NothingIsRealButTheGirl wrote:
Let me know when Canon finally gets D3s level high ISO performance.

Maybe I'll switch.

Way to derail the thread lol... and I think this was a pro nikon thread. Jeez.

Jason Bassett wrote:
Way to derail the thread lol... and I think this was a pro nikon thread. Jeez.

You think bolting a Canon camera onto a Nikon is anything but an anti-Nikon joke thread in the professional forums?

NothingIsRealButTheGirl wrote:

You think bolting a Canon camera onto a Nikon is anything but an anti-Nikon joke thread in the professional forums?

no joke. the greater point is that one can shoot stills and video simultaneously, whether it is nikon-canon or canon-canon or canon-sony or sony-canon or any combo thereof.

Has anyone tried anything like this in any of the following scenarios? from: http://www.diyphotography.net/a-diy-9sh … -audio-too

1) Shooting swimsuit models! (or any models for that matter) the model's time is valuable and hard drives and SD cards are cheap! let the video track your every shot throughout a 2 hour shoot, and you will have lots of cool video! more than enough for a two minute or ten minute video!

2) Shooting weddings -- Imagine shooting a two hour wedding, and then being able to offer your clients a ten minute wedding video set to Beethoven, tracking the entire wedding from all the best angles. Yes I know many people say that for weddings you want to shoot a lot of portrait shots, so go ahead and rotate the camera! Sure the video will be sideways, but you can discard a lot footage out of a two hour shoot and still have an awesome ten minute video which would add a lot of value, or hey--use some sideways video to make people laugh. Or crop portrait shots in post from the landscapes -- if you shoot with the 5d they will still be huge. And I am working on a portrait-orientation mount.

3) Shooting sports/ action/ track meets/surfers! I also use the 9 shooter with a monopod with the 9 shooter oriented in the S configuration to shoot surfers. using a canon 7d with a zoom and an HFS200 zoomed in full on the distant surfer, one can shoot continuous stills of the surfer, and the HFS200 naturally tracks them! in fact, in this case, the canon 7d acts as a natural spotting scope for the canon HFS100 / HFS 200 which don't have optical viewfinders. so it's actually easier to shoot video! just think of your canon 7d & zoom as a $2,000 spotting scope. for your $1,000 HFS 200. Will upload the footage soon!

4) Photojournalism: If you are covering an event, why not leave the video running the whole time you are shooting stills?

5) Documentaries: These days the DSLRs shoot video too, so one could go into an interview armed with the power to shoot both stills and two sources of video simultaneously, benefiting from the better audio controls of the canon HFS 10/HFS 200. And too, the HN40 audio system and other mics could be mounted on the nine shooter.

6) Travel: If you're traveling around Paris for a few hours, why not concentrate on getting both awesome video and photography? Now and then you can stop photographing and focus on the videoing only, and vice versa, as the occasion warrants.

7) Real Estate Photography: Imagine if you became the photographer in your community known for shooting both video and photography of all the homes! Real Estate Agents would love you! And with just a bit more time, you could increase revenues.

8) Paparazzi: Imagine how much better TMZ/Perez Hilton/E! would be if all their photographers/videographers had nine shooters! (I actually never go by these sites, but know some people who do, out here in LA)

9) Audio! A camera shutter makes a lot of noise, so why not mount a remote mic close to the action--perhaps on the bride or groom at a wedding or on the speaker at a lecture--with the radio receiver mounted on your 9shooter and plugged into your camera or audio recorder.

10) Everything! So often in the visual arts the moment happens once and is gone forever. Now you have a better way of immortalizing it in both stills and videos. Mount lights, monitors, mics, flashes, receivers, recorders, and more! The 9shooter keeps your flash bracket free, and/or too, it could be mounted atop your camera.

--http://www.diyphotography.net/a-diy-9shooter-shooting-stills-video-simultaneously-audio-too

NothingIsRealButTheGirl wrote:
Let me know when Canon finally gets D3s level high ISO performance.

Maybe I'll switch.

Yes, you have sooooooo many images in your port where you've used this.  Wheew.  Good thing you have this feature.

SoCo n Lime wrote:
stick to taking pics lol

well it was inspired in part by the direction the industry is moving in, where more and more clients are requesting/demanding video.  i blog about these trends here: http://9shooter.blogspot.com

"From the luminous landscape website:
Chris Sandberg

    I attended a lecture/slide show/presentation by photographer Sam Abell last week, as part of the National Geographic Live! season in Minneapolis. Mr. Abell has had a 25-year career shooting for National Geographic, and he was asked what an aspiring young photographer who wanted to follow in his footsteps should do, He responded that the National Geographic now looks to only hire still photographers who are also video-trained! His advice was that young photographers should be sure they are versed in both disciplines.
    So, we may be seeing not only the tip of the iceberg on the technology side, but truly a convergence on the artistic side, as well."

Great issue of DIGITAL SLR PHOTOGRAPHY magazine from the UK on the stands right now!!! "pros will be eventually expected to deliver web-worthy package of movies and stills."

