Anyone have a tip for an old age makeup?? for both white and black skin color. Any website to read, video, or book. I watch some video on youtube but they are suck. May be you know a better. Oh and may be any advice for basic supply should get!!!
Monkey
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Adelaide, South Australia, Australia
Are you intending to achieve this with makeup or wit SFX products?
Too much finishing powder over concealer is good at creating wrinkles around the eyes and you can mix a small amount of grey pigment in with foundation to age the skin and remove it's 'youthful glow'.
Use pigments to add sun spots, freckles etc.
To get the wrinkles, neck skin, creases and all that you need to know SFX. The artist also would have used a bald cap for the hair.
I'm about to order them online from Ben Nye and Kryolan but I wanted to get a lot of advices from everyone first to make sure that I'm order the right stuff.
TheMakeupMan
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Los Angeles, California, US
I use atagel mixed with green marble concentrate ,to a kind of runnny yogurt texture ........ strech the skin and blo dry while holding the skin streached , guess its the same as aging stipple, I like what I use better , it usually helps to have an extra set of hands , one to streach the skin and one to blo dry the product
I use a tooth type brush and brownish illustrator to creat age spots by running my finger against the bristles to acheive the look
And of course there is shading to creat hollows
TheMakeupman wrote: I use atagel mixed with green marble concentrate ,to a kind of runnny yogurt texture ........ strech the skin and blo dry while holding the skin streached , guess its the same as aging stipple, I like what I use better , it usually helps to have an extra set of hands , one to streach the skin and one to blo dry the product
I use a tooth type brush and brownish illustrator to creat age spots buy running my finger against the bristles to acheive the look
And of course there is shading to creat hollows
TheMakeupman wrote: I use atagel mixed with green marble concentrate ,to a kind of runnny yogurt texture ........ strech the skin and blo dry while holding the skin streached , guess its the same as aging stipple, I like what I use better , it usually helps to have an extra set of hands , one to streach the skin and one to blo dry the product
I use a tooth type brush and brownish illustrator to creat age spots buy running my finger against the bristles to acheive the look
And of course there is shading to creat hollows
What's the pros and cons of using this method versus a liquid latex stretch and stipple? Is it fume-y? Hard to get off? Does it look more realistic than latex?
TheMakeupMan
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Los Angeles, California, US
Cynthia ORourke wrote:
What's the pros and cons of using this method versus a liquid latex stretch and stipple? Is it fume-y? Hard to get off? Does it look more realistic than latex?
latex streack and stipple seems to have a less realistic look and feel , I'D love you to test it out and hear what you have to say Cynthia \
Not fume-y at all Honestly one of my pet peeves are Bad agings , and theres alot out there
Doing this tecnique blew me away , so real Test it and tell me what you think
I have honestly NEVER use aging stipple , but everyone I see who does use it latex , just looks like they TRIED to age someone , not like they really were just that old ...... thats how I learned about atagel, becouse I was insistant there was a better way , I'll have to post a before and after for you , I did it for a anti smoking campain
Cynthia ORourke wrote: What's the pros and cons of using this method versus a liquid latex stretch and stipple? Is it fume-y? Hard to get off? Does it look more realistic than latex?
Pro: Something that you can use on someone allergic to latex
Pro: Like Watermelon, it peels off. You'll still need to use some remover but not as much as you would with latex.
Con: a little more expensive than just buying wrinkle stipples.
Con: You have to make it ahead of time.
TheMakeupman wrote: I kind of hate myself for giving out this tip LOL
I kind of love you for it.
I'm starting to feel very "whatever the opposite of cutting edge is" in regard to sfx makeup. I hardly ever get to do it anymore. As ignorant as it makes me feel, I like hearing about new ways to do things.
For the OP (so I actually contribute something): Shading/contouring I think is one of the most important parts of aging. It's a really subtle, simple, quick way to age someone a few years quickly with just makeup. Essentially you want to emphasize existing lines and contours by darkening the shadows and lightening the hilights. It's sorta the opposite of beauty makeup but using the same principles of pushing shadows and pulling hilights.
