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Common Misconceptions in the Modeling Industry
Jeff Fiore wrote: +1 Feb 18 10 12:25 pm Link I have moar!  Any legit, honest photographer won't have a problem if you bring an escort to a shoot. Run far away from anyone who says otherwise. Not true at all! Often, those who don't allow escorts have had problems with them in the past--broken equipment, stolen items from the studio/home, threats, causing trouble for others on set, distracting the model--giving them perfectly acceptable reasons to deny an escort. Additionally, some insurance policies won't cover injuries to someone who wasn't directly involved with the shoot. And both of those reasons are discounting the fact that many professionals (or serious hobbyists) see the value in a MUA, HS, and are more likely to have those types of people on set. Why add another body--especially one that's likely going to be useless? If you want to bring an escort, discuss it ahead of time with the photographer... but don't rely on bringing an escort as your only safety net. Check references and do your due diligence as well! Feb 18 10 12:37 pm Link Oh my goodness Rachel you read my mind. I was writing up the same thing! Feb 18 10 12:37 pm Link Kelli Kickham wrote:
Feb 18 10 12:39 pm Link Rachel Jay wrote: It's true! Although, personally, I don't care what kind of car you drive. Feb 18 10 12:39 pm Link How about: People say I should be a model, so here I am People are nice but, typically, those who say that don't know modeling requirements. I should be paid because I need money (applies to all roles) You won't be paid because you are in school and need money for textbooks. Or because gas is expensive. Or because you have medical bills. You will get paid because your look fits the need of a client. Feb 18 10 12:44 pm Link Beatrix Mae wrote: Well, Kelly may love Engel, I however, absolutely adore her! Feb 18 10 12:45 pm Link There are standards for TF*--things that stay the same across the board in "the industry". TF* agreements vary for all talent involved, and often even differ on a case-by-case basis. There is no standard trade agreement, period. When booking a trade shoot, it is wise for all involved parties to come to terms on what the trade arrangements are for that particular shoot, ahead of time. Feb 18 10 12:51 pm Link J J Collins wrote: She always gets extra points for spelling my name right. Feb 18 10 12:52 pm Link Any reputable agency pays for everything... the model NEVER pays . This is simply not true. Increasingly agencies -- even legit ones -- ask for up front fees for items like comp cards, web listings, etc. You will likely need to PAY (oh, the horror) for comp card images from Test photographers that the Agency recommends (but does not require). It is becoming increasingly common for agencies to get more money directly from you rather than wait to take it out of your earnings (as extra fees on top of their standard fee paid by the client). Models sent to another city by their mother agent will also have their travel costs, room, board, etc taken out of their earnings. What happens if you don't make enough to cover the fees? Well, life ain't free.... you signed a contract ..... you still owe the agency the money. Scams are scams. Legit agencies are legit. Your job is to know the difference..... Hint: asking for money up front to pay for comps or Tests with unaffiliated photographers does not immediately mean "scam." Modeling is a business. Learn it. Feb 18 10 12:55 pm Link Girls from Tulsa make better ranchers than models . This may be true for some but it is DEFINITELY not true for all. https://www.modelmayhem.com/po.php?thre … 576&page=1 Feb 18 10 01:00 pm Link I've joined a modeling site... now the paid work will come rolling in! Wrong! First off, work in general won't come rolling in until you start networking. You might get a few bites if the site sends out new member alerts to people in your area, but other than that, you'll have to do work to get work. And in many cases, it's not paid work that comes in right away--sometimes, you have to "pay your dues" first, and prove that you are worth paying. Bottom line is, with many of the modeling sites, you only get out of them what you put in... simply joining and uploading the minimum requirement photos isn't going to land you work. Feb 18 10 01:02 pm Link The hardest thing to do is to get into and Agency. Once I do that, I am golden . Sorry girls, getting into an agency is easy. GETTING WORK once you are there is much harder and significantly more daunting. Oh, and if you don't get enough work, quickly, your