I got the same message and replied to see what he would say and this is the next message he said.
Hello Mate,
It's really nice reading back from you and here are more information about the assignment. 1300 pounds pay Fashion job (Assignment) for you, My client wants to update her Catalog with her new year release Fashion outfits and to host one of the 2010 model event with her new fashion from Malaysia.this assignment is to encourage the upcoming models in the industry she is affiliated with the Academy Art,you don't have to be worried about your experience or present look because we have specialist stylist and make Up artist who will bring the real beauty out of you,I'm a professional photographer/Manager with 8 years experience.
Find all details for the job below..
Job Location
The shooting will be hold at a rented photographers studio in your location,so you don't have to worry about traveling,the name and address of the studio will be forwarded to you a week before the date of the shooting,all make up will be taken care of in the studio.You can come along with any body of your choice on the day of the shooting,your mum,dad,friend,body-guard anybody you wish to come with just for you to feel more comfortable.
Job details
You have 12 different Fashion outfits to cover,which would be provided by our client on the day of the shooting.
Types of cloths
Jeans and Jackets
Company Name
Alora Designer
Payment format
The total pay for the jobs is 1300 pounds but you will get 300 pounds as upfront part payment before the shoot and the remaining balance of 1000 pounds will be paid to you in cash at the shooting venue immediately after the shoot.
Shooting Date.
the date for the shooting is not fix,i will have to make arrangement for that ahead from now,I will email you the exact date for the shooting a week before the shoot as soon as the arrangement is completed with our client.
Requirements.
Very Attractive,Classy,In Great Shape,Extremely Outgoing & Personable,out spoken,Must be Reliable.
Payment Policy.
As part of my working policy and ethics,i receive part payment from any client before I proceed with any job and balance immediately after the shooting,this is to identify a serious client and ascertain the job,I hope you comprehend this fact. I will keep you updated as to when our client wants to make upfront payments
Expectation.
you need to have good and attractive poses .(start practicing) Basically this is all we required of you,for your make up, my client will be taken care of it, you don't have to bother for any make up,please get in touch with me if you will take the job and we can go from there,just let me know if you will take the job to commence with next arrangement.
Please I'd like you to check your email on a regular bases, I might have updates for you.
Dominic-Lloyd Goodman wrote: I got the same message and replied to see what he would say and this is the next message he said.
It's really irrelevant. All that will happen now is that you'll get more scam mail. Read the links in the posts on page 1, it's all you need to know about this.
Jinkx Hull
Posts: 54
Kingston upon Hull, England, United Kingdom
I back SLE up all the way. I've read through alot of the articles amongst others and they are all really helpful.
The reason I posted up the full message was so that the "newbies" could see what was actually being said in detail and so that I could point out the bits that should jump out at you when you read them. Just to give that extra little bit of help.
Although the scammers do constantly re-word these messages, each message that continues from the original still holds to the same template. So if it was re-worded and the person who had received the message wasn't sure and found this post. HOPEFULLY they would make the comparison and see the similarities and be stopped from making a big mistake.
To all of you that have thanked me for putting this thread up in the 1st place it's no problem. I'm just glad I could help and prevent you from falling for this very old trick.
As many people have said. DO NOT reply to any emails like this! You will just get constantly bombarded with these stupid scam emails AND if they've got the know how they could access all sorts of information about you just by having that one little address...
In answer to Miss KiKi D it's easy to report these scams. Just go to the info page at the top right of the screen and it's in the top section.
Also the mod's here react with high speed when a problem like this arises. They are very good at what they do
Aoxomedia wrote: Now we've got the scam out of the way, welcome to MM.
(Wasn't sure if that was aimed at me or La Little Girl above you.) If it was aimed at me then thank you very much
moet abebe wrote: hey... i unfortunately emailed him back and now I AM WORRIED... wat do I do?
Answer:
RSM-images wrote: By replying to the scammer's email, you confirmed your email address, which the scammer will sell to many, many other scammers.
