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RodsHotShots
Posts: 2,413
Blaine, Washington, US


Today I read this article about some ladies who were lookiing for cash and found it at the local art classes. These women never took off their clothes in public before but found the experience easy and enjoyable.

Get this they only get average $12.00 a hour. I mean how much money can they make when these classes only run about 1 hour anyway. But thats ok I guess.

Makes me wonder though why models charge much more to photographers when many takers will do a nude session in front of a large group of artists in a art class for a little more than minimum wage.

Does this make sense to models here?. Would you pose nude if you had a couple hours a week on a consistant basis at $12-$15 per hour?

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Nov 02 10 08:02 pm  Link  Quote 
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Alisyn Carliene
Posts: 11,756
San Bernardino, California, US


I've never been offered that low.. Usually 50-80 or up to 120 is standard at least the offers i've been made for a 2 hr. class.
Nov 02 10 08:04 pm  Link  Quote 
Body Painter
Extreme Body Art
Posts: 4,932
West Jordan, Utah, US


Alisyn Carliene wrote:
I've never been offered that low.. Usually 50-80 or up to 120 is standard at least the offers i've been made for a 2 hr. class.

Really?

The most I have seen an art class pay for posing nude is up to $25/hr... crazy.

That's the wonderful thing of Supply and Demand though... if the artist is no picky, then he/she will not need to pay that much.

Nov 02 10 08:07 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
RodsHotShots
Posts: 2,413
Blaine, Washington, US


Oh.. thats great to hear. Others make more?
Nov 02 10 08:07 pm  Link  Quote 
Model
Poses
Posts: 8,139
Kansas City, Missouri, US


Art classes pay anywhere from $10-25 an hour, depending on the region.  It is frequently steady work, and most classes are about three hours.  Models charge more for photography than for modeling for art classes for a variety of reasons ranging from having to sign a release to simply because they can.
Nov 02 10 08:10 pm  Link  Quote 
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Miss AY
Posts: 8,166
Boston, Massachusetts, US


I think there are more women willing to pose for traditional medium artists, so that drives price down to a certain degree. There's also the value of the end product - the sketches done in most art classes are not going to be sold, or really seen anywhere... so the artists pay very little. A photograph can be sold and profited from.
Nov 02 10 08:11 pm  Link  Quote 
Model
Alisyn Carliene
Posts: 11,756
San Bernardino, California, US


Extreme Body Art wrote:

Really?

The most I have seen an art class pay for posing nude is up to $25/hr... crazy.

That's the wonderful thing of Supply and Demand though... if the artist is no picky, then he/she will not need to pay that much.

i think it depends on location.. cause down here 50 bucks (basically 25 an hour) is pretty low.. of course it's not as low as $12 an hr.

Nov 02 10 08:12 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Dark Shadows
Posts: 2,269
Miami, Florida, US


Models can charge photographers more because the GWC market is willing to pay more. There's not really any more to it then that. Some people talk about releases and photos being sold..........but for the most part the photos are just being put up on MM or other sites and never being sold.
Nov 02 10 08:22 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
afplcc
Posts: 5,999
Fairfax, Virginia, US


I've worked with a number of models who pose for art classes.  While the amount (usually $15-20 an hour in the DC area) seems low, here's why it was so attractive to them:
--it was steady work (especially appreciated during slow months)
--it was often convenient (since they were often near or even on the campus so the "commute" to the job was often a 10 minute walk)
--there was no setup and planning involved, no makeup, no props, no need to do nails or hair before the shoot, basically minimal expenses. 
--it ended up being about the same financially.  One model on MM (who does this work in addition to posing for photographers) told me that for every hour of posing time she gets from MM, she spends an average of three hours online (checking references, responding to requests, working out schedules and directions, coordinating the shoot).  Think about that--that's four hours invested (maybe more if you have to travel) for one hour of pay.  If you get...say...$100 an hour for posing on MM (and I know rates vary with each model--I'm trying to give the high end to illustrate a point) but it's a four hour investment (3 hours online and coordinating with lots of photographers eventually backing out) than that's about $25 an hour for your time averaged out.  But you had to spend 3/4ths of that time online and maybe traveling.  While the figure model for class gets about $15-20 an hour without any of the hassle of being stood up or dealing with photographers who back out at the last minute.  And if you don't get $100 an hour (say, it's more typically $50) for posing for nude shoots than unless you're spending no time with travel and coordination....you can do the math.

