southern sweetness wrote:
haha thanks matthew i forgot about this too funny

One day images of the model Amanda wilt also appear! :-)
We do have some of those in inventory. [hint :-)]

Thinking out loud (can be dangerous). Possibly this lengthy process might be a good problem for a SCM (Supply Chain Management) student to investigate and write up. Possibly.

Emelle, I see between the [img]and[/img] http://i48.tinypic.com/2la8nbt.jpg
This supports what Clark noted that thread links need to end in .jpg
It doesn't prove, just supports his conclusion.

emelle wrote:
shucks what did I do wrong this time?

Is this what you wanted?



In Firefox right click the photo and "copy image URL".

FFantastique wrote:
POST PRODUCTION PROCEDURES:

Share? Does anyone have written best practices production procedures that they are willing to post to the thread or PM me/us?

Reengineering. I had one where I could get stuff out at max ten days but it was very labor intensive and violated MM norms by giving llamas too many large files. So I've invested money to invest in LightRoom 4 and PhotoShop on MacBook with 1TB. (No colorimeter nor touch pad) and want to reengineer and optimize the processs.

I going to start one and revise as I think this through, get advice, etc.

While I could start with a the existing procedure and then tweak it, I've decided to start de novo.

Release: What type of shoots need releases? What do they say? Does llama get copy?

Shoot: RAW only. Rationale: although many top togs shoot in JPG, I think that more data is better and allows for greater flexibility and recover in post production. RAW JPG is not used because on the Canon T2i that leaves me with approximately a 4-frame buffer whereas RAW only allows about 7.

Initial Edit: Delete in camera. Rationale: Although there is some danger of corrupting a card or deleting the entire card or good images, it's an acceptable risk and I don't want to fill card, transfer to computer shots that where there are blinks, failed flash, clearly bad shots, etc. eradicate evidence of bad photography as fast as possible.

Copy to Computer: Use card reader to copy each card to subfolder that is properly labeled. What is properly labeled? Date coded is helpful.

Import to LR:

Rate and Flag: Rate with 0-5 stars,
flag for various purposes.

Upsample: use sample factor >2. This interpolates pixels and allows for artifacts of editing to be less obvious under close scrutiny.

Retouching: in LR or PS. Up to two man days per image. OUCH!

Export to JPG: Size and length for MM? 600 length, 600 KB?
FB too? 720 x ?
High res? 2400 x 3000?

Does llama get all shots for learning purposes or only one or two per look? If so, in what format? Contact sheet?

Distribution: Dropbox? Takes over computer?
E-mail? Slow? e-mail address?
DVD via snail mail? address? Label? or Sharpie? which image?

Posting: MM? FB? SmugMug? contest? no posting? Rationale: limited space, time, bandwidth, privacy, etc. may preclude posting.

Backup RAWs where and how? How many locations? for how long? in perpetuity?

Clearing cards: only after llamas acknowledge receipt of images then clear cards. Rationale: this is ultra conservative but ensures that shot is not likely to be lost.

To be continued.

Holy smokes that's a lot of questions.  Some of my best practices:

1)  Always shoot RAW.  Unless I were shooting an event which required immediate upload.

2)  File/Folder naming in Lightroom:

YYYY
    YYYYMMDD_ShortDescriptionOfShoot
            Original filenames of images allowing camera to auto increment.

3)  Export HTML proof sheet of all salvageable unedited images with "PROOF" watermarked on image.  Upload to my webserver and deliver URL to client/model for review.

4)  Use stars in Lightroom to tag my favorites.  Use multiple passes (up to 5) to whittle down the list.  http://blog.chasejarvis.com/blog/2011/0 … iting-101/

5)  Perform minor and batch editing in Lightroom (exposure, white balance, cropping, tone, brigthness, contrast, vibrance, etc...) http://www.cambridgeincolour.com/forums/thread10153.htm

6)  Export to Photoshop to perform more sophisticated editing (channels curves, blemish removal, liquefy ;-).

7) Save full resolution as layered TIFF.

8)  Flatten, resize to 1024 on longest side, sharpen for output using Nik, output for web as JPG.



Hope this helps.

-Ira wrote:
Hope this helps.

5 stars!
Yes, this helps. Now we're talking.

I'm trying to figure out why I'm so slow. A major contributing factor is the-steeper-than expected learning curve on integrating LightRoom4--which I plan to be an investment that pays off with expediting processing dramatically.

Another contributing factor is balancing perfection with productivity.
When do you determine an image is ready for release?
Is it when you hit a point of diminishing returns? or when it asymptotic?
[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asymptotic_analysis  Hope I'm not misusing the term malapropistically LOL].
What do I attempt to do with this batch of images?
What best practices do I defer for later adoption and integration?
How much can I afford to learn and retouch before the models hunt me down and hammer me? My life and health insurance aren't great! LOL.
These are qualitative assessments that for me require hand-wringing judgment.

There are at least two other factors providing impedence in the circuitry: one of which is that the content is what I would classify as NSFW.

Ira, you're a good man. Rumor has it that you were gentlemanly and treated your model(s) well, that they were taken care of. KUTGW.

-Ira wrote:

Is this what you wanted?
In Firefox right click the photo and "copy image URL".

Ira:
Like I said--you good man! :-)
I have strong reason to believe that you got it!
Now that you've educated emelle, expect her next attempted post of picture to be visible! :-)

emelle wrote:
[img http://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-a … 5817_n.jpg /img]

Our very awesome Jodi Vaughn...Ole'!

emelle wrote:

Well still getting wrong but not giving up yet.  I don't use firefox...thanks for the help though Ira.

