BCI Photo wrote:
Cris, look at your stats...

Height:     5' 7"
Weight:     155 lbs
Measurements:     36-27-45

Compare them to models that are successful in the mainstream.
Tell me, where do you see yourself going?
Models with those stats have paysites, they do nudes and suggestive nudes, a LOT of it no matter how tacky it is and them booty mags, car shows, etc...
Unless you're sitting on some top notch acting talent that needs a tweek of refinement, where do you see yourself going????

Seriously, you really need to answer that question not for me, but for yourself.

Where do you see your career going with working with film? Compared to many photographers who have changed to digital?
Compared to many photographers that are successful in mainstream. Where do you see yourself going when everyone else shoots digital...
Film dont go very far now a days....get with technology
Where do you see your self going because I havent seen anything youve done very exciting due to what you have...

Dont tell me what the fuck I can and cannot due...just sound another *a**hole*...


Dont  tell me I am not going to be success because of the way I am shaped...did you tell miss Tiara that her photos you took dnt mean nothing because you think that she is nothing good for but being an ASS model or s site model...????

OR she is the exception too what is EXCEPTABLE to your and your World ....


Really you disgust me....you basically telling me to think about me doin nothing more than what you REALLY wanna say I am good for....Sicko

BCI Photo wrote:
I would suggest you find a photog that's used to working with new models, because we know how to get the right poses out of you as opposed to just clicking away and hoping we catch a winner (which is a problem with photogs with digital cams, not all, but enough do that). Photographers that started off doing film are good at giving direction because each shot costs money, and we don't like to waste money.

Ain't that the truth. We ain't wasting film NOR memory on our hard drives. LOL

CristinaLex wrote:

no because he didnt mention shooting with film and any one I have shot with shoots with a digital cam.....so thats his way of doing things and I have mine...

Sidebar question:

Are you saying that you'll only shoot with guys that shoot with digital cameras?

Just a question... don't tear my head off, please.

VRG Photography wrote:

Sidebar question:

Are you saying that you'll only shoot with guys that shoot with digital cameras?

Just a question... don't tear my head off, please.

No......thats not what I am saying....he implying that thats all what I am good for, Since I am contemplating doing artistic nude...but thanks to BCI i should just grab some thongs and do glamour ....cause he obviously stated what i am good and not good for....


but I am not tearing your head off ...I have no problem with film or digital.......Hes catorgorizing me...so I thought Id catergorize them

CristinaLex wrote:

Where do you see your career going with working with film? Compared to many photographers who have changed to digital?
Compared to many photographers that are successful in mainstream. Where do you see yourself going when everyone else shoots digital...
Film dont go very far now a days....get with technology
Where do you see your self going because I havent seen anything youve done very exciting due to what you have...

Dont tell me what the fuck I can and cannot due...just sound another *a**hole*...


Dont  tell me I am not going to be success because of the way I am shaped...did you tell miss Tiara that her photos you took dnt mean nothing because you think that she is nothing good for but being an ASS model or s site model...????

OR she is the exception too what is EXCEPTABLE to your and your World ....


Really you disgust me....you basically telling me to think about me doin nothing more than what you REALLY wanna say I am good for....Sicko

Awww, the lil baby all huffy and puffy because she can't face the reality of her situation. It'll be alright lil missy, it'll be alright. You need to stop making this so personal, because all this flying off the handle stuff over simple questions that you're doing isn't helping you not one bit.

But for your info, I have done the digital thingy and found myself becoming like most digital photographers, shooting 300 shots and only coming away with maybe 20 useable ones simply because each shot cost me nary a penny. Then one day I woke up and said "you know, this shit is kinda pointless. Unless I have a paysite or just shooting to post pics on the web, what the fuck am I shooting digital for?" Plus the agency that I was working with at the time PREFERRED my film work over my digital work. Why? Because I was more CAREFUL with my film work, seeing how each shot cost me money. Now, when I went through a couple of personal tragedies in 2002, I sold most of my equipment, digital cam included, moved up to Ohio (I was living in ATL then, and doing QUITE well) and shut myself in, wasn't even looking to do photography ever again. But it's like Mike Jordan retiring before his time, I had to come back.