Hello,
My name is Frank Joseph. A professional photographer/Manager. I got your profile on model Mayhem and I've a client who wants to update her Catalog with her new year Fashion outfits release & I'm interested in you for the shooting,your pay for the job will be $2,800.Here are the details for the job;
Job Location
The shooting will hold at a rented photographers studio in your location,so you don't have to worry about traveling,the name and address of the studio will be forwarded to you before the date of the shooting,all make up will be taken care of in the studio.You can come along with any body of your choice on the day of the shooting,your mum,dad,friend,body-guard anybody you wish to come with just for you to feel more comfortable.
Job details
You have 12 different Fashion outfits to cover,which would be provided by our client on the day of the shooting.
Types of cloths;
Jeans and Jackets
Name of client;
Nicole Brian
Company Name;
Beth Designer
Job percentage;
The total pay for the jobs is $2,800 and you get $600 upfront as your part payment before the shooting.
Shooting Date;
The date for the shooting is not fix,I will have to make arrangement for that ahead from now,I will email you the exact date for the shooting a week before as soon as the arrangement is completed with our client.
Requirements;
Very Attractive,Classy,In Great Shape,Extremely Outgoing & Personable,out spoken,Must be Reliable.
Payment Policy;
As part of my working policy and ethics,I receive part payment from any client before I proceed with any job and balance immediately after the shooting,this is to identify a serious client and ascertain the job,I hope you comprehend this fact.
I will keep you updated as to when our client wants to make upfront payments.
Expectation;
You need to have good and attractive poses (start practicing) Basically this is all required of you,for your make up my client will be taken care of it,you don't have to be bother for any make up.
Please I'd like you to check your email on a regular bases, I might have updates for you. Get in touch with me if you will take the job and we can go from there,just let me know if you will take the job to commence with next arrangement.
Jinkx Hull
Posts: 54
Kingston upon Hull, England, United Kingdom
Rosely Pinares wrote: hello this is a scam correct ???
I've a client.
Clue number 1!
your pay for the job will be $2,800.
Clue number 2!
Job details
You have 12 different Fashion outfits to cover,which would be provided by our client on the day of the shooting.
Read the OP. Clue number 3!
The total pay for the jobs is $2,800 and you get $600 upfront as your part payment before the shooting.
Clue number 4!
Requirements;
Very Attractive,Classy,In Great Shape,Extremely Outgoing & Personable,out spoken,Must be Reliable.
Read OP. Clue number 5!
Payment Policy;
As part of my working policy and ethics,I receive part payment from any client before I proceed with any job and balance immediately after the shooting.
Clue number 6! NEVER SEND THEM MONEY! SCAM!
That is indeed a scam just another variation of the one I posted originally.
mikell wrote:
some of them aren't that sophisticated
some of them are
but don't assume they're idiots
these scams work for them or they wouldn't continue to do them
I know this, also I realise replying with that probably wasn't the best way. Late night, tired forum posting bad idea. Noted!
Your very right. However it may not always be the fact the scammer is crafty enough. It's the person being scammed not having the common sense to be suspicious of it! It works both ways and always changes. So you can't solely blame one side, ever.
Word of advice - if it sounds too good to be true, it is!
Contact A Mod (under Info) if you get a message that is suspicious, don't reply to it, send a CAM and give us all the information in the message including the persons MM#.
Selena Carter wrote: I back SLE up all the way. I've read through alot of the articles amongst others and they are all really helpful.
The reason I posted up the full message was so that the "newbies" could see what was actually being said in detail and so that I could point out the bits that should jump out at you when you read them. Just to give that extra little bit of help.
Though your intent is to help, as SLE has stated over, and over, and over, posting the total text of these scam emails does more harm than good!
This scamer guy keeps emailing me I told him I know he's a scam. Hes angry now because I outted him. LOL what ever!
I work for a bank in the Risk Management Division we know about all these scams and advise customers to not cash these checks.
291
Posts: 11,911
SEQUOIA NATIONAL PARK, California, US
-Jen- wrote: Please quit posting the whole scam.