It looks like they did a bald cap and put either a wig or layed hair on it. And it is a chin/throat piece that he has on. Everything else looks like stretch + stipple with paint + powder.
You might want to check out Vincent Kehoe's book of makeup...it'll give you everything you'll need to know about prosthetics and old age makeup. The only thing is that it's an older book, so the makeup is more theatrical looking than the needs be for today's camera. But it will give you a good basic understanding of what everything that Cynthia was talking about.
I know for HBO's "Grey Gardens" they used Tinsley transfers for the aging makeup....I am dying to try those out...the Dept. Head was raving how millimeter thin they were and how well they stood up.
P.S.
I used the Green Marble method to age an 11 year old girl to look 65 (it was for a kid's program warning about the dangers of the sun). Looked great-the more you manipulated the skin, the more wrinkly it became, but was a bitch to get off.
latex streack and stipple seems to have a less realistic look and feel , I'D love you to test it out and hear what you have to say Cynthia \
Not fume-y at all Honestly one of my pet peeves are Bad agings , and theres alot out there
Doing this tecnique blew me away , so real Test it and tell me what you think
I have honestly NEVER use aging stipple , but everyone I see who does use it latex , just looks like they TRIED to age someone , not like they really were just that old ...... thats how I learned about atagel, becouse I was insistant there was a better way , I'll have to post a before and after for you , I did it for a anti smoking campain
I took those pics for everyone to see my result from all of your helps. Sorry I didn't have a before picture. I was 8 a.m. call all of the crew. I was in hurry to do this makeup, so I forgot to take a pic before I started. ;'( Oh well I will try to get his picture to show everyone later. This is my first old age makeup for my friend's short film. I had to make him to became 70 years old man. He's 56 years old. Not bad at all!!!
TheMakeupMan
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Los Angeles, California, US
Tai MUA wrote: Hi everyone,
I took those pics for everyone to see my result from all of your helps. Sorry I didn't have a before picture. I was 8 a.m. call all of the crew. I was in hurry to do this makeup, so I forgot to take a pic before I started. ;'( Oh well I will try to get his picture to show everyone later. This is my first old age makeup for my friend's short film. I had to make him to became 70 years old man. He's 56 years old. Not bad at all!!!
I did with latex streack and stipple Aging stipple is suck! It peel after actor talk or make faces. I will try atagel mixed with green marble concentrate next time
Since I had a little girl with smooth firm skin, I had to do several layers...maybe 1.5 hours? It was several years ago. Wish I could find the continuity pic.
I wanted to use this method for a film but after talking to one of my mentors about it, I used Watermelon. Same stretch and stipple - and it was easy cleanup which my actor loved!
This forum thread saved me for a gig where I got to create half old/half young for an album cover concept. Thank for posting pics and products. I used the old Dick Smith Ager I & Ager II formulas I found online here: http://www.sapsema.org/stipple.html. Here's how my model's age makeup turned out:
I'm going to age a comedian next and will try Green Marble and Attagel instead of the old school Ager latex stipple. Thank you MakeupMan for sharing.
TheMakeupMan
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Los Angeles, California, US
Jessica deBen wrote: This forum thread saved me for a gig where I got to create half old/half young for an album cover concept. Thank for posting pics and products. I used the old Dick Smith Ager I & Ager II formulas I found online here: http://www.sapsema.org/stipple.html. Here's how my model's age makeup turned out:
I'm going to age a comedian next and will try Green Marble and Attagel instead of the old school Ager latex stipple. Thank you MakeupMan for sharing.
Really buetiful work !!!!
Love to hear your feedback on the attagel technique
Thanks for the kind words. I feel like her neck wrinkles need to be more pronounced and I'm looking for a neck prosthetic for my next aging makeup (Green Marble/Attagel). I love the neck piece on http://www.mostlydead.com/popup_image.p … 52&image=4 I've never had good luck cutting foam latex prosthetics but considering doing it for this case unless I can find a neck prosthetic piece elsewhere. Do you have any suggestions?
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