--Ed
Nov 02 10 08:29 pm  Link  Quote 
Artist/Painter
Pintor Figurativo
Posts: 416
Guatemala, Guatemala, Guatemala


Supply and demand is right.  I had an instructor who got paid to teach painting $1000/hr in some remote booming oil town in Canada.  He told me that while they paid $20/hr for models at the school where we were, they paid $300/hr to the model at the Canadian school.

Some places the culture is different, more models are comfortable doing so for less and more for the experience at some places. At other places the only way to get someone to drop their clothes is to "show them the money".

Some places are just crazy, a mix of all sorts, Los Angeles is one of them.  Because of the porn and fetish industry, some models will get seriously offended if you suggest anything under $100/hr.  At the same time, there are tons of art schools that pay very little and models eager to do so just for fun.

I've also met models who get offended if you offer to give them money.  Bottom line, there is no standard, there is one of every sort.
Nov 02 10 08:35 pm  Link  Quote 
Artist/Painter
Pintor Figurativo
Posts: 416
Guatemala, Guatemala, Guatemala


Oh, and it greatly depends on the model's and the artist's experience and background.

A model who has only worked with commercial photographers may expect the same amount from an artist or art school for posing nude, even though their ability to pay is different.

Likewise, a commercial artist is more able/willing to pay than a fine artist, even though the model's job is relatively the same.

My uncle, for instance, is a famous painter and professes that he has never paid a model, and models still come knocking at his door.
Nov 02 10 08:43 pm  Link  Quote 
Model
J-O-N-O
Posts: 39
Tampa, Florida, US


I teach figure drawing and painting at colleges.  The rate in our area is between 15-20 hour.  Most of the classes I teach are at least 3 hours, so its not too bad.  If a model I use is good, I will employ them a lot.  Sometimes that means twice a week, just for me.  Some models, particularly reliable and professional male models, get booked even more.  The more reliable a model, the more work.  Just like any other type of modeling.  Each school is different, my undergrad had 8 hour studio classes for instance, and some schools have different rules than others.  I am always super generous with my models and constantly work with them to find the best poses and most comfortable time periods to hold difficult poses.
Nov 02 10 08:47 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Abbitt Photography
Posts: 11,692
Oakland Acres, Iowa, US


RodsHotShots wrote:
Makes me wonder though why models charge much more to photographers when many takers will do a nude session in front of a large group of artists in a art class for a little more than minimum wage.

Some charge much more because someone will pay it.   Many others accept offers of trade.  The national average for models (not just nudes) is about $17/hour.   What models report here and what photographers report in the general section tend to be be wildly different. 

If you want to know what models in your area will really accept, put out a casting call and contact models directly.

Nov 02 10 08:50 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
RW Photo Art
Posts: 1,666
Ottawa, Ontario, Canada


Here in Ottawa, Canada, rates for figure models (drawing or painting) range from $18-30/hr. The higher figure is from a weekly workshop where the model is on a central stage surrounded by 40-50 artists. Most art classes are smaller and pay around $20-25/hr.
Nov 02 10 08:52 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Alluring Exposures
Posts: 11,360
Mesa, Arizona, US


Plus pics are more widely distributed than an art student's drawing... Not to mention they are probably easier to identify in the pics.

Poses wrote:
Art classes pay anywhere from $10-25 an hour, depending on the region.  It is frequently steady work, and most classes are about three hours.  Models charge more for photography than for modeling for art classes for a variety of reasons ranging from having to sign a release to simply because they can.

