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Maxim V

Posts: 224

Charlotte, North Carolina, US

Does anyone use ring flashes like Sigma EM-140 DG or Sunpak's DX12R for people photography? Please post photo examples and experiences.

I understand they are intended for macro, but I have spoken with several great photographers who have used them for other things as well, as per guide number. Currently I use something large and custom built (continuous source), but would like a smaller, mobile unit that is affordable and can sync with the shutter. Note: I am not looking for Profoto suggestions.

Many thanks.

Maxim

Mar 04 06 03:28 pm Link

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Michael R Kihn Studios

Posts: 2559

Erie, Pennsylvania, US

Yes I sometimes use the sigma 140 on people, but you definitly have to watch your distance when using ring lights. Major redeye if model is looking at toward the camera
even a little bit at the wrong distance.
I wish the sigma 140 had a A setting instead of TTL and 1/4 -1/2 and full.
It would be easier to use it more 
It doest work great for macro stuff but I don't shoot models that close up.

Mar 04 06 05:08 pm Link

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former_mm_user

Posts: 5521

New York, New York, US

sunpak 12r, from an oblique angle:

https://www.christopherbush.com/adiamond2.jpg

the chopstick shot in my port is another example of the 12r.

Mar 04 06 05:16 pm Link

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Maxim V

Posts: 224

Charlotte, North Carolina, US

Michael R  Kihn Studios wrote:
Yes I sometimes use the sigma 140 on people, but you definitly have to watch your distance when using ring lights. Major redeye if model is looking at toward the camera
even a little bit at the wrong distance.
I wish the sigma 140 had a A setting instead of TTL and 1/4 -1/2 and full.
It would be easier to use it more 
It doest work great for macro stuff but I don't shoot models that close up.

Michael, do you have examples?

Mar 04 06 05:32 pm Link

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Maxim V

Posts: 224

Charlotte, North Carolina, US

Christopher,

I like the chopstick image in your port. That is very similar to the quality of light I am seeking. Is there a way to avoid the outline shadow of the subject with 12R?

Here's an example I shot with a continuous source ring light, which is too large to drag around. The shadows are very diffused.

https://img1.modelmayhem.com/060218/23/43f7fef7a48f8.jpg

Mar 04 06 05:35 pm Link

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former_mm_user

Posts: 5521

New York, New York, US

Maxim wrote:
Christopher,

I like the chopstick image in your port. That is very similar to the quality of light I am seeking. Is there a way to avoid the outline shadow of the subject with 12R?

the 'halo' is determined by the distances involved (subject-to-flash, subject-to-background).  the modeling light in the 12r is very useful for previewing the shadow or lack of shadow.  the reflectivity of the background also plays a big part.

Mar 04 06 05:50 pm Link

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Maxim V

Posts: 224

Charlotte, North Carolina, US

Christopher Bush wrote:

the 'halo' is determined by the distances involved (subject-to-flash, subject-to-background).  the modeling light in the 12r is very useful for previewing the shadow or lack of shadow.  the reflectivity of the background also plays a big part.

That's what I thought. Thanks, Christopher!

Mar 04 06 05:51 pm Link

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Michael R Kihn Studios

Posts: 2559

Erie, Pennsylvania, US

Maxim wrote:

Michael, do you have examples?

Yea I do but I haven't learn how to be able to put them in forums  message box

sorry I tried

Mar 04 06 06:06 pm Link

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Maxim V

Posts: 224

Charlotte, North Carolina, US

Michael R  Kihn Studios wrote:
Yea I do but I haven't learn how to be able to put them in forums  message box

sorry I tried

Michael,

[*img]http://YOUR_URL_HERE[*/img] displays an image. Remove the *'s.

Give it a try.

Mar 04 06 07:03 pm Link

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Nathan Appel

Posts: 614

Pismo Beach, California, US

https://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e181/nathanappel/natweb.jpg
Sunpak DX12r..... on low setting

Mar 04 06 08:44 pm Link

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Chip Willis

Posts: 1780

Columbus, Georgia, US

Here is an old one I did with the sunpak, this is like 2000 or so. Pentax 6x7 105 f2.4 Standard lens, Tri X. I forget the aperture, but the flash sync on the pentax is 30th of a sec.

[https://www.chipwillis.com/images/25.jpg

Mar 04 06 09:07 pm Link

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Maxim V

Posts: 224

Charlotte, North Carolina, US

Chip, you've convinced me, mate. I think I'm going with Sunpak.