booker will kick you to the curb to free up space on the board for a girl that will get work (and create revenue for the agency). Feb 18 10 01:05 pm Link My Agency loves me . Your booker may love you today. He/she may think you are a nice person. They will return all your calls and really be a big help to you -- as long as you keep earning..... If you fail to book work.... lots of work.... your agent will soon forget about you. You are a commodity. You can be nice and friendly and warm and funny but, unless you can EARN money, you are not worth anything to your agency. Keep earning and they will always love you. Stop earning and you will find yourself at the curb. Your booker may be "friendly" but he is not your friend..... he is a businessman first and your friend second. Never confuse that. You too should be a businessperson first and a model second. Take charge or your career and take charge of yourself. Feb 18 10 01:09 pm Link wait, if everyone reads this, it will eliminate 99% of the threads on MM and all of the drama and BS. Now that MM is owned by an ad agency, you are destroying the advertising revenues of this site, are you working for OMP by any chance? don't listen...modeling is easy, the tall girls are just jealous, petite agencies DO exist, you can sleep your way to the top, GWC is not a pejorative, it stands for GREAT with a camera, agencies are over rated, advertising is not the main source of income for models, everyone gets naked and signs releases, Playboy is looking for you as is GQ, that princess in Nigeria is real and you only need to call her to get your 10 million dollars Feb 18 10 01:19 pm Link Kelli Kickham wrote: Very true. I didn't stop to consider those sources of modeling when I posted. Thanks. Feb 18 10 01:33 pm Link Renard Photography wrote: Internet Brands (IB) is NOT an ad agency. Internet Brands, Inc. (NASDAQ:INET) is a leading Internet media company that operates community and e-commerce websites in the automotive, careers, health, home, money and business, shopping, and travel and leisure categories. Feb 18 10 01:35 pm Link Not quite sure how to phrase these two or if they should be worked into existing headings: A-If I work for free, I'll never get paid Alternatively: B-I'm a professional, I don't need TF* False! First of all, trade is not "working for free" it's working for barter. A- One goal is to receive pictures that will help you secure paid work. It's a safe guess that even the best paid models on MM work for TF* when the trade is to their benefit. Another goal is to build the relationships and referrals that lead to future paid work. This is a relationship business. The trick is to learn which relationships have real potential and which ones are mere scams. and B- True professionals in all disciplines constantly work to improve their skills. And make no mistake, modeling is skilled work. It's might be wonderful to be able to try out new things, experiment, and learn the ins and outs of posing in different styles or for different genres while being paid, but it's also unlikely. The people doing the paying want you to know what you're doing before you get the job, not learn on their dime. TF* can give you that opportunity. Feb 18 10 01:46 pm Link Kelli Kickham wrote: Everything sounds just about right. Though I like to add one thing to #21: Feb 18 10 01:55 pm Link I own the copyright because I'm the model. Wrong. First, there are two basic types of rights, copyright and usage right. Outside the USA, your mileage may vary. In the USA, the photographer owns the copyright to any photo he creates. Yes, there are a few exceptions but they probably don't apply to your situation. Copyrights may be transferred to anyone, but that rarely happens. Usage rights may be granted to the model or someone else by the copyright owner and determine how an image may be used and for how long and for what cost if any. What the model does own is the right to use her likeness. When the model signs a release she is granting the right to use her likeness for the purpose stated in the release. Feb 18 10 02:00 pm Link 'Industry standard' No such animal except to the slavish and unimaginative. You follow or lead; and its breaking standard that can be most creative. Also, most of us models work across many fields. We can't all be Jordan or Kate Moss but are working across fields like fashion art and glamour (though don't conform to any standard) Feb 19 10 03:51 am Link *Bookmarked.* Awesome thread is awesome.  