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The Art of Jon Paul

Posts: 41

New York, New York, US

Question ... in a studio with artificial light can you get the feel of a natural sunlight … even if to simulate it was coming through a window. I know out doors natural light is natural b/c of the all the reflected (warm) ambient light bouncing back into the subject. As an artist I always wanted to attempt to use artificial light (strobes) and make it as close as possible that the viewer thinks it is natural sunlight. Is it possible? It's a project I want to try. Any samples posted would be great. I'm very curious.

Also what gels, any suggestions??

Jon

Jul 02 08 12:00 pm Link

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Hipgnosis Dreams

Posts: 8943

Dallas, Texas, US

Straw is a pretty popular gel color for creating that.

Jul 02 08 12:02 pm Link

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Leroy Dickson

Posts: 8239

Flint, Michigan, US

Think about your light sources outside.

One, you have a bright source which is pretty harsh and directional - the sun.

Secondly, you have a secondary (fill) source that wraps from above - the reflectivity of the sky. It's a failry low fill ratio on clear days. Fill ratio goes up as cloud cover collects.

Window light:

Directly lit is directional.

North facing (North hemisphere) is very soft and diffused, but somewhat directional.

It's not really rocket science. You've only got to think about what you want to simulate and then choose the appropriate modifiers to do it with.

Jul 02 08 12:08 pm Link

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CS Art photography

Posts: 717

Ocala, Florida, US

You may also try a 1/4 CTO filter or you can try to bounce some flash of a gold reflector.

Jul 02 08 12:10 pm Link

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Worlds Of Water

Posts: 37732

Rancho Cucamonga, California, US

The Art of Jon Paul wrote:
I know out doors natural light is natural b/c of the all the reflected (warm) ambient light bouncing back into the subject.

So true!... In 'the golden hour' of sunset on Southern California beaches (usually 7-8pm during summer)... it's pretty much impossible to duplicate the light coming from a softbox as big as THE SKY... wink

https://mayhem-photos.s3.amazonaws.com/070507/12/463f58a1425df.jpg

Jul 02 08 12:19 pm Link

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Ultimate Dream

Posts: 860

London, England, United Kingdom

you wana check out the images of Gavin O' Neil, he is good at making studio shots look like location shoots.
check out the nude section

http://www.gavinoneill.com/engine/SID/10.htm

Jul 02 08 12:29 pm Link

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Robert Randall

Posts: 13890

Chicago, Illinois, US

Select Models wrote:

So true!... In 'the golden hour' of sunset on Southern California beaches (usually 7-8pm during summer)... it's pretty much impossible to duplicate the light coming from a softbox as big as THE SKY... wink

https://mayhem-photos.s3.amazonaws.com/070507/12/463f58a1425df.jpg

Not if you're shooting in a room thats been painted the color of the sky at about 7000 degrees Kelvin with soft boxes bounced into it from behind the camera, and you're using a Desisti 4800 WS strobe head with a 1/2 straw filter over it for a main.

And the DEGREES Kelvin thing. Just shut up, I won that argument 6 months ago.

Jul 02 08 12:39 pm Link

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Andrew Attah

Posts: 1699

London, England, United Kingdom

Select Models wrote:
So true!... In 'the golden hour' of sunset on Southern California beaches (usually 7-8pm during summer)... it's pretty much impossible to duplicate the light coming from a softbox as big as THE SKY... wink

https://mayhem-photos.s3.amazonaws.com/070507/12/463f58a1425df.jpg

Sunlight that makes the edges of the skin go insanely orange...  No, I guess that's not possible in a studio environment.

Jul 02 08 12:43 pm Link

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Natalia Eiras

Posts: 885

Red Bank, New Jersey, US

NSE Films wrote:

Sunlight that makes the edges of the skin go insanely orange...  No, I guess that's not possible in a studio environment.

big_smile hehe

Jul 02 08 12:55 pm Link

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Worlds Of Water

Posts: 37732

Rancho Cucamonga, California, US

NSE Films wrote:

Sunlight that makes the edges of the skin go insanely orange...  No, I guess that's not possible in a studio environment.

Ah yes... studio environments... we love those too... but then you're talkin a whole different lighting ballgame... lol

https://img9.modelmayhem.com/070701/23/46887f26ef221.jpg

Jul 02 08 12:59 pm Link

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Worlds Of Water

Posts: 37732

Rancho Cucamonga, California, US

Kevlar Vest Girl wrote:
And the DEGREES Kelvin thing. Just shut up, I won that argument 6 months ago.

Dude... nobody argues on MM... they just express 'differences in opinion'... lol

Jul 02 08 01:03 pm Link

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Ken Nash

Posts: 184

Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada

Try starting with a bare flash tube (no reflector) and placing a reflector panel about 3 feet away from it as your light source. The natural refection from the studio surfaces should do the rest. If your studio is unusually large or small you can add white reflectors to build the light or black panels to subtract the light. Hope that helps.

