Christina__Smith wrote:
Im not really sure i understand the disdain for the dreaded escorts.... ive met a lot of photographers who really dont mind...and if it makes the model feel more secure wont the photos be better??? Help me understand

to quote M5, "non-essential personnel."

Kelly Coopman wrote:
Quote: "I will always bring an escort, he or she will not interfere in anyway with the shoot.  Nothing personal, but one can't be too safe."




If I read this line of bullshit one more time Im going to explode!!!!!

having an "escort" on set is like bringing your child to work. Do you really think you're concentrating on what's in front of you, when you have someone else to consider?

Christina__Smith wrote:
Im not really sure i understand the disdain for the dreaded escorts.... ive met a lot of photographers who really dont mind...and if it makes the model feel more secure wont the photos be better??? Help me understand

The model needs to gain trust in her photographer, her make up artist and stylist.

If they have an escort around they tend to trust their opinion on things,  over the rest of the crew.

Which means taking out the time to explain every decision you make on things.

Most escorts get bored after awhile or feel they need a purpose in being there and usually invent things to do and make decisions on things that are not theirs to make.

Christina__Smith wrote:
Im not really sure i understand the disdain for the dreaded escorts.... ive met a lot of photographers who really dont mind...and if it makes the model feel more secure wont the photos be better??? Help me understand

tell me this...do you bring an escort into your doctor's appointment, or operating room, or hair appointment, or better yet, your dates with your "boy-friend(s)"? You don't think that these are people who could cause you harm or whatever?  What about the "escort" being in the way of the professionals doing their job? Why does a photographer need to be concerned with what your extra limbs are up to?

Kelly Coopman wrote:
If I read this line of bullshit one more time Im going to explode!!!!!

The ability to foresee one's own demise is a uniquely human trait.


If you're serious, put your affairs in order.  You WILL see this line of bullshit again.


(This is cool . . . sorta like a Gallagher concert . . . should we be getting sheets of plastic to hide behind?)

Christina__Smith wrote:
Im not really sure i understand the disdain for the dreaded escorts.... ive met a lot of photographers who really dont mind...and if it makes the model feel more secure wont the photos be better??? Help me understand

No, no, no, and NO

Lucas Chapman wrote:

No, no, no, and NO

maybe there should the following in a commercial shoot
photography by:
MUA
Stylist
Model
Escort:

Christina__Smith wrote:
Im not really sure i understand the disdain for the dreaded escorts.... ive met a lot of photographers who really dont mind...and if it makes the model feel more secure wont the photos be better??? Help me understand

Who is making the photographer feel more secure, now that it's at least two against one with this other random person there?

Oh wait, I forgot, photographers might be crazed murderers, thieves, perverts, or otherwise undesirable to be alone with... but naive models and their possessive boyfriends, I mean escorts, never are.

Kelly Coopman wrote:
Quote: "I will always bring an escort, he or she will not interfere in anyway with the shoot.  Nothing personal, but one can't be too safe."

Do they ever consider the safety of the photographer's person and equipment?

The more people at a shoot, the greater the risk to the photographer.

Sita Mae wrote:
Listen up, people, for I have a crazy, innovative, never-before-seen suggestion!

Why don't we all just work with the people who have similar goals and outlooks to our own, and pass on the people we think are dumb?

Yah?  Good?  Problem solved?

Good.

shush you, and your perfect logic...

Christina__Smith wrote:
Im not really sure i understand the disdain for the dreaded escorts.... ive met a lot of photographers who really dont mind...and if it makes the model feel more secure wont the photos be better??? Help me understand

If it makes the photographer feel less secure, won't the photos be worse?

Kelly Coopman wrote:
Quote: "I will always bring an escort, he or she will not interfere in anyway with the shoot.  Nothing personal, but one can't be too safe."

What if the photographer promises not to harm the model?  Who's promise is more believable?

Mark Salo wrote:

If it makes the photographer feel less secure, won't the photos be worse?

AMAZING point MARK!
Well done! problem solved! muahaha
-Bre Hayden

beauty spot productions wrote:

The model needs to gain trust in her photographer, her make up artist and stylist.

If they have an escort around they tend to trust their opinion on things,  over the rest of the crew.

Which means taking out the time to explain every decision you make on things.

Most escorts get bored after awhile or feel they need a purpose in being there and usually invent things to do and make decisions on things that are not theirs to make.

beauty spot productions wrote:

The model needs to gain trust in her photographer, her make up artist and stylist.

If they have an escort around they tend to trust their opinion on things,  over the rest of the crew.

Which means taking out the time to explain every decision you make on things.

Most escorts get bored after awhile or feel they need a purpose in being there and usually invent things to do and make decisions on things that are not theirs to make.

I have had 2 shoots which were going good, building up to a really good shoot when the escorts became bored and talked the models into quitting early.  On one of them I had traveled 250 miles (one way) , spent the night in a motel and bought a $250 roaring 20's outfit to fit the model.  Never again!

pullins photography wrote:

maybe there should the following in a commercial shoot
photography by:
MUA
Stylist
Model
Escort:

Better yet! MM Escort profiles.

That way you could check references on the "ex-con" boyfriend escort before you deliver $20,000 worth of equipment right to him.

You could read thru their tags... "Great having you at the shoot yesterday! You were very unobtrusive and I still have all of my equipment!"

PashaPhoto wrote:
aha, aha...  yes...

keep going, people... keep going

haha
Not another escort thread!

C D Miller wrote:

Better yet! MM Escort profiles.

That way you could check references on the "ex-con" boyfriend escort before you deliver $20,000 worth of equipment right to him.

You could read thru their tags... "Great having you at the shoot yesterday! You were very unobtrusive and I still have all of my equipment!"

I swear, people can turn a simple half day endeavor into a production worthy of a CIA operation. All of this, "escorts" "references" and other blah blah blah is insane. Folks don't do this when they go out for their first date (and if they did, the divorce rate might be lower). Why all this investment in time for something which has such a small impact upon the totality of one's life?

FotoFun wrote:
I wonder if you realise that the president brings an escort, and he is not even taking his clothes off?

he has several and a plane and a chauffered driven car...and if I get to photograph someone of that note, then they can bring whomever they want.

pullins photography wrote:

he has several and a plane and a chauffered driven car...and if I get to photograph someone of that note, then they can bring whomever they want.

oh and BTW..."escorts" are not allowed into operating rooms..even for the man who has "escorts"

C D Miller wrote:
Better yet! MM Escort profiles.

That way you could check references on the "ex-con" boyfriend escort before you deliver $20,000 worth of equipment right to him.

You could read thru their tags... "Great having you at the shoot yesterday! You were very unobtrusive and I still have all of my equipment!"

+1

Maggie Jay wrote:
My husband turned into my photographer's assistant at my last shoot, ha. He was also instrumental in getting me to genuinely smile, I still get camera shy...

At any rate, I usually don't feel the need for escorts. I'm a big girl and can handle myself. If it made the photographer feel awkward I certainly would skip it. (I always let them know if someone might tag along and check to make sure it's okay.)

why would someone "tag" along to begin with is the real question? Don't these people have lives and more important things to do other than spend time watching what you do? *and that's for everyone who is "escorted: I don't get it