Flex Photography wrote: Though your intent is to help, as SLE has stated over, and over, and over, posting the total text of these scam emails does more harm than good!
i've often wondered why this is considered wrong. so i'll ask why and just what is the harm? how else would things like grammar, project or payment anomalies come to be recognized when the text is stripped?
as we have seen over time there are many new variations of these scams that pop up and by posting the scam text it can give confirmation to those who receive the same. we've seen that in this thread, and without the text it leaves unaware members...just as unaware and left to wonder without any additional confirmation.
for those who are aware, it only takes a cursory glance, but with that it can bring to light new methods of scam attack. it also makes one wonder if the full text wasn't posted at one point in time way back when for those who can immediately recognize a scam attempt, just how they became astute enough to recognize the scam. the short answer is they were able to read the text that has given ability to recognize even the better crafted attempts.
as new members aren't given any proper method of identifying scams upon their entry, it would seem more appropriate to provide a primer lesson before it even gets to the point of them posting in the forums. then again, such failure in logic...goes to those who post the scam and say, "what's up with this?"
291 wrote: i've often wondered why this is considered wrong. so i'll ask why and just what is the harm? how else would things like grammar, project or payment anomalies come to be recognized when the text is stripped?
as we have seen over time there are many new variations of these scams that pop up and by posting the scam text it can give confirmation to those who receive the same. we've seen that in this thread, and without the text it leaves unaware members...just as unaware and left to wonder without any additional confirmation.
for those who are aware, it only takes a cursory glance, but with that it can bring to light new methods of scam attack. it also makes one wonder if the full text wasn't posted at one point in time way back when for those who can immediately recognize a scam attempt, just how they became astute enough to recognize the scam. the short answer is they were able to read the text that has given ability to recognize even the better crafted attempts.
as new members aren't given any proper method of identifying scams upon their entry, it would seem more appropriate to provide a primer lesson before it even gets to the point of them posting in the forums. then again, such failure in logic...goes to those who post the scam and say, "what's up with this?"
There're a couple of issues there. The main one is that people look at them & fixate on the name in that scam, or particular details like it being UK Fashion Week, or a GQ shoot or whatnot, and never gain ANY understanding of how the business (and, conversely, the scam) works. So you'll see in a thread where people just post the text over & over "Oh, I got one of those, but the one *I* got was from REAL MAGAZINE X, so MINE must be legit!"
Another issue is short attention spans, and when people post ALL of the body of some of the long ones, especially the parts with all the lines for model stats & such, other people are FAR more likely to only read the first little bit & not scroll to see whether it's been debunked or find any real advice on how to spot them.
And finally, the scammers DO watch for discussions about things & do these in waves. If they see that a lot of people are posting about "UK Fashion week" they swap the text until the other drops out of the search engine. At that point also refer back to point 1.
Generally if people just post "Hey, I got this offer from X to do X, it sounds great, but is it real?" their question can be answered more effectively.
291
Posts: 11,911
SEQUOIA NATIONAL PARK, California, US
SLE Photography wrote: There're a couple of issues there. The main one is that people look at them & fixate on the name in that scam, or particular details like it being UK Fashion Week, or a GQ shoot or whatnot, and never gain ANY understanding of how the business (and, conversely, the scam) works. So you'll see in a thread where people just post the text over & over "Oh, I got one of those, but the one *I* got was from REAL MAGAZINE X, so MINE must be legit!"
i think you're making assumptions. more often than not there are several flags mentioned regarding the text. that's how people learn. how did you learn about what to watch for without knowing the content of the scam?
SLE Photography wrote: Another issue is short attention spans, and when people post ALL of the body of some of the long ones, especially the parts with all the lines for model stats & such, other people are FAR more likely to only read the first little bit & not scroll to see whether it's been debunked or find any real advice on how to spot them.
is there evidence of that? where are scrolling habits defined? i think there is proably more evidence of those posting the scam only to later come back to the thread and say, "ok, thanks for the info."