Feb 19 10 05:15 am Link Eliza C wrote: I'm not sure I fully understand what you are saying. Feb 19 10 10:05 am Link Thank you for #10. a lot of "models" that I know use photoshop as an excuse to not take care of themselves, and some "photographers" that i know use photoshop to enable this behavior. Feb 19 10 10:11 am Link Threads like this although very informative make me glad I'm a portrait shooter...it must be a dog-eat-dog world "making it" and "staying it" in the fashion industry , both for the models and the photographers sounds like... Feb 19 10 10:49 am Link Full Sun Photography wrote: It's not just about fashion. Feb 19 10 10:51 am Link Great post Kelli ...I have to go back and read it again...my favorite "Any reputable agency pays for everything... the model NEVER pays " hahahaha Feb 19 10 10:54 am Link Kelli Kickham wrote: I'd have to agree with you there..and I especially agree with your #18 statement about health issues in the industry...All the talk we hear of unhealthy models... the ones who are "Naturally" tall and thin aren't the ones getting sick , it's the ones forcing themselves into a physical position that's not "Normal" or "Natural" for them...they're the ones facing health problems... Feb 19 10 10:56 am Link Here's mine.. "Once I've got experience, I can get paid." This totally ignores the fact that modeling is about how you LOOK. Hello. If you don't have a look people want to shoot, all the experience in the world isn't going to help. If you have nothing unique to offer a client or photographer, you have nothing to sell. Being pretty in the conventional sense (especially to your mom and your friends) has nothing at all to do with it. Prom queen isn't a qualification. It's not typing skills. It's about appearances, and not much else. You can diss that or not like that but it still IS. I think this is the biggest myth for models on MM..and maybe models in general. B Feb 19 10 11:05 am Link I can do my makeup fine, so I don't need a MUA. Camera makeup is far different from daily makeup, or even from "sluttin' it up to hit the bars, yo" makeup. Cosmetics made with the camera in mind often contain (or don't contain) certain elements to make them flash-friendly, for one. Additionally, application may need to be heavier, contouring and highlighting may need to be different,and much, much more that you likely don't know if you just know how to "do your makeup". Heck, the makeup you bought could even be the wrong shade! And let's not forget the magic MUAs can do when it comes to complex looks, creative beauty work, and special effects, all of which can make or break a shoot! Hiring a qualified, educated MUA who has the right tools and the right materials will be beyond worth it. Feb 19 10 11:26 am Link I'm thinking about putting something in about stupid people comparing nude models to strippers... Feb 20 10 09:58 am Link Kelli Kickham wrote: Have you stopped adding??? Feb 20 10 11:14 am Link Kelli Kickham wrote: I mean that you need new looks to create new. Feb 20 10 12:02 pm Link Digitoxin wrote: I'm updating right now. I had to bum wifi ffrom a public place and they had a short time limit. I gotta get my internet set up! Feb 21 10 10:11 am Link Elizabeth Claret wrote: But Kate had an agent who BELIEVED in her, and practically forced her down Calvin Klein's throat. The rest grew from there. Feb 21 10 10:18 am Link GregBrownDesigns wrote: She was being sarcastic. Feb 21 10 10:20 am Link Kelli Kickham wrote: Wrong, it's there to protect the photographer. You should often sign a model release because otherwise the photographer won't shoot with you, or because you are being paid to sign one for the agreed upon usages, or because you'd like the photographer to provide you with a usage agreement, or (best case) you and the photographer have discussed this issue, understand each other, and have come to an agreement satisfactory to both. Feb 21 10 10:27 am Link Rays Fine Art wrote: Beautiful! Thank you. Feb 21 10 10:29 am Link a Model's career is very short . This may or may not be true. Fashion models do have short careers typically about 16-22 (sometimes a bit longer). But, commercial models have a much longer career. A commercial model's career can stretch well into his/her 50's, 60's and possibly 70's. But, just because you don't have a "fashion look" does not mean that you have a "commercial look" either. Oh, and if you visit an editorial agency and they say "no, your look is too commercial" -- they are not saying that you would be a good commercial model. Rather, they are just politely telling you to go away. Feb 21 10 10:51 am Link Great info. Truthful and straight forward which is what I like. Apr 14 10 08:38 pm Link |
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