Jul 02 08 01:26 pm Link

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criderphotography

Posts: 239

Fairfax, Virginia, US

This was done in studio. Bare bulb is the key to sharp shadows like you'd see outside. I could have used a gel to warm things up, but since I only used one light, I opted to adjust the color temp in CS3.

https://modelmayhm-5.vo.llnwd.net/d1/photos/080510/16/482609c7b54ae.jpg

Greg

Jul 02 08 04:47 pm Link

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The Art of Jon Paul

Posts: 41

New York, New York, US

I want thank all you guys for your responses... very helpful ... greatly appreciated!

JP

Jul 02 08 08:18 pm Link

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Alex MacPherson

Posts: 840

Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada

Anyone have any tips for simulating BRIGHT sunlight (like noonday) with strobe?

https://www.calikartel.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/05/solvesundsbo01.jpg

Sep 24 08 11:30 pm Link

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Ultimate Dream

Posts: 860

London, England, United Kingdom

i was thinking the same thing few day ago, so i decided to experiment with two canon 580ex flashguns in my passage way

https://a186.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/76/l_9427cca679027cfb6800a5060739ead9.jpg

Sep 24 08 11:48 pm Link

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Alex MacPherson

Posts: 840

Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada

Anyone have any tips for simulating BRIGHT sunlight (like noonday) with strobe?
https://www.calikartel.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/05/solvesundsbo01.jpg

Sep 25 08 12:22 pm Link

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Pelle Piano

Posts: 2312

Stockholm, Stockholm, Sweden

This is a composite. Girl shot in my living room with a flash thru a big sheet.

https://www.pellepiano.com/studiobild/images/imagef21.jpg

And another composite.

https://www.pellepiano.com/studiobild/images/imagec3.jpg

Sep 25 08 12:52 pm Link

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Craig Staples

Posts: 261

Toronto, Ontario, Canada

what equipment do you have at your disposal?. That might help us figure out what you can do to achieve that look.

Sep 25 08 12:57 pm Link

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Bruno Vitanza

Posts: 168

London, England, United Kingdom

pellepiano wrote:
This is a composite. Girl shot in my living room with a flash thru a big sheet.

Great colour match

Sep 25 08 01:02 pm Link

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Alex MacPherson

Posts: 840

Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada

Craig Staples wrote:
what equipment do you have at your disposal?. That might help us figure out what you can do to achieve that look.

I have Hensel Integra 500W monolights at my disposal (up to 4 heads). A few reflectors, a beauty dish, and a 5ft Norman Octabank. I will rent whatever I need though.

Sep 25 08 01:49 pm Link

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Worlds Of Water

Posts: 37732

Rancho Cucamonga, California, US

Robert Randall wrote:
And the DEGREES Kelvin thing. Just shut up, I won that argument 6 months ago.

You won no argument as there was none (if so, post it to prove your point)... and Kelvin has no degree... he's an uneducated homeless vagabond... lol

Sep 25 08 03:03 pm Link

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Sing Lo Photography

Posts: 58

London, England, United Kingdom

Dolce Moda Photography wrote:
Anyone have any tips for simulating BRIGHT sunlight (like noonday) with strobe?
https://www.calikartel.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/05/solvesundsbo01.jpg

Large fresnel spot (12"-14") for strobe. I use Elinchrom 14" fresnel to mimic hard sunlight.
Broncolor makes similar fresnel using a very similar fresnel lens (probably identical lens) as Elinchrom.

Those examples of photos you posted are likely done by HMI fresnel or real sunlight using an outdoor background set.


If you can't afford fresnel for strobe(very expensive), use bare flash at a large distance from the subject or large parabolic reflector with silver interiors. Different manufactures make such reflectors: Profoto Magnum reflector, Bowens Sunlight reflector (white interior) or  Elinchrom high performance reflector.

Sep 25 08 06:27 pm Link

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Patrick Shipstad

Posts: 4630

Burbank, California, US

Dolce Moda Photography wrote:
Anyone have any tips for simulating BRIGHT sunlight (like noonday) with strobe?
https://www.calikartel.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/05/solvesundsbo01.jpg

I was totally running out of sunlight, I mean by the seconds when I took this shot, as you can see by the graduated light at the bottom of the photo.
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https://www.modelmayhem.com/pic.php?pic … id=8375325

So then the sun went behind the trees so I quickly set up one strobe, bare bulb up high on a stand to get this
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https://www.modelmayhem.com/pic.php?pic … id=8320993

Neither are perfect by any means, but both shots (natural light and then strobe) were literally put together and shot within 5 minutes.

Next time I won't wait for the (literally) last minute of sun, I'll use a white paper bg instead of a flippin' sheet and I'm sure the results will be much better.

This was done at about 2pm, bright unfiltered sun against white and I thought it turned out lovely.

https://www.modelmayhem.com/pic.php?pic … id=8216255

Just a thought. :-)

Sep 25 08 06:38 pm Link