SLE Photography wrote: And finally, the scammers DO watch for discussions about things & do these in waves. If they see that a lot of people are posting about "UK Fashion week" they swap the text until the other drops out of the search engine. At that point also refer back to point 1.
from where is this knowledge gained about scammers patrolling discussions? could it be they strike based on a calendar of events? or those they perceive as easy marks such as those who are dream seekers? either way, without the content of the scam how are members able to stay on top of new methods? as well, wouldn't full disclosure act equally against those scamming coming up in related keyword search as it might to their benefit?
SLE Photography wrote: Generally if people just post "Hey, I got this offer from X to do X, it sounds great, but is it real?" their question can be answered more effectively.
to which many will reply, "not enough 411 to provide an accurate reply." effective answers are best given when there is more, not less information provided.
SLE Photography wrote: There're a couple of issues there. The main one is that people look at them & fixate on the name in that scam, or particular details like it being UK Fashion Week, or a GQ shoot or whatnot, and never gain ANY understanding of how the business (and, conversely, the scam) works. So you'll see in a thread where people just post the text over & over "Oh, I got one of those, but the one *I* got was from REAL MAGAZINE X, so MINE must be legit!"
i think you're making assumptions. more often than not there are several flags mentioned regarding the text. that's how people learn. how did you learn about what to watch for without knowing the content of the scam?
SLE Photography wrote: Another issue is short attention spans, and when people post ALL of the body of some of the long ones, especially the parts with all the lines for model stats & such, other people are FAR more likely to only read the first little bit & not scroll to see whether it's been debunked or find any real advice on how to spot them.
is there evidence of that? where are scrolling habits defined? i think there is proably more evidence of those posting the scam only to later come back to the thread and say, "ok, thanks for the info."
from where is this knowledge gained about scammers patrolling discussions? could it be they strike based on a calendar of events? either way, without the content of the scam how are members able to stay on top of new methods? as well, wouldn't full disclosure act equally against those scamming coming up in related keyword search as it might to their benefit?
to which many will reply, "not enough 411 to provide an accurate reply." effective answers are best given when there is more, not less information provided.
I seriously think it's high time that moderators take control of this rather than the MM community pushing threads to 3-5 pages each time a new user comes here warning of a scam. If a newbie posts a scam warning, a moderator could lock the thread, making a note that it's an old scam, email the newbie with the appropriate info and we could go along our happy browsing without the 2,386,000 scam warnings each week.
Jinkx Hull
Posts: 54
Kingston upon Hull, England, United Kingdom
FlirtynFun Photography wrote: I seriously think it's high time that moderators take control of this rather than the MM community pushing threads to 3-5 pages each time a new user comes here warning of a scam. If a newbie posts a scam warning, a moderator could lock the thread, making a note that it's an old scam, email the newbie with the appropriate info and we could go along our happy browsing without the 2,386,000 scam warnings each week.
FYI upon reading this post, I contacted the FBI. They said if you've experienced something similar to this call the Federal Trade Commission at (877)438-4338. Additionally, be sure to contact all 3 Credit Bureaus -- at least to protect your identity.
please someone help I am really worried I too got the same scammer and from reading what people received in emails I too received the same one but was too silly to realise it was a scam at first and it all seemed so legit I gave out my name and my boyfriends address and my phone number what should I do I am so scared I had a feeling from the start it was too good to be true but obv didnât realise it really was and now after researching into it and seeing all this and how it is a big scam I donât know what to do I feel this person is going to use my details what of I get some huge bill for a studio they claim they had booked me in for I donât know what to do please can somebody help with some advice !!
Louise Willis wrote: please someone help I am really worried I too got the same scammer and from reading what people received in emails I too received the same one but was too silly to realise it was a scam at first and it all seemed so legit I gave out my name and my boyfriends address and my phone number what should I do I am so scared I had a feeling from the start it was too good to be true but obv didnât realise it really was and now after researching into it and seeing all this and how it is a big scam I donât know what to do I feel this person is going to use my details what of I get some huge bill for a studio they claim they had booked me in for I donât know what to do please can somebody help with some advice !!