I LOVE to shoot film, and i'm very selective about who I choose to shoot now. I'm no longer one of those "Austin Powers" photographers where my name has to be on everyones lips. Fame is fleeting, whereas fortune managed correctly lasts a mighty long time. Trust, if I wanted to be "Mr Limelight" like I used to be, I can do it in a heartbeat with a few simple phone calls but that's not what I want. I'm actually ENJOYING my peacefulness. You have no idea how NICE it is for me to NOT have my phone ringing off the hook at all hours of the day and night, modles showing up whenever they feel like it uninvited to cry their eyes out about some horrible casting call or problems with their boy/girlfriend... Well, that still happens, but not like it used to, or to be surrounded with fake friend wanna be's who just simply want a piece of your pie. I now go by my own deadlines and make my own rules and live mainly stress free. Took three deaths in a short span for me to see that. Anybody that knows me will tell you that I won't lie to you, I tell it like it T-I-tis whether you like it or not. Just part of being a "bottom line/get it done at all costs" guy. I told you before, don't let my location fool you.

If making you see the truth about yourself makes me sound like an asshole or sicko, then i'll be that asshole and sicko. BTW, learn to calm the hell down, willya? You're so blinded with unnecessary rage that it's screwing up your spelling and sentence structure. I'd hate to be the casting director that turns you down, you might start throwing shoes and shit. lol

Concerning Tiara, I told her she was going to be VERY successful in her career, because she came into this business with a plan, a STRONG plan. And I sat back and watched her work that plan to perfection. Everything she's doing now was part of her plan when I shot her, which was back when I was doing a lot of glamour photography. Don't care if my port doesn't move you, it's not for you. Maybe you didn't read it, but it's for those that are tired of every photog that contacts them or vice versa to take their clothes off. Like I said earlier, you haven't seen my full arsenal. So hey whatevers clever, Miss Trevor. lol

And the question still stands. with your hieght, weight and measurements, where do you see yourself fitting in? Why is that such a hard question to answer?

Taray Jennings wrote:
Cris, why did you get into this conversation anyway? Reading your posts, one would think that there is some pain involved about being a two hour glass instead of a one hour glass. And where ever you have an open wound you will find those who would rub salt into it.
May I direct your path to this SUPERMODEL. Alex Wek, who would not have even been able to think about modeling if this were 1950.

http://www.seekover.com/fashion/fashion … ek_wek.htm

Today she is at the top her game. This is your world lady, don’t let others define you, define yourself. If you believe yourself to be a beautiful, full figured black women with style and grace then who the fuck are we to argue with you. If your attitude is all about that we will feel it too and agree or disagree. Find photographers who agree and work with them. Lose the rest. Be happy with your beauty and your shape. I’m sure many others are.

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BCI Photo wrote:
You need to stop making this so personal, because all this flying off the handle stuff over simple questions that you're doing isn't helping you not one bit.


And the question still stands. with your hieght, weight and measurements, where do you see yourself fitting in? Why is that such a hard question to answer?

uhh, who's making it personal?  I see "you" or "your" 3 times in the question.  you couldn't get more personal unless you address her by name.



when you speak to an individual about that individual's body (or body of work), *you* make it personal.  also, it's not a "simple question" you ask, but a rhetorical one, full of implications.  a rhetorical question like this one carries its own implied answer.  there's no need to answer it.  you already have.  again, making it personal.

mr. wizard wrote:




uhh, who's making it personal?  I see "you" or "your" 3 times in the question.  you couldn't get more personal unless you address her by name.



when you speak to an individual about that individual's body (or body of work), *you* make it personal.  also, it's not a "simple question" you ask, but a rhetorical one, full of implications.  a rhetorical question like this one carries its own implied answer.  there's no need to answer it.  you already have.  again, making it personal.

**I feel really bad for hijacking this persons thread***

I mean he made it real personal to me when he wanted to copy and paste my meaurements and as what do I think I can do with all that...Like Saying I dont know what you expect yourself to get far with with a body like that...its nothing good for only for glamour...


and as far I asnsswering you question I did answer It you should read back...I said I will take my body any where in the industry that will gladly accept me...You havent seen me in person, and what not might not be right for YOU would definetly be right for an agency to sign me .....

