Chaya Phally wrote:
Did a scammer(s) contact you through MM? If so, report them to MM as soon as possible. MM hates scammers. Thanks!

this person has messaged me to ..

moet abebe wrote:
hey... i unfortunately emailed him back and now I AM WORRIED... wat do I do?

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By replying to the scammer's email, you confirmed your email address, which the scammer will sell to many, many other scammers.

Delete and change your email address.

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Dominic-Lloyd Goodman wrote:
I got the same message and replied to see what he would say and this is the next message he said.

It's really irrelevant.  All that will happen now is that you'll get more scam mail.  Read the links in the posts on page 1, it's all you need to know about this.

Aoxomedia wrote:
Now we've got the scam out of the way, welcome to MM.

(Wasn't sure if that was aimed at me or La Little Girl above you.) If it was aimed at me then thank you very much

moet abebe wrote:
hey... i unfortunately emailed him back and now I AM WORRIED... wat do I do?

Answer:

RSM-images wrote:
By replying to the scammer's email, you confirmed your email address, which the scammer will sell to many, many other scammers.

Delete and change your email address.

+10000000000... ect ect ect.

brandonbrown wrote:
I got a very similar message from harry giles, he told me to email him at [email protected].  this guy is an idiot

Yeah. Most of them are.

Selena Carter wrote:

Yeah. Most of them are.

some of them aren't that sophisticated
some of them are
but don't assume they're idiots
these scams work for them or they wouldn't continue to do them

brandonbrown wrote:
I got a very similar message from harry giles, he told me to email him at [email protected].  this guy is an idiot

Remember, the name doesn't mean much, heck one day it might be your name.  They make names up.  Your best friend is the delete button.

Rosely Pinares wrote:
hello this is a scam correct ???

I've a client.
Clue number 1!

your pay for the job will be $2,800.
Clue number 2!

Job details
You have 12 different Fashion outfits to cover,which would be provided by our client on the day of the shooting.
Read the OP. Clue number 3!

The total pay for the jobs is $2,800 and you get $600 upfront as your part payment before the shooting.
Clue number 4!

Requirements;
Very Attractive,Classy,In Great Shape,Extremely Outgoing & Personable,out spoken,Must be Reliable.
Read OP. Clue number 5!

Payment Policy;
As part of my working policy and ethics,I receive part payment from any client before I proceed with any job and balance immediately after the shooting.
Clue number 6! NEVER SEND THEM MONEY! SCAM!

That is indeed a scam just another variation of the one I posted originally.

mikell wrote:

some of them aren't that sophisticated
some of them are
but don't assume they're idiots
these scams work for them or they wouldn't continue to do them

I know this, also I realise replying with that probably wasn't the best way. Late night, tired forum posting bad idea. Noted!

Your very right. However it may not always be the fact the scammer is crafty enough. It's the person being scammed not having the common sense to be suspicious of it! It works both ways and always changes. So you can't solely blame one side, ever.

Rosely Pinares wrote:
hello this is a scam correct ???



Frank

you're 5'4", not exactly Fashion height. What do you think?

Selena Carter wrote:
I back SLE up all the way. I've read through alot of the articles amongst others and they are all really helpful.

The reason I posted up the full message was so that the "newbies" could see what was actually being said in detail and so that I could point out the bits that should jump out at you when you read them. Just to give that extra little bit of help.

Though your intent is to help, as SLE has stated over, and over, and over, posting the total text of these scam emails does more harm than good!

Also when replying, don't quote the whole text!

-Jen- wrote:
Please quit posting the whole scam.

Flex Photography wrote:
Though your intent is to help, as SLE has stated over, and over, and over, posting the total text of these scam emails does more harm than good!

i've often wondered why this is considered wrong.  so i'll ask why and just what is the harm?  how else would things like grammar, project or payment anomalies come to be recognized when the text is stripped?

as we have seen over time there are many new variations of these scams that pop up and by posting the scam text it can give confirmation to those who receive the same.  we've seen that in this thread, and without the text it leaves unaware members...just as unaware and left to wonder without any additional confirmation. 

for those who are aware, it only takes a cursory glance, but with that it can bring to light new methods of scam attack.  it also makes one wonder if the full text wasn't posted at one point in time way back when for those who can immediately recognize a scam attempt, just how they became astute enough to recognize the scam.  the short answer is they were able to read the text that has given ability to recognize even the better crafted attempts.   

as new members aren't given any proper method of identifying scams upon their entry, it would seem more appropriate to provide a primer lesson before it even gets to the point of them posting in the forums.  then again, such failure in logic...goes to those who post the scam and say, "what's up with this?"

