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Mischa Marie
Posts: 7892
Sacramento, California, US
glumpy wrote:
I want to learn tattoo removal.
It's going to be a boom industry pretty soon when people realise they are just a fad and look like crap when they get older and the tatts fade. There will be more people trying to get the things removed than put on.
Why the hell anyone would do something so permanant and expensive and painful to have recitfied to themselves as a trend or fashion thing is beyond me.
Yeah, yeah, I'll cop a load for saying all this but like other things I have said that have been unpopular, the fullness of time will prove what i'm saying to be perfectly true. 
The whole "It's going to look like crap when you get old" argument is ridiculous. Whether I have a tattoo or not, my skin is still going to age and get wrinkly, as everybody else in the world does.
And it's "beyond you" because you seem to think people get tattoos as a trend. So that must be why you are so confused.
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Mischa Marie
Posts: 7892
Sacramento, California, US
Fifi wrote:
Why do people prefer to spew nonsense instead of actually educating themselves. Do people like looking like raging idiots?
*smh*
I have never gotten a tattoo or piercing because it was "the cool thing to do". All of them have personal meaning to me. Even my nose ring. So, instead of spewing bullshit, why don't you actually educate yourself on the history of tattooing/the real reasons why some people choose to get them. Apparently 
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Fifi
Posts: 58134
Gainesville, Florida, US
Mischa Marie wrote:
The whole "It's going to look like crap when you get old" argument is ridiculous. Whether I have a tattoo or not, my skin is still going to age and get wrinkly, as everybody else in the world does.
And it's "beyond you" because you seem to think people get tattoos as a trend. So that must be why you are so confused. Hells yeah... And, my Grandmother is 80 and nothing on that woman sags. My Mom is 52 and barely has any wrinkles on her face.
I'm going to look fucking fabulous when I get older, so why not have awesome tats to show off in the nursing home?
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__noir__
Posts: 2237
Buffalo, New York, US
If you think tattoos are a "fad" you should probably open up a book and read a little bit about the culture and history of this "passing fad". ETA: I'm currently working on traditional leg sleeves with my tattooer. Based off of the tattooed ladies at the turn of the century (the turn of the 20th century, not 21st). If tattoos were a passing fad, I wouldn't be hunting history books looking for photos and flash by the artists that tattooed these ladies over 100 years ago. ![https://engagewisconsin.org/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/T399.jpg]()
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Nicolette
Posts: 12718
Houston, Texas, US
glumpy wrote:
I want to learn tattoo removal.
It's going to be a boom industry pretty soon when people realise they are just a fad and look like crap when they get older and the tatts fade. There will be more people trying to get the things removed than put on.
Why the hell anyone would do something so permanant and expensive and painful to have recitfied to themselves as a trend or fashion thing is beyond me.
Yeah, yeah, I'll cop a load for saying all this but like other things I have said that have been unpopular, the fullness of time will prove what i'm saying to be perfectly true. This disappoints me. I go my first tattoo on my back when I was 16. It was a symbol of a new page in my life and is deeply meaningful to me. I didn't get it because it was "cool" or "trendy." Not all of us follow the fads like those idiot kids who think the tribal armband makes us look tough. I now have 6 tattoos, going on 7 soon. My tattoos are not trendy. They are not "cool." They are a part of me. I brought those images to life on my flesh, and I regret nothing. All of my tattoos mean the world to me.
Yes, my tattoos are permanent. They were expensive. My rib tattoo was painful, the rest felt very pleasant. My tattoos are not like parachute pants, man. They are not a fad. They are part of who I am.
Also, when I'm old, I will still look at them and smile. I'll be proud that I took the leap and had them done. They are like plastic surgery. They are an investment in myself. I would be incomplete without them.
Fifi wrote:
Why do people prefer to spew nonsense instead of actually educating themselves. Do people like looking like raging idiots?
*smh*
I have never gotten a tattoo or piercing because it was "the cool thing to do". All of them have personal meaning to me. Even my nose ring. So, instead of spewing bullshit, why don't you actually educate yourself on the history of tattooing/the real reasons why some people choose to get them.