And as far as having I plan I do ahve a set plan, I know what I am going to do with ALL MY MEASURMENTS....

CristinaLex wrote:

**I feel really bad for hijacking this persons thread***

I mean he made it real personal to me when he wanted to copy and paste my meaurements and as what do I think I can do with all that...Like Saying I dont know what you expect yourself to get far with with a body like that...its nothing good for only for glamour...


and as far I asnsswering you question I did answer It you should read back...I said I will take my body any where in the industry that will gladly accept me...You havent seen me in person, and what not might not be right for YOU would definetly be right for an agency to sign me .....

And as far as having I plan I do ahve a set plan, I know what I am going to do with ALL MY MEASURMENTS....

Then do it and stop crying about everybody else and what you will and won't do. Be a woman of action, not words.
Do you see any models of high status on message boards whining about petty things? Of course not, they're busy getting their hustle on, out there working, doing what they have to do to get their paper stacked. This is a form of entertainment for me, and for the most part this stuff makes me laugh like i'm watching Richard Pryor.

But gone do ya thang boo boo, the streets is watchin. *wink*

BCI Photo wrote:
Plus Cristina in your area there's a certain photographer who blew up shooting college girls half nude with tit slips and sneak crotch shots and promising this and that, only to sell them down the river.

I wonder if it's a photographer I've heard of (in the Baltimore area?)?  Is he on Model Mayhem?

Tikeya wrote:

I wonder if it's a photographer I've heard of (in the Baltimore area?)?  Is he on Model Mayhem?

'No its a photographer in Richmond VA if you want more information on him I can let you know whats up.. a friend or two got burned by him ....

images by elahi wrote:
the Cristina saga continues

lol

aint no saga ....BCI was right..there is a photographer here in the local area that is really making money off of titty slips, changing room vidoes and what not..and the girls dont know....I want any model in the area where I am to know abou thim...for safety

CristinaLex wrote:

lol

aint no saga ....BCI was right..there is a photographer here in the local area that is really making money off of titty slips, changing room vidoes and what not..and the girls dont know....I want any model in the area where I am to know abou thim...for safety

I do website photography as well, but I don't run my thing like that...it's poor business.  I would rather be able to work with a model over and over again.... and the guy that you speak of is often between Richmond and DC.

Tikeya wrote:

I wonder if it's a photographer I've heard of (in the Baltimore area?)?  Is he on Model Mayhem?

please explain the mentality of a "model" who would fall for such bull shit in the first place

images by elahi wrote:

please explain the mentality of a "model" who would fall for such bull shit in the first place

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a young college girl who is told she has the right look to be a model..then is swayed to take the "test shoots" that look damn good to be "test shots", and is then video taped while dancing during the shoot and such....then is told that he will call her again for another shoot but in reality he wont because he will find others who he can prey off to up the ante on his website..

**this is the same guy that did that video of Brittany from college Hill** yea thats him...


and face off...I AM going to call you when I getta outta work I do wanna work oout a way to see if we can get together this weekend...yesturday was a slightly bad day.. I DIDNT GET MY DIRECT DEPOSIT CHECK ARGHHHH

UnSeenYou wrote:
I'd love to have black subjects for my art photography, but our women are very up-tight about their bodies OR they are just the opposite, and too few are in the middle.

Well let's take a gander at why exactly that is. . .
Every man looking has an opinion on what is "perfect" or even desirable about the female form.  When you have the Key Toi's, Melyssa Ford's, White Chocolate's and Buffie the Body's out there . . .an often "unrealistic" standard comes into play about what is deemed "dadamn" beautiful about the Black Woman's body.  Any man that thinks Buffie's ass is realistic needs a reality check.  That's how they make a name for themselves. . .they have something that's unique.  An abnormally sized, disproportionate, ass. 

Sidenote: There is actually a website out (http://www.assmatrix.com/types.htm)that is explaining the difference between "Thick" and "Fat".  Who made him an "authority" (because there is no doubt in my mind that it is indeed a male that posted the site, and he thinks he's an authority on the subject of physique) has yet to be revealed.

