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Tai MUA
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Las Vegas, Nevada, US


Anyone have a tip for an old age makeup?? for both white and black skin color. Any website to read, video, or book. I watch some video on youtube but they are suck. May be you know a better. Oh and may be any advice for basic supply should get!!!

http://i204.photobucket.com/albums/bb208/tai_tai80/oldage.jpg

How to make his neck look like that?? roll

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kOtCySVdMS0

What is the white stuff that he use???

Thanks.

Ps. I just wanted to try this makeup style.
Aug 16 09 08:02 pm  Link  Quote 
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Monkey
Posts: 12,755
Adelaide, South Australia, Australia


Are you intending to achieve this with makeup or wit SFX products?

Too much finishing powder over concealer is good at creating wrinkles around the eyes and you can mix a small amount of grey pigment in with foundation to age the skin and remove it's 'youthful glow'.

Use pigments to add sun spots, freckles etc.

To get the wrinkles, neck skin, creases and all that you need to know SFX. The artist also would have used a bald cap for the hair.
Aug 16 09 08:08 pm  Link  Quote 
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Tai MUA
Posts: 783
Las Vegas, Nevada, US


SFX products.

I'm about to order them online from Ben Nye and Kryolan but I wanted to get a lot of advices from everyone first to make sure that I'm order the right stuff.
Aug 16 09 08:13 pm  Link  Quote 
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Tai MUA
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Anyone?????? Please!!!!!
Aug 16 09 09:09 pm  Link  Quote 
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TheMakeupMan
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I use atagel mixed with green marble concentrate  ,to a kind of runnny yogurt texture ........ strech the skin and blo dry while holding the skin streached , guess its the same as aging stipple, I like what I use better , it usually helps to have an extra set of hands , one to streach the skin and one to blo dry the product

I use a tooth type brush and brownish illustrator to creat age spots by running my finger against the bristles to acheive the look
And of course there is shading to creat hollows
Aug 16 09 10:06 pm  Link  Quote 
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Tai MUA
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Las Vegas, Nevada, US


TheMakeupman wrote:
I use atagel mixed with green marble concentrate  ,to a kind of runnny yogurt texture ........ strech the skin and blo dry while holding the skin streached , guess its the same as aging stipple, I like what I use better , it usually helps to have an extra set of hands , one to streach the skin and one to blo dry the product

I use a tooth type brush and brownish illustrator to creat age spots buy running my finger against the bristles to acheive the look
And of course there is shading to creat hollows

Can you give me a link for the products?

Aug 16 09 10:10 pm  Link  Quote 
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TheMakeupMan
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Los Angeles, California, US


nigels beauty emporium
818 760 3902

Ask for nigel   tell him Anthony Gordon sent you smile

I have seen ALOT of agings   but they always look like makeup to me
this you can walk into a bank a rob it and nobody would know

ohh wait  somebody already did that


So real from an inches away

PS   OHHHH yeah   LIGHTLY and I mean LIGHTLY powder the againg becouse it is tacky till you do   but if you over powder it will grab
Aug 16 09 10:17 pm  Link  Quote 
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Jordan Liberty
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New York, New York, US


TheMakeupman wrote:
nigels beauty emporium
818 760 3902

Ask for nigel   tell him Anthony Gordon sent you smile

I have seen ALOT of agings   but they always look like makeup to me
this you can walk into a bank a rob it and nobody would know

ohh wait  somebody already did that


So real from an inches away

lol


I love Nigel's, they're great!

Aug 16 09 10:21 pm  Link  Quote 
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Tai MUA
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Las Vegas, Nevada, US


Thank you so much!!! I promised I won't go rob any bank after try it on me. smile
Aug 16 09 10:52 pm  Link  Quote 
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Cynthia ORourke
Posts: 1,435
New York, New York, US


TheMakeupman wrote:
I use atagel mixed with green marble concentrate  ,to a kind of runnny yogurt texture ........ strech the skin and blo dry while holding the skin streached , guess its the same as aging stipple, I like what I use better , it usually helps to have an extra set of hands , one to streach the skin and one to blo dry the product

I use a tooth type brush and brownish illustrator to creat age spots buy running my finger against the bristles to acheive the look
And of course there is shading to creat hollows

What's the pros and cons of using this method versus a liquid latex stretch and stipple?  Is it fume-y?  Hard to get off?  Does it look more realistic than latex?

Link for the OP:  http://www.ppi.cc/green_details.htm

Aug 17 09 06:16 am  Link  Quote 
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TheMakeupMan
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Los Angeles, California, US


Cynthia ORourke wrote:

What's the pros and cons of using this method versus a liquid latex stretch and stipple?  Is it fume-y?  Hard to get off?  Does it look more realistic than latex?