291 wrote:
i've often wondered why this is considered wrong.  so i'll ask why and just what is the harm?  how else would things like grammar, project or payment anomalies come to be recognized when the text is stripped?

as we have seen over time there are many new variations of these scams that pop up and by posting the scam text it can give confirmation to those who receive the same.  we've seen that in this thread, and without the text it leaves unaware members...just as unaware and left to wonder without any additional confirmation. 

for those who are aware, it only takes a cursory glance, but with that it can bring to light new methods of scam attack.  it also makes one wonder if the full text wasn't posted at one point in time way back when for those who can immediately recognize a scam attempt, just how they became astute enough to recognize the scam.  the short answer is they were able to read the text that has given ability to recognize even the better crafted attempts.   

as new members aren't given any proper method of identifying scams upon their entry, it would seem more appropriate to provide a primer lesson before it even gets to the point of them posting in the forums.  then again, such failure in logic...goes to those who post the scam and say, "what's up with this?"

There're a couple of issues there.  The main one is that people look at them & fixate on the name in that scam, or particular details like it being UK Fashion Week, or a GQ shoot or whatnot, and never gain ANY understanding of how the business (and, conversely, the scam) works.  So you'll see in a thread where people just post the text over & over "Oh, I got one of those, but the one *I* got was from REAL MAGAZINE X, so MINE must be legit!"

Another issue is short attention spans, and when people post ALL of the body of some of the long ones, especially the parts with all the lines for model stats & such, other people are FAR more likely to only read the first little bit & not scroll to see whether it's been debunked or find any real advice on how to spot them.

And finally, the scammers DO watch for discussions about things & do these in waves.  If they see that a lot of people are posting about "UK Fashion week" they swap the text until the other drops out of the search engine.  At that point also refer back to point 1.

Generally if people just post "Hey, I got this offer from X to do X, it sounds great, but is it real?" their question can be answered more effectively.

SLE Photography wrote:
There're a couple of issues there.  The main one is that people look at them & fixate on the name in that scam, or particular details like it being UK Fashion Week, or a GQ shoot or whatnot, and never gain ANY understanding of how the business (and, conversely, the scam) works.  So you'll see in a thread where people just post the text over & over "Oh, I got one of those, but the one *I* got was from REAL MAGAZINE X, so MINE must be legit!"

i think you're making assumptions.  more often than not there are several flags mentioned regarding the text.  that's how people learn.  how did you learn about what to watch for without knowing the content of the scam?

SLE Photography wrote:
Another issue is short attention spans, and when people post ALL of the body of some of the long ones, especially the parts with all the lines for model stats & such, other people are FAR more likely to only read the first little bit & not scroll to see whether it's been debunked or find any real advice on how to spot them.

is there evidence of that?  where are scrolling habits defined?  i think there is proably more evidence of those posting the scam only to later come back to the thread and say, "ok, thanks for the info."

SLE Photography wrote:
And finally, the scammers DO watch for discussions about things & do these in waves.  If they see that a lot of people are posting about "UK Fashion week" they swap the text until the other drops out of the search engine.  At that point also refer back to point 1.

from where is this knowledge gained about scammers patrolling discussions?  could it be they strike based on a calendar of events?  or those they perceive as easy marks such as those who are dream seekers?  either way, without the content of the scam how are members able to stay on top of new methods?  as well, wouldn't full disclosure act equally against those scamming coming up in related keyword search as it might to their benefit? 

SLE Photography wrote:
Generally if people just post "Hey, I got this offer from X to do X, it sounds great, but is it real?" their question can be answered more effectively.

to which many will reply, "not enough 411 to provide an accurate reply."  effective answers are best given when there is more, not less information provided.