Model
Kozmina
Posts: 6536
Bakersfield, California, US
1st n foremost,I love tats n have 3 myself(many more to come) I believe that if a model has tats it will not stop her from booking shoots BUT a model without tats is more of a "blank canvas" n that can be an advantage. My point being, a "blank canvas" will DEFINATELY be painted on but there will be times when someone wants to blend their beauty/image concept with a models beautiful tattooed skin. As for the jackass that thinks tats are a fad- The majority of tatted people sure as hell aren't decorating their body as a fad.Go ask the dad with a portrait of his baby girl tatted on his forearm so he can see her face anytime he wants cause its the only time he can cause she died young.Or ask me why I have my fathers name with angel wings on my left shoulder,I'll tell you its because he died 16yrs ago n now I have my gaurdian angel on my back watching over me. Now tell me again that tats are a fad  Sorry for the rant but that really ticked me off.
Clothing Designer
veypurr
Posts: 462
Albuquerque, New Mexico, US
veypurr wrote: Models with tattoos should be banned from all runways worldwide and be forced onto there hands and knees to be used as human chairs backstage at NY fashion week so that the true high fashion models without tattoos can sit on there backs while they are getting there hair and make-up done. Andrea Lynn Reid wrote:
I actually find this disrespectful. Some tattoos are stupid, and I'm not denying that. When you see my tattoos they tell you about who I am as a person. They tell you about my family, my religion, my life. Just because they set you apart and have some kind of stupid stone age reputation doesn't make you any less beautiful or any less capable of working a runway.
~A Some people need to understand sarcasm...I guess when your 19 that's hard...
Model
Fifi
Posts: 58134
Gainesville, Florida, US
__noir__ wrote:
If you think tattoos are a "fad" you should probably open up a book and read a little bit about the culture and history of this "passing fad".
ETA: I'm currently working on traditional leg sleeves with my tattooer. Based off of the tattooed ladies at the turn of the century (the turn of the 20th century, not 21st). If tattoos were a passing fad, I wouldn't be hunting history books looking for photos and flash by the artists that tattooed these ladies over 100 years ago.
![https://engagewisconsin.org/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/T399.jpg]() That is amazing... her tattoos are freaking gorgeous!!!
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Fifi
Posts: 58134
Gainesville, Florida, US
Nicolette wrote:
glumpy wrote:
I want to learn tattoo removal.
It's going to be a boom industry pretty soon when people realise they are just a fad and look like crap when they get older and the tatts fade. There will be more people trying to get the things removed than put on.
Why the hell anyone would do something so permanant and expensive and painful to have recitfied to themselves as a trend or fashion thing is beyond me.
Yeah, yeah, I'll cop a load for saying all this but like other things I have said that have been unpopular, the fullness of time will prove what i'm saying to be perfectly true. This disappoints me. I go my first tattoo on my back when I was 16. It was a symbol of a new page in my life and is deeply meaningful to me. I didn't get it because it was "cool" or "trendy." Not all of us follow the fads like those idiot kids who think the tribal armband makes us look tough. I now have 6 tattoos, going on 7 soon. My tattoos are not trendy. They are not "cool." They are a part of me. I brought those images to life on my flesh, and I regret nothing. All of my tattoos mean the world to me.
Yes, my tattoos are permanent. They were expensive. My rib tattoo was painful, the rest felt very pleasant. My tattoos are not like parachute pants, man. They are not a fad. They are part of who I am.
Also, when I'm old, I will still look at them and smile. I'll be proud that I took the leap and had them done. They are like plastic surgery. They are an investment in myself. I would be incomplete without them.
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udor
Posts: 25255
New York, New York, US
Photographer
glumpy
Posts: 516
Sydney, New South Wales, Australia
Fifi wrote:
Why do people prefer to spew nonsense instead of actually educating themselves. Do people like looking like raging idiots? I don't think so but some people like to think they know it all and anyone that politely disagrees with their POV gives them the right to come across like spoilt little bitches and throw insults around in order to make themselves look more important.
Unfortunatley like most things, It takes time for one to mature and grow up and have the intelligence to admit that in the fulness of time, they can now see what they couldn't before years earlier when they were much younger and thought they knew it all.
Maybe, Just maybe, some of these people will have tatts and while they defend them now, despite their indignation at anyone that suggests they weren't a good idea, they will come to admit maybe they were wrong.
It might take 30-40 years or it may take 5.