Mar 04 06 09:48 pm Link

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creagency

Posts: 114

Englewood, New Jersey, US

I'll tell you has consistent great examples of ringlight work - that impressed me anyway, is istoica.  They really seem to experiment a lot and get the most out of it in varying ways. 

theirs is a profoto

https://modelmayhem.com/pics.php?id=65306

Mar 05 06 07:56 pm Link

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Steven Bigler

Posts: 1007

Schenectady, New York, US

The Halo effect is not exactly the light to subject factor as others suggest... it is the size of the light vs subject.

All the small rings are smaller than the body (or head) of the subjects... so the shadow is OUTWARD of the subject... with that large constant light is used... the same shadow is there... but it is INWARD of the subject... that is it is BEHIND the subject, smaller and unseen.

As well if you dont want the shadow... just pop a strobe on the background.

Mar 05 06 11:22 pm Link

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Trobee Photography

Posts: 68

Memphis, Tennessee, US

Mar 06 06 10:14 pm Link

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Maxim V

Posts: 224

Charlotte, North Carolina, US

Memphis Photography wrote:
Hensel ringflash

Not looking for expensive solutions.
I'm a student.

Mar 07 06 10:47 am Link

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Hoodlum

Posts: 10254

Sacramento, California, US

Sunpak DX12R
https://img.photobucket.com/albums/0803/danhood/fashion%20photos/mary02.jpg


Not a huge fan of them but for some things are cool. I do like it for fill light when they are wearing a baseball cap.

https://img.photobucket.com/albums/0803/danhood/odd%20stuff/05.jpg

Mar 07 06 11:03 am Link

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Craig A McKenzie

Posts: 1767

Marine City, Michigan, US

Ok...whats the distance from camera to subject in these shots? Not more than 12' with the sunpak?

Mar 23 06 02:00 pm Link

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SFlickPhoto

Posts: 153

Cincinnati, Ohio, US

Maxim wrote:
Does anyone use ring flashes like Sigma EM-140 DG or Sunpak's DX12R for people photography? Please post photo examples and experiences.

I understand they are intended for macro, but I have spoken with several great photographers who have used them for other things as well, as per guide number. Currently I use something large and custom built (continuous source), but would like a smaller, mobile unit that is affordable and can sync with the shutter. Note: I am not looking for Profoto suggestions.

Many thanks.

Maxim

was really popular for fashion photography a decade or so ago.  I am sure I know of an example or two, but can't think off hand.

Mar 23 06 02:07 pm Link

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dax

Posts: 1015

Stockholm, Stockholm, Sweden

I was also looking for this.. LOL I have seen the profoto... but dont feel like paying that much.. if i ever needed that much power i would just rent it.. but i want to buy one to play with!

Thanks for the input ppl!

Mar 23 06 04:33 pm Link

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Saybian Tv

Posts: 14

Vancouver, Washington, US

With ringflash photography its rare the ringflash is the key lightsource. Its purpose is to fill out the darks with ambience. Unless of course your doing the Hey everyone I got a ringflash photos check out my shadows. I do admit that I tend to like the shadowing it gives when i have models placed hard against a wall but want to lift my blacks.

    The Sunpak is the absolute best way to go. You would be amazed how viseral and glamour it can make things like event photography. I use mine most at events and fashion shows. nothing like 99% of photographers using the same on camera boring and I walk in with the blammer.    Mofos always wish they had one when u got one thats mobile.

Mar 23 06 07:12 pm Link

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ImpactFoto

Posts: 457

San Diego, California, US

Maxim wrote:
Christopher,

I like the chopstick image in your port. That is very similar to the quality of light I am seeking. Is there a way to avoid the outline shadow of the subject with 12R?

Here's an example I shot with a continuous source ring light, which is too large to drag around. The shadows are very diffused.

https://img1.modelmayhem.com/060218/23/43f7fef7a48f8.jpg

Nice images...  one GREAT thing about the continuous lighting is you'll NEVER get Red-Eye!  : D

-Thomas-

Mar 23 06 07:18 pm Link

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Chip Willis

Posts: 1780

Columbus, Georgia, US

SFlickPhoto wrote:

was really popular for fashion photography a decade or so ago.  I am sure I know of an example or two, but can't think off hand.

Ringlights are still very popular. The best usage is non obvious most of the time, unless you are good at distinguishing. Fill light.

I just picked up the Canon MR-14Ex. So far works great. The reason I went this route, is it also can control remoted 580Ex flashes, which I use for some location work. Cant wait til its warm out to do some stuff with high speed shutter.

So far, it works well.

chip

Mar 24 06 12:08 am Link

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dax

Posts: 1015

Stockholm, Stockholm, Sweden

Chip Willis wrote:
Cant wait til its warm out to do some stuff with high speed shutter.
chip

Jesus.. it was mid 70's here.. =P and has been for a few weeks! big_smile

Mar 24 06 01:09 am Link