Nov 02 10 08:56 pm  Link  Quote 
Model
MadameKitty
Posts: 13,581
Palmer - permanent station of the US, Sector claimed by Argentina/Chile/UK, Antarctica


I'm both a photo model and art model.
Art modeling, there's usually just one picture produced; it's not highly marketable, unless that artist is established, then I charge accordingly.
Photos are highly marketable relative to paintings, and I charge accordingly.
Nov 02 10 09:01 pm  Link  Quote 
Model
Amanda Barre
Posts: 2
Las Vegas, Nevada, US


I pose nude for a figure drawing workshop about once or twice a month, and I  make $70 for three hours. The pay isn't much, and its not the main reason I do it. Its more about the experience. Its very liberating, to say the least. And I like talking with them, they say much more interesting things than regular people; and the atmosphere is totally different than that of a photoshoot. I did come across some negative reactions from models trying to find a sub one time, many of them were surprised that I took my clothes off for such little money. But I enjoy it so much that I would probably do it for $15 or $17 an hour if I had a day job as well. I encourage anybody comfortable in their skin to try it, and even if you're not, you should. Its helped me to become very comfortable with my body, which is hard for girls in this industry. You can't hide any imperfections when you have 20 artists seated in a semi-circle around you.
Nov 02 10 09:02 pm  Link  Quote 
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MadameKitty
Posts: 13,581
Palmer - permanent station of the US, Sector claimed by Argentina/Chile/UK, Antarctica


Poses wrote:
Art classes pay anywhere from $10-25 an hour, depending on the region.  It is frequently steady work, and most classes are about three hours.  Models charge more for photography than for modeling for art classes for a variety of reasons ranging from having to sign a release to simply because they can.

Yup... I pose for one artist a total of 40 hours, that means 4 * 15-25 dollars. regular classes = regular income, it adds up.
I usually get hired for photo work once or twice a year at most by the same person.

Nov 02 10 09:04 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
aliasalbrecht
Posts: 48
Buffalo, New York, US


$30-50 for a 2 hour class is the norm here in western NY state. It's not about the money, obviously. I enjoy the experience, being the center of attention for a group of artists of any skill level, the boldness and liberation of posing in the nude.
Nov 02 10 09:09 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Shirley Zhong
Posts: 2,156
Singapore, Singapore, Singapore


That rate is very low.

I model regularly for drawing classes and I get between $25-$30/hr, and never just an hour session. It last for at least 2 hours, even for private sessions with painters.
Nov 02 10 09:31 pm  Link  Quote 
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Shandra Stark
Posts: 13,612
Los Angeles, California, US


$25/h is the very tip top of what schools offer here; only two schools pay that.  The rest are between 16 and 20.

Classes are typically 3 hours in length.  I usually am able to pose for two of those back to back.  Some classes are four hours in length. 

I have made over $500 at art schools in the past six days.
Nov 02 10 09:37 pm  Link  Quote 
Model
V I C T O R I A
Posts: 13,979
Los Angeles, California, US


Poses wrote:
Art classes pay anywhere from $10-25 an hour, depending on the region.  It is frequently steady work, and most classes are about three hours.  Models charge more for photography than for modeling for art classes for a variety of reasons ranging from having to sign a release to simply because they can.

This. Here classes can pay up to $30/35 an hour (though most pay $20-25ish) and I've never posed for a class that was less than 3 hours.

They are different mediums, different markets, and therefore command different rates. Comparing modeling for artists to modeling for photographers is comparing apples and oranges.

Nov 02 10 09:39 pm  Link  Quote 
Model
theda
Posts: 21,716
New York, New York, US


The schools in NYC pay $15-$18/hour. Schools in the suburbs might pay a little more.