Unfortunately when it happens, all the reasons of self expression and art and history and everything else will be forgotten.
I'm sure If I do get into tattoo removal I'll bee able to hear them all. In fact those already in tattoo removal would probably be hearing them now on an hourly basis.
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udor
Posts: 25255
New York, New York, US
glumpy wrote:
Maybe, Just maybe, some of these people will have tatts and while they defend them now, despite their indignation at anyone that suggests they weren't a good idea, they will come to admit maybe they were wrong.
It might take 30-40 years or it may take 5. That's a pretty self-righteous, if not arrogant, way of thinking, you realize that, right?
And, as someone who is part of the body-mod community longer than you are a (professional) photographer, I can tell you that you also have really no in-depth understanding why people like us mark up their skin permanently!
Model
Fifi
Posts: 58134
Gainesville, Florida, US
udor wrote:
That's a pretty self-righteous, if not arrogant, way of thinking, you realize that, right?
And, as someone who is part of the body-mod community longer than you are a (professional) photographer, I can tell you that you also have really no in-depth understanding why people like us mark up their skin permanently! *slow clap*
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Alabaster Crowley
Posts: 8283
Tucson, Arizona, US
glumpy wrote:
they are just a fad Yeah, tattoos are just a fad. They've only been around about 4000 years. It's bound to die out soon.
Photographer
Noyo Creative
Posts: 68
Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada
Okay so we all pretty much agree that glumpy's statement on tattoos being a "fad" is ridiculous.
That being said, modelling is a superficial world. There is no doubt that some clients will not select models based on their tattoos. Just like they won't select models based on their eyes, nose, chin, face! What works for some doesn't work for others. Lets just leave it at that.
Model
Nicolette
Posts: 12718
Houston, Texas, US
Alabaster True wrote:
Yeah, tattoos are just a fad. They've only been around about 4000 years. It's bound to die out soon. totally. I mean, thats just maturity and fact right thurr.
Model
Nicolette
Posts: 12718
Houston, Texas, US
udor wrote:
That's a pretty self-righteous, if not arrogant, way of thinking, you realize that, right?
And, as someone who is part of the body-mod community longer than you are a (professional) photographer, I can tell you that you also have really no in-depth understanding why people like us mark up their skin permanently! this. So much.
Though i hate when i see tattooing being called "marking up" the skin. I think its a personal thing. But i agree with this post.
Photographer
udor
Posts: 25255
New York, New York, US
Nicolette wrote:
Though i hate when i see tattooing being called "marking up" the skin. I think its a personal thing. But i agree with this post. I concerned myself also with the anthropological aspect of tattoos and it's history. So, I collected a lot of books etc. Tattoos being often referred to as "Marks of Identity", where in 1999 - 2000 the American Museum of Natural History had a landmark exhibition that was called "Body Art: Marks of Identity", which I also visited. Check it out, the link goes to the online version.
Cheers
udor
P.S.: My pet peeve is people calling tattoos "tats" ![https://img.photobucket.com/albums/v200/UdoRPhotoArchive/MakingAPointGifs/th_banghead.gif]()
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Jim White Photography
Posts: 593
Orlando, Florida, US
udor wrote:
I still have the same definition what constitutes a "real tattoo"... for me...
What I find attractive on a woman... but that is not something for a fashion model, unless she is the darling of Gaultier...  I thought Gaultier favored gay men
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udor
Posts: 25255
New York, New York, US
Jim White Photography wrote:
I thought Gaultier favored gay men Well... yeah, but I was talking about "runway-darlings", specifically the ones with the lady parts...
Model
Nicolette
Posts: 12718
Houston, Texas, US
udor wrote:
I concerned myself also with the anthropological aspect of tattoos and it's history. So, I collected a lot of books etc. Tattoos being often referred to as "Marks of Identity", where in 1999 - 2000 the American Museum of Natural History had a landmark exhibition that was called "Body Art: Marks of Identity", which I also visited. Check it out, the link goes to the online version.
Cheers
udor
P.S.: My pet peeve is people calling tattoos "tats" ![https://img.photobucket.com/albums/v200/UdoRPhotoArchive/MakingAPointGifs/th_banghead.gif]() Like I said, I think the whole "marked up" thing is just a pet peeve. I'm aware of where the phrase comes from.