If you get emails from them, just delete them, DO NOT REPLY. Since you gave an address, not too sure what to tell you, except, if you receive checks or money orders, do not deposit them in your bank account.
Kasumi_Harada wrote: I am thinking I should write a program to filter these types of scams. I am 1-week old here and have gotten the same emails 3 times already!
Most major programs email programs have this software, nothing new. You are the one that has to turn it on and use it effectively.
one of my models just contact me about this, i tried the mm#, didnt work, i googled his name and model mayhem and voila, found this page. obviously its a scam. she got emails, just like all of these. nothing new. but she also said he called her...
im just throwing out that extra bit of info as I dont see anything about actual phone calls being made here, just emails and poorly written bullshit.
More on that phone call from the spammer Henry. She actually forwarded me the voice mail the man (Henry) left. It was very poor quality, horrible English, horribly spoken, he sounds middle eastern. Her ID says its from AZ. There was a loud beep before he ever spoke.
The number was 603 267 0037. I Googled it just now and didn't find anything specific about it. Just more information to be aware of.
Xerxes Photography HI wrote: one of my models just contact me about this, i tried the mm#, didnt work, i googled his name and model mayhem and voila, found this page. obviously its a scam. she got emails, just like all of these. nothing new. but she also said he called her...
im just throwing out that extra bit of info as I dont see anything about actual phone calls being made here, just emails and poorly written bullshit.
How could the scammer possibly get her phone #?
Edit: I just read the post a couple up and now I know how.
Angelina Padilla wrote: FYI upon reading this post, I contacted the FBI. They said if you've experienced something similar to this call the Federal Trade Commission at (877)438-4338. Additionally, be sure to contact all 3 Credit Bureaus -- at least to protect your identity.
I guess they are cut and pasting the words from this same scam. Cee Dee Pfotos contacted me on MM and offered the same scam but it was from Harry Giles.
I was offered another deal that was too good to be true not long after getting on MM. I was offered $100 per hour to wrestle 20 year old hotties. I was supposed to let them win by choking me out with their bare little hottie legs. Ok, I showed up. I wrestled the hottie and when I was done the photog handed me a $100 bill. He asked me back 3 more times and each time handed me a $100 bill. That's $400 I made soon after joining MM.
So when the Harry Giles scam hit me, I was a little off guard. I knew it sounded like a scam, but figured if they don't try to get me to send them any money, I'll see where it goes.
So I finally got around to googling Melissa-Beth Designer and saw the posting of it being a scam. Since the scammers now had my email address, my phone number and physical address, I decided I would have a little fun with it (I know, not reccommended, but I can't help myself). I made one final email communication to Harrygiles@a0l.com. Here's what I said,
"Harry, I know this is going to sound unprofessional, but I had to move today unexpectedly. My new address is 1600 Pennsylvania Ave,
Washington DC
It's my brothers house. Can you just send the money orders there? My email address is being shut down because of lack of payment. So I could really use the money. I sold my lap top and the guy is coming to pick it up today.
I also had to let my cell phone number go too because I don't have the money to keep it going.
Uuuhh, do you think I should warn the pres.? He's not going to fall for this is he?
Actually, I don't expect there to be any result from this last reply. I don't think a human is actually reading any of these replies to the attempted scam. I think it's a computer software program that is literally dealing with thousands of potential scamees. I think it is also doing a constant search of the last name it used (such as Harrygiles) and the keyword "scam" before it changes to a new name. I think the human steps in at the point of mailing the money orders after the adress, phone number, email address has been confirmed for the second time.
So my computer is dealing with the Nigerian scammer robot by sending it's Nigerian scam to join up with all the other Nigerian scam that is constantly being sent to me.
Selena Carter wrote: I am putting this message up because I searched the forums and couldn't find this scam in them and I wanted to warn people.
These common scams are a lot like flakes in that everyone feels like they're the only victim the first time it happens to them, but of course we've heard about it many times before.
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