jul 02 08 03:00 pm Link

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Archived

Posts: 13509

Phoenix, Arizona, US

in the studio, it doesn't matter if it's noon or 3am.

Jul 02 08 03:03 pm Link

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RichBruton

Posts: 327

New Smyrna Beach, Florida, US

I chose this shot to illustrate what a couple people (above) said ...

Use a semi-translucent disc (often the middle disc in a collapsible 5-in-1 reflector) as a SCRIM.  I prefer semi-translucent because it softens rather than block the sunlight.  You can also make a frame out of PVC pipe and buy rip-stop semi-translucent white nylon at a fabric store.

Put the SCRIM over the model to soften the light, then use a reflector (gold was used in this case) to fill the model evenly.

Works like a champ.

https://images28.fotki.com/v986/photos/7/710276/2710165/DSCF0871-vi.jpg

Jul 02 08 03:11 pm Link

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Shelby xoxo

Posts: 361

Toronto, Iowa, US

Direct sunlight 10am No scrim or reflectors
https://i61.photobucket.com/albums/h57/ShelbyWylde/Shelby/sw3808x.jpg

Afternoon in the tree shade using bootflash with GaryFong lightsphere
https://i61.photobucket.com/albums/h57/ShelbyWylde/Shelby/sw2358x.jpg

Jul 02 08 03:23 pm Link

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Archived

Posts: 13509

Phoenix, Arizona, US

RichBruton wrote:
I chose this shot to illustrate what a couple people (above) said ...

Use a semi-translucent disc (often the middle disc in a collapsible 5-in-1 reflector) as a SCRIM.  I prefer semi-translucent because it softens rather than block the sunlight.  You can also make a frame out of PVC pipe and buy rip-stop semi-translucent white nylon at a fabric store.

Put the SCRIM over the model to soften the light, then use a reflector (gold was used in this case) to fill the model evenly.

Works like a champ.

https://images28.fotki.com/v986/photos/7/710276/2710165/DSCF0871-vi.jpg

interesting shadow on the ground.

Jul 02 08 03:26 pm Link

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RichBruton

Posts: 327

New Smyrna Beach, Florida, US

Dave Wright Photo SF wrote:
interesting shadow on the ground.

again ... that's why I used this as an example ... so the OP could see what was going on.

You could use a larger scrim and have an even shading on the ground, or you could crop it out if you didn't like it.  I thought it was kinda cool, so I left the shot "as is"

Jul 02 08 03:30 pm Link

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Jon S Chen

Posts: 413

Irvine, California, US

sorry for not replying. been busy. im going for a glamour type of head shot. thanks for all those pics. so basicly use my relfector as shade. model behind sun or on side. got it! thanks!

Jul 02 08 03:30 pm Link