Then add in the music video.  Clearly not geared toward a female audience, chocked full of asses in thongs and giggly rears parading about enjoying their 10 minutes of fame.  What you don't have bombarded at you are virtuous, classy, artistic displays of nude AA women for men to glorify.  Sure there are books, but (pardon my french) Niggas don't read.  They watch tv.  What are they watching on tv??  Key Toi, Melyssa Ford, Buffie the Body. . .They're even affectionately called video hoes.  The black male's video hoe is the equivalent of the white male's playboy pin-up (i.e. an object. . .no longer a woman, but an object/plaything/something to wack off to).

So after dealing with that reality. . .some guy that's a photographer comes to you and wants to take nekkid pictures of you.  He says they'll be artistic.  But that's so relative a term Playboy uses it to describe their magazine.  Given that, would you really be jumping up and down at the next opportunity for possible exploitation??  I think not.

To do that kind of work, you have to
1-have an appreciation for it (most AA women, and men for that matter, do not), 2-know what true "art" is (and not too many people AA or otherwise know do), and most importantly
3-have the desire to do that type of work.  It isn't something that someone can "convince" you to do unless they're waiving $$'s at you. . .which everyone seems to have mixed feelings about. 


If/when you go to a gallery or art museum, how many AA's do you see there???  When I go, I'm the only one!  I think that's the root cause of all the shortage, coupled with the fact that there's just fewer of us (AA's) in the industry period than Caucasians.

My two cents for the day.

Taray Jennings wrote:
Crazy!

yep...lol

Electra T wrote:
I think that people should be honest with themselves. If you aren't a size 2-6 then you can't be a fashion model at a big agency. I think that these terms have become really skewed because of the internet. Everyone outside or 2-6 feels like they can call themselves a plus-sized model but its not the case...Plus models still have the same height and measurement requirements. There is nothing wrong with Urban glamour and if that's where you fit well congrats its better than nothing and for some people there is nothing. I mean, I'm not an agency...so I don't know who can do what, but I think people should be honest with themselves go on Fords site and say to themselves "Do I FIT IN here?"

Definetly agree with what you say Electra, but there are many models who are ethnic, and do do the glamour thing but dont wanna be stuck in that caterogy, they wanna be outside the box like myself, I feel that I can do more than glamour, I am being honest with myself...(i am not directing this towards you )...


I see a lot of other glamour models on this site that they look as if they need and could push for more outside that urban glamour box..because to be serious urban glmaour doesnt keep your career alive, especially if your not the interested in being a model running to every video casting and also just being in the back ground...every glamour model has their short minutes of fame...buffie still buzzin but not as hard as when she first came out, ki toy had her turn, and Melyssa is done and is now trying to become an actress...so i heard..Yea it better than nothing, but for those who can take that something further outside of that , I think they should give it a go..../because especially in the urban glamour market, niggas are always gonnna see the "next best thing" and then your no longer in the lime light

CristinaLex wrote:

Definetly agree with what you say Electra, but there are many models who are ethnic, and do do the glamour thing but dont wanna be stuck in that caterogy, they wanna be outside the box like myself, I feel that I can do more than glamour, I am being honest with myself...(i am not directing this towards you )...


I see a lot of other glamour models on this site that they look as if they need and could push for more outside that urban glamour box..because to be serious urban glmaour doesnt keep your career alive, especially if your not the interested in being a model running to every video casting and also just being in the back ground...every glamour model has their short minutes of fame...buffie still buzzin but not as hard as when she first came out, ki toy had her turn, and Melyssa is done and is now trying to become an actress...so i heard..Yea it better than nothing, but for those who can take that something further outside of that , I think they should give it a go..../because especially in the urban glamour market, niggas are always gonnna see the "next best thing" and then your no longer in the lime light

I don't have the face for urban glamour(too cutesy and youthy) neither do I have the body for it. I'm plus but I'm not "thick"...I've noticed Lex, that throughout this thread(i actually read the whole thing) you haven't really voiced what it is that you want to do. What's your main goal? Posters have spoken about this model Tiara, having a strong plan..What's yours? Do you wanna get signed to a NYC..you seem to have very big goals which is good but know solid plan in terms of how to get there. I'm not attacking you, I'm just trying to get an idea.

CristinaLex wrote:

Definetly agree with what you say Electra, but there are many models who are ethnic, and do do the glamour thing but dont wanna be stuck in that caterogy, they wanna be outside the box like myself, I feel that I can do more than glamour, I am being honest with myself...(i am not directing this towards you )...