Link for the OP:  http://www.ppi.cc/green_details.htm

latex streack and stipple seems to have a less realistic look and feel , I'D love you to test it out and hear what you have to say Cynthia \
Not fume-y at all Honestly one of my pet peeves are Bad agings , and theres alot out there
Doing this tecnique blew me away , so real  Test it and tell me what you think
I have honestly NEVER use aging stipple , but everyone I see who does use it latex , just looks like they TRIED to age someone , not like they really were just  that old ...... thats how I learned about atagel, becouse I was insistant there was a better way , I'll have to post a before and after for you , I did it for a anti smoking campain

Aug 17 09 08:26 am  Link  Quote 
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Aeni
Posts: 1,968
Phoenix, Arizona, US


Cynthia ORourke wrote:
What's the pros and cons of using this method versus a liquid latex stretch and stipple?  Is it fume-y?  Hard to get off?  Does it look more realistic than latex?

Pro: Something that you can use on someone allergic to latex
Pro: Like Watermelon, it peels off.  You'll still need to use some remover but not as much as you would with latex.

Con: a little more expensive than just buying wrinkle stipples.
Con: You have to make it ahead of time.

Aug 17 09 08:32 am  Link  Quote 
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TheMakeupMan
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Los Angeles, California, US


I kind of hate myself for giving out this tip LOL
Aug 17 09 08:45 am  Link  Quote 
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Aeni
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Phoenix, Arizona, US


TheMakeupman wrote:
I kind of hate myself for giving out this tip LOL

Aw don't be.  I've seen it in a couple of makeup books now - so the information's out there.

Aug 17 09 12:45 pm  Link  Quote 
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Cynthia ORourke
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New York, New York, US


TheMakeupman wrote:
I kind of hate myself for giving out this tip LOL

I kind of love you for it. wink

I'm starting to feel very "whatever the opposite of cutting edge is" in regard to sfx makeup.  I hardly ever get to do it anymore.  As ignorant as it makes me feel, I like hearing about new ways to do things.

For the OP (so I actually contribute something):  Shading/contouring I think is one of the most important parts of aging.  It's a really subtle, simple, quick way to age someone a few years quickly with just makeup.  Essentially you want to emphasize existing lines and contours by darkening the shadows and lightening the hilights.  It's sorta the opposite of beauty makeup but using the same principles of pushing shadows and pulling hilights.

Aug 17 09 12:53 pm  Link  Quote 
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E E S
Posts: 772
Los Angeles, California, US


It looks like they did a bald cap and put either a wig or layed hair on it. And it is a chin/throat piece that he has on. Everything else looks like stretch + stipple with paint + powder.

You might want to check out Vincent Kehoe's book of makeup...it'll give you everything you'll need to know about prosthetics and old age makeup. The only thing is that it's an older book, so the makeup is more theatrical looking than the needs be for today's camera. But it will give you a good basic understanding of what everything that Cynthia was talking about.

I know for HBO's "Grey Gardens" they used Tinsley transfers for the aging makeup....I am dying to try those out...the Dept. Head was raving how millimeter thin they were and how well they stood up.


P.S.

I used the Green Marble method to age an 11 year old girl to look 65 (it was for a kid's program warning about the dangers of the sun). Looked great-the more you manipulated the skin, the more wrinkly it became, but was a bitch to get off.
Aug 17 09 07:36 pm  Link  Quote 
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Tai MUA
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Las Vegas, Nevada, US


TheMakeupman wrote:

latex streack and stipple seems to have a less realistic look and feel , I'D love you to test it out and hear what you have to say Cynthia \
Not fume-y at all Honestly one of my pet peeves are Bad agings , and theres alot out there
Doing this tecnique blew me away , so real  Test it and tell me what you think
I have honestly NEVER use aging stipple , but everyone I see who does use it latex , just looks like they TRIED to age someone , not like they really were just  that old ...... thats how I learned about atagel, becouse I was insistant there was a better way , I'll have to post a before and after for you , I did it for a anti smoking campain

Can you show me the pic too?? Please!! smile

Aug 17 09 11:29 pm  Link  Quote 
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Tai MUA
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Thanks you everyone smile
Aug 17 09 11:32 pm  Link  Quote 
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Tai MUA
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Hi everyone,

I took those pics for everyone to see my result from all of your helps. Sorry I didn't have a before picture. I was 8 a.m. call all of the crew. I was in hurry to do this makeup, so I forgot to take a pic before I started. ;'( Oh well I will try to get his picture to show everyone later. This is my first old age makeup for my friend's short film. I had to make him to became 70 years old man. He's 56 years old. Not bad at all!!! smile