As others have said, there are a lot of reasons why art classes pay less, including:

* Lower volume of work produced per session and that work is less marketable
* No paper work required a minimal chance that the model would be recognized if the work is ever shown
* More people are willing to pose nude for a reputable art school than an unknown photographer
* Generally less stringent requirements for models' appearance, also allowing for a greater supply of models
* Less prep time required (no make up, styling, roots retouching, etc) and less time spent seeking work and working out details
* Consistent work with minimal chance of last minute cancellations or flakes
* But most importantly, the market will bear it
Nov 02 10 09:57 pm  Link  Quote 
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Keith Dickey
Posts: 21
Brookeville, Maryland, US


DC area pays $15-20 an hour.  Baltimore pays $11-15 an hour.  Some drawing groups pay $20-22.  I have been paid more by private artists.   I have worked most every where over the last 2 years and feel most rates mentioned by others are higher than what I have seen.  Shandra is right you can get several classes booked with most classes running 3-4 hours.  I could make an extra couple hundred a week part time. problem is I make a whole lot more personal training in way less time.
Nov 02 10 10:05 pm  Link  Quote 
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Nadirah B
Posts: 28,521
Los Angeles, California, US


Shandra Stark wrote:
$25/h is the very tip top of what schools offer here; only two schools pay that.  The rest are between 16 and 20.

Classes are typically 3 hours in length.  I usually am able to pose for two of those back to back.  Some classes are four hours in length. 

I have made over $500 at art schools in the past six days.

*strips*

LOL! Think they'll want to draw my rolls? LOL!!

Nov 02 10 10:18 pm  Link  Quote 
Model
Shandra Stark
Posts: 13,612
Los Angeles, California, US


Nadirah B wrote:

*strips*

LOL! Think they'll want to draw my rolls? LOL!!

yes, they will.

without a doubt.  do it.

Nov 02 10 10:19 pm  Link  Quote 
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Nadirah B
Posts: 28,521
Los Angeles, California, US


Shandra Stark wrote:

yes, they will.

without a doubt.  do it.

yikes

MY lady Lumps? ninja


LOL lol

That's cool though, I remember when I had an art class we did have 1 overweight lady, most were fit though

Nov 02 10 11:00 pm  Link  Quote 
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R Michael Walker
Posts: 11,986
Costa Mesa, California, US


Highest I've EVER seen was $25 and hour for a art school model..of course that doesn't include the GWC oriented "workshops"...only legitimate schools. Most are still around $12-15 and hour..I was going to say Ask Shandra Stark ask I know she does this all the time but I see she has already responded. Try Nevaleah http://www.modelmayhem.com/326805 , she does this too.
Nov 02 10 11:08 pm  Link  Quote 
Model
Shandra Stark
Posts: 13,612
Los Angeles, California, US


Nadirah B wrote:

yikes

MY lady Lumps? ninja


LOL lol

That's cool though, I remember when I had an art class we did have 1 overweight lady, most were fit though

At the school where I pose most frequently, I am the only female model, the only young model, and the only model under 250 pounds.

It's interesting that you mentioned that, though...most of the female art models I know are fit, while most of the male art models I know are not.  I actually don't think I know of any larger female art models here...but I think that speaks to modeling and women in general. 

Most of my female friends, even trim thin ones will say "I could never...I'd have to work out for the next year, first."

Nov 02 10 11:12 pm  Link  Quote 
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Shandra Stark
Posts: 13,612
Los Angeles, California, US


R Michael Walker wrote:
Highest I've EVER seen was $25 and hour for a art school model..of course that doesn't include the GWC oriented "workshops"...only legitimate schools. Most are still around $12-15 and hour..I was going to say Ask Shandra Stark ask I know she does this all the time but I see she has already responded. Try Nevaleah http://www.modelmayhem.com/326805 , she does this too.

hienvy

Nov 02 10 11:13 pm  Link  Quote 
Model
Jennifer R K
Posts: 729
Toronto, Ontario, Canada


I have been modeling for art classes for about 5 years. In Toronto, the union standard is something like $17.20/hr. I know in other cities there are unions as well but I don't know much about it. Personally I am not a part of any union and have always been paid at least that or more. I am usually paid $20 - 30$ per hour for art classes. Some classes also pay by donations from the students. Usually a session is 3 hours. A lot of the time you will get two classes in a row on one day (probably 6 hours total), or a few days in a row for the same class. If you've done photography workshops, you know the drill.