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JadeDRed
Posts: 5620
London, England, United Kingdom
Alabaster True wrote:
Yeah, tattoos are just a fad. They've only been around about 4000 years. It's bound to die out soon. On a more modern, local note 3 of my 4 grandparents have tattoos, my teenage brother has a tattoo, that's three generations of fad.
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Anahi Cazares Maggard
Posts: 342
Fort Worth, Texas, US
Erik Ballew wrote:
Once the baby boomer generation finally dies out, no one will care. agreed
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Luna Diosa
Posts: 13242
Elizabeth, New Jersey, US
These models dont seem to have a problem getting High fashion work Carolyn Murphy ![https://www.100besteverything.com/misc/carolynmurphytattoo.jpg]() Isabeli Fontana ![https://www.garotasestupidas.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/02/ISABELI_FONTANA_TATTOOS.jpg]() Anna Beatriz Barros ![https://www.tatoveringsguiden.com/img/jenter-tatovering/ana-beatriz-barros2.jpg]() Rick Genest ![https://www.patchworkwingsdesign.com/blog/images/RickGenest1.jpg]()
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Guinevere Naberrie
Posts: 36
Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, US
Thanks to the original poster of this topic. I don't have tattoos because they are "hip" or "in right now." I have them because I view tattooing as a form of creative self-expression--just like modeling. A model in a photograph is, hopefully, creating art with her pose, expression, etc. so why can't the model be also be creative with her personal style?
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Nicolette
Posts: 12718
Houston, Texas, US
Nichole Louise wrote:
Thanks to the original poster of this topic. I don't have tattoos because they are "hip" or "in right now." I have them because I view tattooing as a form of creative self-expression--just like modeling. A model in a photograph is, hopefully, creating art with her pose, expression, etc. so why can't the model be also be creative with her personal style? This.
Model
Laura Dustin
Posts: 8
Kansas City, Missouri, US
I have tats. But im just buying my own makeup to conceal it when needed. Then theres no problem.
Photographer
ShaneWilliams
Posts: 5
Vancouver, Washington, US
I have a thought... As a photographer are we not in the buisness of capuring our version of todays reality... Tattoos are a part of todays reality and say if the fad dies out completely in 5 years, the new girls who we will be shooting then are 13-15 years old now which means there will be a whole new crop of models sans tattoos.
So I say, if you don't like tattoos, don't shoot models that are upfront about having them and as far as a "Fad", people have been getting tattoos almost since the dawn of civilization.. If the tattoo has deep meaning to you "Get it" if it is just something cause everyone has one "don't get it". It is that simple....
Just my humble opinion.
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Looknsee Photography
Posts: 26342
Portland, Oregon, US
ShaneWilliams wrote:
I have a thought... As a photographer are we not in the buisness of capuring our version of todays reality... Tattoos are a part of todays reality and say if the fad dies out completely in 5 years, the new girls who we will be shooting then are 13-15 years old now which means there will be a whole new crop of models sans tattoos.
So I say, if you don't like tattoos, don't shoot models that are upfront about having them and as far as a "Fad", people have been getting tattoos almost since the dawn of civilization.. If the tattoo has deep meaning to you "Get it" if it is just something cause everyone has one "don't get it". It is that simple....
Just my humble opinion. (I hate when people resurrect dead threads).
"Business of capturing our version of today's reality"? Reality is relative. I would say that "capturing fantasy" is just as much a part of business as "capturing reality". That's why top models are not "average looking".
"If a tattoo has a deep meaning to you, get it". By all means, but that deep meaning might be for the model, and it is not necessarily of deep meaning to the photographer, client, or viewer.
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Rays Fine Art
Posts: 7504
New York, New York, US
It ultimately comes down to if you want'em, get'em and you will also get the consequences, be they good or bad.
Remember that while many, maybe even most, MM photographers are fashion oriented, few are fashion exclusive, and among the MM models, by far most are not fashion material and therefore, for some, those that aim for fine art and/or glamour work, Tattoos, especially randomly placed, unrelated ones can indeed be career killers. For others, the ones specializing in the various flavors of alt and/or fetish, they can be an asset.
While I agree that it is not the photographer's place to "instruct" models on what they should or should not do, I think it is often a kindness to point out the reality that while tattoos, especially excessive ones, may be acceptable and even desirable in some instances, there are far more situations in which they are a detriment and virtually none where their absence is a detriment.