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3528/3891109437_9fe63717a9.jpg
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2451/3891133573_1fb4d273d2.jpg

Thank you every one!!!
Sep 05 09 09:30 pm  Link  Quote 
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TheMakeupMan
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Tai MUA wrote:
Hi everyone,

I took those pics for everyone to see my result from all of your helps. Sorry I didn't have a before picture. I was 8 a.m. call all of the crew. I was in hurry to do this makeup, so I forgot to take a pic before I started. ;'( Oh well I will try to get his picture to show everyone later. This is my first old age makeup for my friend's short film. I had to make him to became 70 years old man. He's 56 years old. Not bad at all!!! smile

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3528/3891109437_9fe63717a9.jpg
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2451/3891133573_1fb4d273d2.jpg

Thank you every one!!!

LOOKS great!   so what did you go with to create it

Sep 05 09 09:44 pm  Link  Quote 
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Tai MUA
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Las Vegas, Nevada, US


I did with latex streack and stipple smile
Aging stipple is suck! It peel after actor talk or make faces. I will try atagel mixed with green marble concentrate next time smile

Thanks again for you!!!!
Sep 05 09 09:58 pm  Link  Quote 
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E E S
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Los Angeles, California, US


He looks great! Very subtle. Do you happen to have any before pics? I'd like to see what you did to him.
Sep 06 09 04:34 pm  Link  Quote 
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Ms BSK
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Brooklyn, New York, US


Looks great.

I would love to try the green marble attagel method. Eleanor or MakeupMan how long does it take to complete the application?
Sep 06 09 05:29 pm  Link  Quote 
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E E S
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Los Angeles, California, US


Since I had a little girl with smooth firm skin, I had to do several layers...maybe 1.5 hours? It was several years ago. Wish I could find the continuity pic.
Sep 06 09 06:45 pm  Link  Quote 
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E E S
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Los Angeles, California, US


Here are detailed instructions for applying the Green Marble Concentrate + attagel:

http://www.ppi.cc/green_details.htm
Sep 22 09 07:26 am  Link  Quote 
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Gemma Elaine
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Bumping this up - is the Green Marble + Attagel longer wearing than the latex method?

Need to do an old age transformation for a video and want it to be believable.

Any other tips?
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TheMakeupMan
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Gemma Elaine wrote:
Bumping this up - is the Green Marble + Attagel longer wearing than the latex method?

Need to do an old age transformation for a video and want it to be believable.

Any other tips?

Love to see ur video of it

Jan 19 12 04:53 pm  Link  Quote 
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Aeni
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Phoenix, Arizona, US


I wanted to use this method for a film but after talking to one of my mentors about it, I used Watermelon.  Same stretch and stipple - and it was easy cleanup which my actor loved!
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Jessica deBen
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Los Angeles, California, US


This forum thread saved me for a gig where I got to create half old/half young for an album cover concept. Thank for posting pics and products. I used the old Dick Smith Ager I & Ager II formulas I found online here: http://www.sapsema.org/stipple.html. Here's how my model's age makeup turned out:
http://photos.modelmayhem.com/photos/130316/08/514493e761f02.jpg

I'm going to age a comedian next and will try Green Marble and Attagel instead of the old school Ager latex stipple. Thank you MakeupMan for sharing.
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TheMakeupMan
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Jessica deBen wrote:
This forum thread saved me for a gig where I got to create half old/half young for an album cover concept. Thank for posting pics and products. I used the old Dick Smith Ager I & Ager II formulas I found online here: http://www.sapsema.org/stipple.html. Here's how my model's age makeup turned out:
http://photos.modelmayhem.com/photos/130316/08/514493e761f02.jpg

I'm going to age a comedian next and will try Green Marble and Attagel instead of the old school Ager latex stipple. Thank you MakeupMan for sharing.

Really buetiful work !!!!
Love to hear your feedback on the attagel technique

Mar 19 13 03:07 pm  Link  Quote 
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Jessica deBen
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Los Angeles, California, US


Thanks for the kind words. I feel like her neck wrinkles need to be more pronounced and I'm looking for a neck prosthetic for my next aging makeup (Green Marble/Attagel). I love the neck piece on http://www.mostlydead.com/popup_image.p … 52&image=4 I've never had good luck cutting foam latex prosthetics but considering doing it for this case unless I can find a neck prosthetic piece elsewhere. Do you have any suggestions?
Mar 26 13 03:00 pm  Link  Quote 
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Michael Key
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New York, New York, US


To do a half aged face like that, the best thing would be to sculpt a custom neck appliance.
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