I see a lot of other glamour models on this site that they look as if they need and could push for more outside that urban glamour box..because to be serious urban glmaour doesnt keep your career alive, especially if your not the interested in being a model running to every video casting and also just being in the back ground...every glamour model has their short minutes of fame...buffie still buzzin but not as hard as when she first came out, ki toy had her turn, and Melyssa is done and is now trying to become an actress...so i heard..Yea it better than nothing, but for those who can take that something further outside of that , I think they should give it a go..../because especially in the urban glamour market, niggas are always gonnna see the "next best thing" and then your no longer in the lime light

KiToy was focused on a TV project that might make it to the TV... Melyssa, we all know is on TV every other night, Apple Bottoms, ECT...She actually is rumored to have a Playboy layout to come out this year sometime...  Buffie just put out her DVD this week, so that Is more more for her. She host parties around the country for 3,000 bucks a gig.  Gloria Velez is 5,000 bucks (not a black model, but Urban none the less)

It is just about creating opportunity...everyone starts at the bottom and works their way up! Just be smart!

CristinaLex wrote:
but truthfully while there would be some black models who would apply or give thier count, there would be more white models over the black models..thats what I predict..could be wrong we could all be surprised but....

You're probably right, but I can't worry about that sort of thing -- If I did I'd get no work done. 

The irony is that black models [of all sizes] would make tons of money doing fetish/nude/erotic work [which nas nothing to do with "thong" shots].  But they won't do it because of the myriad of issues various posters have mentioned in this thread.

Sometime last week I tried to impeach the fashion industry about it's lack of diversity, but this thread has convinced me that I've had the whole thing wrong all this time.

White models don't rule the business because the industry won't accept black models, but because they don't have as many issues as black models do.

Anyone who disagrees with my assessment is welcome to come to Pittsburgh [or anywhere I'm planning to be this summer] and prove me wrong.

Flaor wrote:
Everything in this post is just a personal opinion, please read it just as such...

Not everything is an opinion.  I can vouch for one solid fact:  There are almost no black models willing to do fetish.  They just don't/won't do it.  Observe the fact that none of the posters in this thread have even acknowledged my repeated offers to shoot with them tfp, anytime, anywhere.  Before you say "well maybe you suck," take into account that I have a full slate of  models for my trips to Chicago this month and Tampa [for FetishCon] in august, so I must be dong something right.  Plenty of models want to work with me, just no black models.  Those are the facts.

Melvin Moten Jr wrote:

Not everything is an opinion.  I can vouch for one solid fact:  There are almost no black models willing to do fetish.  They just don't/won't do it.  ...  Plenty of models want to work with me, just no black models.  Those are the facts.

Hey, I agree.  Cleveland is a DRY place for black models.  Too many will do ONE test and think that they are models.  I hate to generalize, but I have been in and out of this business over 15 years.  If I wanted a white one, I can have what I need, TFP in most cases.  Black model to do a fashion shoot so that they and the fashion designer would both benefit?  LOL Models with no experience wanted pay for a TEST SHOOT so that I could present to the designer.   I have met some tremendous black models out side of Cleveland, so maybe it's in the water.

UnSeenYou wrote:

Hey, I agree.  Cleveland is a DRY place for black models.  Too many will do ONE test and think that they are models.  I hate to generalize, but I have been in and out of this business over 15 years.  If I wanted a white one, I can have what I need, TFP in most cases.  Black model to do a fashion shoot so that they and the fashion designer would both benefit?  LOL Models with no experience wanted pay for a TEST SHOOT so that I could present to the designer.   I have met some tremendous black models out side of Cleveland, so maybe it's in the water.

Stop invading my mind, willya? lol

Flaor wrote:
I, personally, don't find "Glamour thong shots" neither tasteful, nor attractive. I have nothing against "cushion for the pushin'"; but, imho, snapping a pix of a enormous cellulite filled bootie has nothing to do neither with modeling, nor glamour; and, definitely, can not remotely classified as an art.

Great..I guess I have to cancel my shoot with this photgrapher who wanted 2 shoot with me then...Thanks a lot ....im...outt a here....