ShadowBox Studio Photos wrote:
No, it's not a nude shoot.  Just portfolio building.

...and I didn't imply that anything was illegal.  Just the legalities of it.  Sheesh.

If they're under 18, I make mommy or daddy stay.  Not sure if it's wrong or right and not everyone will agree, but it's company policy and that's just that!

Mike

Daniel Norton wrote:
Since when has it been illegal for a photographer to be alone with a model regardless of age?

are you familiar with Canadian law?

there are such legal requirements in california in commercial settings.

just sayin ~

ShadowBox Studio Photos wrote:
...he's 16 and I'm a female photog.  I'm fine with Dad dropping him off, checking out the place, signing the release and leaving to return later, but, should he stay for the entire shoot?  Isn't that part of being an escort?  Legalities of him being under 18 and having the requirement of an escort?

I'm fine with escorts and don't mind them coming along for shoots...I encourage them if it helps the model feel more comfortable.

How well do you know these people? It could be a set-up
you know, like that Michael Jackson thing.. This world is
crazy and you just never know. Maybe you should suggest to the
parents that they stick around so that there is no problems at all

Aleemah wrote:
How well do you know these people?

This is our first shoot together.  Interaction has been via messaging here on MM.  It shouldn't be a long shoot anyway, about an hour maybe....it might be enough to encourage Dad to stay afterall, when he'll just have to come back in an hour anyhow.

Doug Swinskey wrote:

are you familiar with Canadian law?

there are such legal requirements in california in commercial settings.

just sayin ~

A parent does not have to be there, just a "teacher/child wrangler" to cover the production as far as I can remember, been a while since I've worked in Cali.

Canadian law, you are correct, I am not familiar.

Aleemah wrote:
.... It could be a set-up
you know, like that Michael Jackson thing.. ...

OMG

Stock Photo Showcase wrote:
for your own protection, avoid being alone with a minor you aren't related to. If that is not possible, avoid being in a location where you cannot be seen by other people. People who can see you or be with you don't have to be of the age of majority but you need other people in order to reduce your own risk.

My thoughts exactly.  Why take the chance!

Mike Shutter-Ace wrote:

My thoughts exactly.  Why take the chance!

+1

ShadowBox Studio Photos wrote:
...he's 16 and I'm a female photog.  I'm fine with Dad dropping him off, checking out the place, signing the release and leaving to return later, but, should he stay for the entire shoot?  Isn't that part of being an escort?  Legalities of him being under 18 and having the requirement of an escort?

I'm fine with escorts and don't mind them coming along for shoots...I encourage them if it helps the model feel more comfortable.

While I know you'd keep your nose clean and not do anything wrong, all it takes is the model saying one thing, and the next thing you know, you're in trouble having to prove you're not guilty.  I'd recommend that you keep the parent/guardian around, even though it many not be required or necessary since most people won't start any sort of problems.

Aleemah wrote:
How well do you know these people? It could be a set-up
you know, like that Michael Jackson thing.. This world is
crazy and you just never know. Maybe you should suggest to the
parents that they stick around so that there is no problems at all

Stock Photo Showcase wrote:
for your own protection, avoid being alone with a minor you aren't related to. If that is not possible, avoid being in a location where you cannot be seen by other people. People who can see you or be with you don't have to be of the age of majority but you need other people in order to reduce your own risk.

Isaiah Brink wrote:
While I know you'd keep your nose clean and not do anything wrong, all it takes is the model saying one thing, and the next thing you know, you're in trouble having to prove you're not guilty.  I'd recommend that you keep the parent/guardian around, even though it many not be required or necessary since most people won't start any sort of problems.

you guys are insanely paranoid. i'm kinda worried for half of you who think being alone with a teenager is going to ruin your lives or that all teenagers are out to entice and entrap you. like, how do you go out in public thinking this all the time? do you think all teenagers or models are out to get you? i shoot teenagers all the time. hell, their parents know me through conventions and my website and know that i'm not going to rape their kid.

parents do drop their kids off at tons of business: malls, hair salons, gyms, spas, etc. and many kids are left alone with professionals. hell, i see kids dropped off at bryn allan or olan mills for senior pictures too. and, god forbid, THEY'RE ALONE WITH THE PHOTOGRAPHER! hell, i went alone for my portrait and my photographer didn't try to rape me and i didn't sit there planning on spinning a yarn about him trying to do anything so i can sue him.