Modeling for sculptors, drafters and paintes doesn't pay as much as photography modeling, but in terms of modeling nude, I prefer modeling for art classes a lot more than photos even though it is more physically demanding. You tend to acknowledge you body in a very different way when you are being drawn or sculpted. I also feel more personally confident about this than photography because the artists are creating a stylized version of you and usually leave out things like razor burn or scars while photography captures these things automatically.
Nov 02 10 11:18 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
OnSite Photography ca
Posts: 367
Toronto, Ontario, Canada


I have paid an art figure model $??? for a day's work, twice when it was convenient for her schedule. She was quite beautiful, easy going, helpful and quite intelegent. I would hire her again if I had another theme for her. I would even consider some of her collegues. I got no drama and no aspiration to be more than what she was doing those days. Her value was definitely more than I paid her. She saw the photos and wanted some for her portfolio and offered to buy web images. There was no way I could charge her so I sent high quality ones to her. I'll be looking for more art models.
Nov 02 10 11:21 pm  Link  Quote 
Model
Shandra Stark
Posts: 13,612
Los Angeles, California, US


Jennifer K Rose wrote:
I have been modeling for art classes for about 5 years.. In Toronto, the union standard is I believe $17.20/hr. Personally I am not union and have always been paid at least that or more. I am usually paid $20 - 30$ per hour for art classes. Some classes also pay by donations from the students. It doesn't pay as much as photography, but in terms of modeling nude, I prefer modeling for artists a lot more even though it is more physically demanding.

my body is in such bad shape right now.  i have my first professional massage in a year booked for wednesday. 

now that i have three jobs, I plan to get two deep tissue or sports massages a month, and attend yoga regularly. 

stretching just doesn't cut it when you're posing for art classes 25+ hours a week.

Nov 02 10 11:21 pm  Link  Quote 
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Virginia P
Posts: 469
Los Angeles, California, US


20-30/hr is the average for art classes in Southern California, based on my experience. Some events pay more. I've also been booked for my regular 100/hr nude rate with individual artists.
Nov 02 10 11:24 pm  Link  Quote 
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corey higgins
Posts: 408
Dallas, Texas, US


yeah 12/hr is stupid low! ive down them for between 80/150 an hour tongue i would rather work at walmart for just 12 an hour geez
Nov 02 10 11:25 pm  Link  Quote 
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Jennifer R K
Posts: 729
Toronto, Ontario, Canada


Shandra Stark wrote:
my body is in such bad shape right now.  i have my first professional massage in a year booked for wednesday. 

now that i have three jobs, I plan to get two deep tissue or sports massages a month, and attend yoga regularly. 

stretching just doesn't cut it when you're posing for art classes 25+ hours a week.

Yes. It's very painful. I can't tolerate massages though, they make me squeamish, so I have my own stretches to do at home. Bath salts are good, too. But if I was posing for life drawing classes 25+ hrs a week, I would definitely have to learn to tolerate massages.

Nov 02 10 11:26 pm  Link  Quote 
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corey higgins
Posts: 408
Dallas, Texas, US


wait i apologize that was for photography workshops hmm not art school! time to quit drinking...
Nov 02 10 11:28 pm  Link  Quote 
Model
Amber Dawn - Colorado
Posts: 6,230
Castle Rock, Colorado, US


It's $15.00 an hour around here
Nov 03 10 01:21 am  Link  Quote 
Model
Amy Cavanaugh
Posts: 171
Aurora, Colorado, US


At my school they were offering $9.50/hr to pose nude. $8.50/hr to pose clothed.
Nov 03 10 01:30 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
N I C O D E M U S
Posts: 540
Portland, Oregon, US


Alisyn Carliene wrote:
I've never been offered that low.. Usually 50-80 or up to 120 is standard at least the offers i've been made for a 2 hr. class.

without any experience, that just sounds right. After all, you're not just paying for the models time, but they're a. naked for a number of people, & b. not moving for an hour is pretty fookin tough. That whould be a good paying job.

Nov 03 10 01:34 am  Link  Quote 
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