Check out the very last page where Caroline Wilikinson writes:

“…. HD video is slowly entering the marketplace as standard in DSLRs and pros will be eventually expected to deliver web-worthy package of movies and stills. There are already examples of where stills and moves have been merged. For instance, have you noticed the moving magazine covers or corporate portraits on website? Video is already starting to take the place of pictures on news provider’s websites too. It was always said a picture is worth a thousand words, well now you can get 24 frames-per-second—now that’s a lot more words…."

Clarence Zimmerman wrote:
I'm sure this works WONDERS in portrait mode.

the still photographer in my consistently turns video cameras sideways, hahahaha... I like cameras without video, I have no business shooting video, lol!

ACPhotography wrote:

the still photographer in my consistently turns video cameras sideways, hahahaha... I like cameras without video, I have no business shooting video, lol!

Last year I bought a D300s and I felt like a complete idiot the first time I used it during a shoot. I did a couple quick videos nd when I got them home you can imagine how stupid I felt when I realized I had turned the camera sideways like I was taking a portrait. Duh moment!

Edward Chen wrote:
nope!! but cool idea! after shooting 2 hours, I can feel my arms aching.

Thanks!  I've never gotten sore from shooting for a few hours with it.  The Canon HFS200 camcorder weighs less or as much as a speedlight flash.

The 580EX II weighs 1 lb 2.6 oz (525g) with 4 NiMH batteries installed compared to 1 lb 1.4 oz (490g) for the 580EX (actual tested weights).

The Canon HFS200 camcorder weighs about 1 lb 1 oz with a battery pack.  Usually I also have a mic mounted (the mini senheiser shotgun mic) as well as the flash all on the Canon 5D!

Thank goodness everything is getting smaller and lighter!

I couldn't imagine doing this a year or two ago.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vFb-SvjcMxU

Robert Jewett wrote:

Yes, you have sooooooo many images in your port where you've used this.  Wheew.  Good thing you have this feature.

THANK YOU!!!!!! If I had to hear one more Nikon shooter go on and on about high iso performance when all they do is shoot in the studio or outside with lights, or outside in daylight, I was going to scream.

Its like the Range Rover drivers who brag about the off-road capabilities of their SUVs, when they will only use it to drive to work in the city and to soccer games. WHO THE BLEEP CARES IF SOMETHING HAS A FEATURE THAT YOU DONT USE!

AJP Photography wrote:

THANK YOU!!!!!! If I had to hear one more Nikon shooter go on and on about high iso performance when all they do is shoot in the studio or outside with lights, or outside in daylight, I was going to scream.

Its like the Range Rover drivers who brag about the off-road capabilities of their SUVs, when they will only use it to drive to work in the city and to soccer games. WHO THE BLEEP CARES IF SOMETHING HAS A FEATURE THAT YOU DONT USE!

High ISO... if your shooting weddings dimly lit churches or night events you need it. Doesn't mean you will post it in your port. I for one need the ISO I shoot the UFC and WEC fighters from San Diego. But you wont see me postsing it in my port. MM is about sexy...you can deny it all you want but i'll be conservative and say 85% of MM pictures in ports are either lingerie, sexy swim wear, high fashion nudes/partial nude, artistic nude, erotic or fetish. So yea you won't see high ISO much on MM. Get over it. Canon is good Nikon is good. But both are good in different ways.

AJP Photography wrote:
THANK YOU!!!!!! If I had to hear one more Nikon shooter go on and on about high iso performance when all they do is shoot in the studio or outside with lights, or outside in daylight, I was going to scream.

Its like the Range Rover drivers who brag about the off-road capabilities of their SUVs, when they will only use it to drive to work in the city and to soccer games. WHO THE BLEEP CARES IF SOMETHING HAS A FEATURE THAT YOU DONT USE!

I frequently use ISO 3200 or 6400 on my D700 for bands, stage & fashion shows. Frequently I'd like to go higher to get more keepers by being able to cope with subject motion. Only one example in my portfolio here since bands and stage show images are not appropriate for here. Who's to say that NothingIsRealButTheGirl is not in a similar position. There are some photographers on here who do other genres of photography than just models.

2020 Visions wrote:

High ISO... if your shooting weddings dimly lit churches or night events you need it. Doesn't mean you will post it in your port. I for one need the ISO I shoot the UFC and WEC fighters from San Diego. But you wont see me postsing it in my port. MM is about sexy...you can deny it all you want but i'll be conservative and say 85% of MM pictures in ports are either lingerie, sexy swim wear, high fashion nudes/partial nude, artistic nude, erotic or fetish. So yea you won't see high ISO much on MM. Get over it. Canon is good Nikon is good. But both are good in different ways.

I am not saying one is better than the other. But I don't see the point of touting advantages that one of them has if you arent using those advantages.

For instance, I switched to Canon from Nikon for video. Now if I didnt shoot ANY video yet always used that as the justification for why Canon is better, then that would be stupid, at least in my use case.