All IMHO, as always.
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udor
Posts: 25255
New York, New York, US
Laura Dustin wrote:
I have tats. But im just buying my own makeup to conceal it when needed. Then theres no problem. There we go!
That's the professional way of doing things...
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Mark
Posts: 2977
New York, New York, US
Its an idiotic trend. A life time commitment to a fad. But I still love my Duran Duran tattoo on my ass
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udor
Posts: 25255
New York, New York, US
Mark wrote:
But I still love my Duran Duran tattoo on my ass I don't wanna sound strange... but.. damn'... I almost wanna see THAT one! LOL...
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Green Line Photo
Posts: 75
New York, New York, US
You can see all the shows here. http://www.style.com/fashionshows/ You can judge for yourself as to whether there is a lot of ink on the runway. A very large majority of the models have NO visible ink. A few have some pretty modest tattoos. It's hard to find ANY model who's heavily inked. Maybe someone can spend a lot of time looking and find a couple. Maybe all the "inkless" models have covered up their tattoos, but if that's the case it means that ink generally is not a desirable characteristic for the people doing the hiring.
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Looknsee Photography
Posts: 26342
Portland, Oregon, US
Laura Dustin wrote:
I have tats. But im just buying my own makeup to conceal it when needed. Then theres no problem. udor wrote:
There we go!
That's the professional way of doing things... Not to be combative: what about those tattoos that are difficult for the wearer to reach, like a tattoo on a shoulder blade or a tramp stamp? Do models choose the location of their tattoos with this in mind? Just curious.
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Yves Duchamp- Homme
Posts: 3212
Virginia Beach, Virginia, US
Green Line Photo wrote:
You can see all the shows here. http://www.style.com/fashionshows/
You can judge for yourself as to whether there is a lot of ink on the runway.
A very large majority of the models have NO visible ink. A few have some pretty modest tattoos. It's hard to find ANY model who's heavily inked. Maybe someone can spend a lot of time looking and find a couple.
Maybe all the "inkless" models have covered up their tattoos, but if that's the case it means that ink generally is not a desirable characteristic for the people doing the hiring. That's what I was thinking, and I follow the HELL out of fashion shows, campaigns, and editorials...
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Yves Duchamp- Homme
Posts: 3212
Virginia Beach, Virginia, US
Cynthia Serrano wrote:
These models dont seem to have a problem getting High fashion work
Carolyn Murphy
Isabeli Fontana
Anna Beatriz Barros
Rick Genest You didn't post any current high fashion models. And Ricky Genest is an EXTREME anomaly. Then again, I guess every 5'2" woman can walk for Galliano because Kate Moss is short, too...
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John Fisher
Posts: 2165
Miami Beach, Florida, US
I dunno, Udor. Recently I was discussing a model who had a tattoo with a booker here in South Beach. He said: I like her, however I really don't want to start every discussion with a client by saying, "I have this great new girl for you to see, but..........." Now, the girl had a big tattoo across her chest which said something like "Property U.S. Marine Corps" or "This End Up" (I forget which), and I suppose something insignificant on the back of her neck which would normally be covered with hair wouldn't have been such a problem. Still, I'm so old I missed the memorandum on when it became cool for a young girl to look like a drunk sailor on shore leave in Manila. I also agree with the guy who said that the doctor who develops a safe method to remove tattoos without leaving a scar will wind up richer than Bill Gates and Warren Buffett combined! John Ooo, ooo! I forgot one of my favorite tattoo stories! I'm talking with a good friend who ran one of the big fashion agencies here in South Beach, and I noticed a bad scar on his wrist. I thought he must have burned himself, and I asked about it. He said: "If you must tattoo someone's name on your body, make sure its your mother's!" -- John Fisher 900 West Avenue, Suite 633 Miami Beach, Florida 33139 305 534-9322 http://www.johnfisher.com
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Raquel Rayne
Posts: 1186
New York, New York, US
Mark wrote:
Its an idiotic trend. A life time commitment to a fad. But I still love my Duran Duran tattoo on my ass Actually, tattooing has been practiced by many and various cultures for centuries...
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Mark
Posts: 2977
New York, New York, US
ok - its an idiotic western world trend.
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