i can understand the worry if it's for insurance purposes (studio equipment, etc) but the kid is 16 years old. he's arguably not retarded and won't run around and break stuff. plus, i doubt he's going to go to the trouble of planning a shoot. having his father sign paper work (on the spot) just to say THIS PERSON DID THIS TO ME and sell it to the news. hell, she has spoken to the father and he even agreed to drop him off. both parties agreed to what's to be done. paperwork was signed. put a clause in there if you're that worried and get copies of ids. shoot with assistants or a team. etc.

i really doubt a paying customer would go to such insane lengths to scam someone. and i live in the biggest scam-artist state in the usa.

tigerfist wrote:

Aleemah wrote:
How well do you know these people? It could be a set-up
you know, like that Michael Jackson thing.. This world is
crazy and you just never know. Maybe you should suggest to the
parents that they stick around so that there is no problems at all

Stock Photo Showcase wrote:
for your own protection, avoid being alone with a minor you aren't related to. If that is not possible, avoid being in a location where you cannot be seen by other people. People who can see you or be with you don't have to be of the age of majority but you need other people in order to reduce your own risk.

you guys are insanely paranoid. i'm kinda worried for half of you who think being alone with a teenager is going to ruin your lives or that all teenagers are out to entice and entrap you. like, how do you go out in public thinking this all the time? do you think all teenagers or models are out to get you? i shoot teenagers all the time. hell, their parents know me through conventions and my website and know that i'm not going to rape their kid.

parents do drop their kids off at tons of business: malls, hair salons, gyms, spas, etc. and many kids are left alone with professionals. hell, i see kids dropped off at bryn allan or olan mills for senior pictures too. and, god forbid, THEY'RE ALONE WITH THE PHOTOGRAPHER! hell, i went alone for my portrait and my photographer didn't try to rape me and i didn't sit there planning on spinning a yarn about him trying to do anything so i can sue him.

i can understand the worry if it's for insurance purposes (studio equipment, etc) but the kid is 16 years old. he's arguably not retarded and won't run around and break stuff. plus, i doubt he's going to go to the trouble of planning a shoot. having his father sign paper work (on the spot) just to say THIS PERSON DID THIS TO ME and sell it to the news. hell, she has spoken to the father and he even agreed to drop him off. both parties agreed to what's to be done. paperwork was signed. put a clause in there if you're that worried and get copies of ids. shoot with assistants or a team. etc.

i really doubt a paying customer would go to such insane lengths to scam someone. and i live in the biggest scam-artist state in the usa.

With the way things are going in many parts of the country, photographers who do not work with a staff have every right to be paranoid when it comes to shooting minors.  If you read or watch the news, you see teachers, etc. being accused by kids or parents of some "inappropriate" activity.  They are GUILTY until they prove themselves innocent.  EVEN IF they are found innocent, it is at great expense of time and money, and character assassination.  If the news does publicize their innocense, it is buried where no one can, or does,  read it!  I know that accusations can be made if the model is an adult, but the stigma and grief is much greater if it is with a minor....IMHO!  And if you don't think that a 16 or 17 year old is capable of making a false accusation because something did not go the way they anticipated in a shoot, you've got your head in the sand!

ShadowBox Studio Photos wrote:
No, it's not a nude shoot.  Just portfolio building.

...and I didn't imply that anything was illegal.  Just the legalities of it.  Sheesh.

I understand, when you wrap things up....where is dad to take his boy home? What if you are busy and have to leave? Are you just going to leave the kid? Hmmmm....that could be legal trouble for you should anything happen to Jr.

MinisterC  wrote:
There's just not enough information about escorts here on MM.

+1

MinisterC  wrote:
There's just not enough information about escorts here on MM.

There's just not enough people who read threads on MM before responding to them.

There are, however, more than enough people who will interject ('hijack') snarky remarks about how often topics come up.

Wonder why that is?

/hijack

OP: there's no legal requirement that the parent remain. There may be valid personal reasons, but nothing specific regarding legality.

shooterfoto wrote:

I understand, when you wrap things up....where is dad to take his boy home? What if you are busy and have to leave? Are you just going to leave the kid? Hmmmm....that could be legal trouble for you should anything happen to Jr.

It will be a short shoot, I have another model coming in after him, so no worries there.  I have decided to ask daddy-o to stick around.  Since it's a short shoot, there's no point in him leaving and having to turn around 5 mins later to pick up Jr.

I have however, over the course of the day, discovered one of my tester models was underage.  I'll be taking her photos off my website toute suite!  Ugh, they slip under the radar that's for sure.  At least this little feller was upfront.

Thanks to everyone for their input, and not shredding me to bits over the fact that it was an escort post.  Seems my position was fairly unique, so I thought it was a valid question.