But for Fashion Photographers, high Iso performance beyond that found in a D300s or a 7D/T2i, in my opinion isn't usually that important. How often will MOST fashion photographers need to shoot crisply at iso 6400? usually if I shoot up there it is for a very specific affect (I prefer natural camera grain when I want grain to photoshop grain).

photoimager wrote:

I frequently use ISO 3200 or 6400 on my D700 for bands, stage & fashion shows. Frequently I'd like to go higher to get more keepers by being able to cope with subject motion. Only one example in my portfolio here since bands and stage show images are not appropriate for here. Who's to say that NothingIsRealButTheGirl is not in a similar position. There are some photographers on here who do other genres of photography than just models.

I'll grant you that. I make most of my money in weddings and events, and I shoot Canon and don't find myself lacking for high iso performance (I usually never shoot higher than iso 3200), I just use faster lenses. But I will grant you that for some maybe they need to shoot cleanly at 6400 or higher.

You win!

photoimager wrote:
It's not a case of 'winning', it is a case of balance and 'the right equipment for the job'

NO YOU WIN! And you will accept this win!

NothingIsRealButTheGirl wrote:

You think bolting a Canon camera onto a Nikon is anything but an anti-Nikon joke thread in the professional forums?

+1
better be a joke cuz that shits retarded

Robert Jewett wrote:

Yes, you have sooooooo many images in your port where you've used this.  Wheew.  Good thing you have this feature.

Right, because MM obviously contains the sum total of all it's members' work.

Jason Bassett wrote:
All that trouble, no thanks lol. But cool.

Thanks!  It's actually very little trouble.

When one considers all the time a model spends getting ready, and all the money invested in the equipment, and all the time taken out the day to drive out to the location, to set up, and shoot; for minimal extra effort, one all of a sudden has a 3 hour video of the shoot!  When one considers that you shoot once and it lasts forever, it's really no effort at all.

I have shot the last couple of dozen shoots using the device.  It's fun & it gets easier to nail as you practice!

But what really made it cool was Canon adding the dynamic image stabilization on their HD video camcorders.  It is amazing as it slowly tracks any sudden movements.

Robert Jewett wrote:

Yes, you have sooooooo many images in your port where you've used this.  Wheew.  Good thing you have this feature.

I have an album that was shot mostly around EV 0 to EV -1.  Good ISO performance is a good thing to many people.

OUDAME wrote:

+1
better be a joke cuz that shits retarded

no joke!

http://www.diyphotography.net/a-diy-9sh … -audio-too
http://9shooter.blogspot.com

it's where the industry is headed!

Eastfist wrote:
That's a cumbersome setup.  Why not just get an ultra-HD camcorder (if price wasn't an issue)?

the setup is smaller and way cheaper and less cumbersome than a red.

45surf Photography wrote:

the setup is smaller and way cheaper and less cumbersome than a red.

Wave of the future for the poortographers.  Gotcha.

Eastfist wrote:

Wave of the future for the poortographers.  Gotcha.

how much do the cameras that you are suggesting cost?

a canon 5d mark ii and hfs200 run about $4,000 total.

45surf Photography wrote:

how much do the cameras that you are suggesting cost?

a canon 5d mark ii and hfs200 run about $4,000 total.

There aren't any 2k+ camcorders that I know of that are cheap.  If I knew, I'd own one already

Eastfist wrote:

There aren't any 2k+ camcorders that I know of that are cheap.  If I knew, I'd own one already

also, the stills quality from a 5d mark ii full frame is far better than an hd-dedicated film camera.  and the 5d mark ii is far more ergonomically suitable to stills, so i'm not sure why you said the setup would be more cumbersome with a canon 5d mark ii than a red.  have you shot stills with the red?

45surf Photography wrote:

also, the stills quality from a 5d mark ii full frame is far better than an hd-dedicated film camera.  and the 5d mark ii is far more ergonomically suitable to stills, so i'm not sure why you said the setup would be more cumbersome with a canon 5d mark ii than a red.  have you shot stills with the red?

Me, personally, I would find it cumbersome because it's not one piece and looks heavy.  Did you have to insure your setup?

Eastfist wrote:

Me, personally, I would find it cumbersome because it's not one piece and looks heavy.  Did you have to insure your setup?

Do you mount flashes on your camera?  Or is it too cumbersome to use flash because it is two pieces?   Why would one "have to" insure their own setup?  Insure against what?  Have you held a red and shot stills with it?  Does it being in one piece make it better for stills than a 5d with a flash?

I thought from your first post that you handled reds for stills.  But I have heard they are too cumbersome and expensive and the quality isn't as good as the full frame 5d mark ii or nikon dx3.

Sentimental Treasures wrote:
Cool in theory... but everyone that complained about it missed one key factor... you can't switch to portrait during the shoot... you're stuck in landscape unless you unbolt it.


that alone killed it

i have a quick-flip design too to accommodate the switching from landscape to portrait.

but since i shoot with a 5d mark ii full frame, i can also crop huge portrait shots from a landscape shot.