291 wrote:

SLE Photography wrote:
There're a couple of issues there.  The main one is that people look at them & fixate on the name in that scam, or particular details like it being UK Fashion Week, or a GQ shoot or whatnot, and never gain ANY understanding of how the business (and, conversely, the scam) works.  So you'll see in a thread where people just post the text over & over "Oh, I got one of those, but the one *I* got was from REAL MAGAZINE X, so MINE must be legit!"

i think you're making assumptions.  more often than not there are several flags mentioned regarding the text.  that's how people learn.  how did you learn about what to watch for without knowing the content of the scam?

SLE Photography wrote:
Another issue is short attention spans, and when people post ALL of the body of some of the long ones, especially the parts with all the lines for model stats & such, other people are FAR more likely to only read the first little bit & not scroll to see whether it's been debunked or find any real advice on how to spot them.

is there evidence of that?  where are scrolling habits defined?  i think there is proably more evidence of those posting the scam only to later come back to the thread and say, "ok, thanks for the info."


from where is this knowledge gained about scammers patrolling discussions?  could it be they strike based on a calendar of events?  either way, without the content of the scam how are members able to stay on top of new methods?  as well, wouldn't full disclosure act equally against those scamming coming up in related keyword search as it might to their benefit? 


to which many will reply, "not enough 411 to provide an accurate reply."  effective answers are best given when there is more, not less information provided.

I seriously think it's high time that moderators take control of this rather than the MM community pushing threads to 3-5 pages each time a new user comes here warning of a scam. If a newbie posts a scam warning, a moderator could lock the thread, making a note that it's an old scam, email the newbie with the appropriate info and we could go along our happy browsing without the 2,386,000 scam warnings each week.

FlirtynFun Photography wrote:
I seriously think it's high time that moderators take control of this rather than the MM community pushing threads to 3-5 pages each time a new user comes here warning of a scam. If a newbie posts a scam warning, a moderator could lock the thread, making a note that it's an old scam, email the newbie with the appropriate info and we could go along our happy browsing without the 2,386,000 scam warnings each week.

+1

bloody good plan!

However until that happens it is left to us.

Louise Willis wrote:
please someone help I am really worried I too got the same scammer and from reading what people received in emails I too received the same one but was too silly to realise it was a scam at first and it all seemed so legit I gave out my name and my boyfriends address and my phone number what should I do I am so scared I had a feeling from the start it was too good to be true but obv didn’t realise it really was and now after researching into it and seeing all this and how it is a big scam I don’t know what to do I feel this person is going to use my details what of I get some huge bill for a studio they claim they had booked me in for I don’t know what to do please can somebody help with some advice !!

If you get emails from them, just delete them, DO NOT REPLY.  Since you gave an address, not too sure what to tell you, except, if you receive checks or money orders, do not deposit them in your bank account.

Kasumi_Harada wrote:
I am thinking I should write a program to filter these types of scams. I am 1-week old here and have gotten the same emails 3 times already!

Most major programs email programs have this software, nothing new.  You are the one that has to turn it on and use it effectively.

Xerxes Photography HI wrote:
one of my models just contact me about this, i tried the mm#, didnt work, i googled his name and model mayhem and voila, found this page. obviously its a scam. she got emails, just like all of these. nothing new. but she also said he called her...

im just throwing out that extra bit of info as I dont see anything about actual phone calls being made here, just emails and poorly written bullshit.

How could the scammer possibly get her phone #?
Edit: I just read the post a couple up and now I know how.

Angelina Padilla wrote:
FYI upon reading this post, I contacted the FBI. They said if you've experienced something similar to this call the Federal Trade Commission at (877)438-4338. Additionally, be sure to contact all 3 Credit Bureaus -- at least to protect your identity.

I will add this note to the thread https://www.modelmayhem.com/po.php?thread_id=575330

Selena Carter wrote:
I am putting this message up because I searched the forums and couldn't find this scam in them and I wanted to warn people.

These common scams are a lot like flakes in that everyone feels like they're the only victim the first time it happens to them, but of course we've heard about it many times before.