-Ira wrote:
Holy smokes that's a lot of questions.  Some of my best practices:

1)  Always shoot RAW.  Unless I were shooting an event which required immediate upload.

2)  File/Folder naming in Lightroom:

YYYY
    YYYYMMDD_ShortDescriptionOfShoot
            Original filenames of images allowing camera to auto increment.

3)  Export HTML proof sheet of all salvageable unedited images with "PROOF" watermarked on image.  Upload to my webserver and deliver URL to client/model for review.

4)  Use stars in Lightroom to tag my favorites.  Use multiple passes (up to 5) to whittle down the list.  http://blog.chasejarvis.com/blog/2011/0 … iting-101/

5)  Perform minor and batch editing in Lightroom (exposure, white balance, cropping, tone, brigthness, contrast, vibrance, etc...) http://www.cambridgeincolour.com/forums/thread10153.htm

6)  Export to Photoshop to perform more sophisticated editing (channels curves, blemish removal, liquefy ;-).

7) Save full resolution as layered TIFF.

8)  Flatten, resize to 1024 on longest side, sharpen for output using Nik, output for web as JPG.



Hope this helps.

To: JT,

Or just shoot JPG and save yourself the headaches and the buffer time! Photoshop can almost do all the adjustments you will need for MM stuff. It will force you to take better shots from the getgo. The only real advantage of RAW files is the ability to adjust the White balance and EV - slightly better than what Photoshop can do. So challenge yourself to shoot better pictures and skip the RAW altogether. You will save soooo much time. Ask Gary. He does not shoot RAW. And that, I suspect, is why he has all this free time to do the crazy things he does!

I still shoot RAW+JPG, as a backup contingency measure while I am learning photography, in case I really botch the shots. But as I get better I am skipping the RAW editing and just editing the JPGs. One of these days, when I get more confident I will not shoot RAW files at all. It will also save a ton of storage space. Shit, I have 4 external drives for photo storage because of all the RAW files I have. They take up a lot of space.

But, again, I say this for your typical MM images for posting. If you are doing high-end print work for advertising or fine art print sales that is a different story. You will want to print from RAW>uncompressed TIFF files at their highest resolution.

That's what Halley says, anyway...

emelle wrote:

yes victory!  The amazing Vaugh...ole'!

Mellissa Ballard wrote:

he is my fave on the show!  where was i???

It was just as we were returning from our first day in cabo I believe. I shouldve asked him to sign something lol

Amelia Simone wrote:

It was just as we were returning from our first day in cabo I believe. I shouldve asked him to sign something lol

Yeah, one of your portraits, he would have followed us everywhere...

-Ira wrote:

Is this what you wanted?



In Firefox right click the photo and "copy image URL".

"Like"

emelle wrote:

yes victory!  The amazing Vaugh...ole'!

Jodi we miss you!

emelle wrote:

yes victory!  The amazing Vaugh...ole'!

Emelle: Congratulations! I admire your persistence...and success.
Concur, about Jodi. She was so accomodating 😘

F-stop Jonny wrote:

Jodi we miss you!

Concur! Another pro at the peak of her game but sans divaness! 😊

southern sweetness wrote:
jhonny you got some stunning images

Thank You

Charonda Glamour wrote:
Or just shoot JPG and save yourself the headaches and the buffer time!

I'm preparing slowly to do be able to do good work so my conclusion is to get in the habit of shooting RAW.

However, I calculate that if I set the computer to converting about 3,000 RAW images to JPGs (just one size) it'll take about 8 hours! Not an inconsequential allocation of computing power.

I'm typing this while waiting for a batch of 100+ images for ShelleyLynne to convert. Can I queue multiple batches of conversions to run without getting LR nor I getting confused?

Apparently so as it states "x operations in progress" -- however the computing power is diminished and the concurrent processing throttles throughput.

FFantastique wrote:

I'm preparing slowly to do be able to do good work so my conclusion is to get in the habit of shooting RAW.

However, I calculate that if I set the computer to converting about 3,000 RAW images to JPGs (just one size) it'll take about 8 hours! Not an inconsequential allocation of computing power.

I'm typing this while waiting for a batch of 100+ images for ShelleyLynne to convert. Can I queue multiple batches of conversions to run without getting LR nor I getting confused?

Apparently so as it states "x operations in progress" -- however the computing power is diminished and the concurrent processing throttles throughput.

I shot both at the same time! Raw+ High or low jepg depending if I know for sure ill be converting Raw into Tiff.
You don't need to shoot Raw though. Jepg is fine even for print. Just find the color space the printer is printing it at and set your monitor to that. They usually have a code their set to that they can email you! I'm talking big Printing CMYK etc... but must clients are cool with the stander RGB PS
Each Job will be different but you won't be able to tell the final image if it was shot in Raw or Jepg!

NYMPH wrote:
Phewwwww. I had such a busy month. And just when I was ready to sit down and catch up, my laptop crashed. Now I got a new one, and now it's time to seriously catch up on everything.

I have just one liiiittle request - any harem shots?!? That was so epic!

7 minutes (6:18-6:25 time stamps from Nymph's request and posting my image), not bad :-)

Disclosure: I posted first to lock in the time stamp, then edited and updated post with image shortly thereafter!

Just happened to be on the thread and at a location when I could do this expeditiously.

Got to run to a meeting. So have to suspend post production for an undetermined period. Irregular productivity periods.


Most definitely ensorceling! ;-) Thank you very much ladies!

Yani S wrote:
I shot both at the same time! Raw+ High or low jepg depending if I know for sure ill be converting Raw into Tiff.
You don't need to shoot Raw though. Jepg is fine even for print. Just find the color space the printer is printing it at and set your monitor to that. They usually have a code their set to that they can email you! I'm talking big Printing CMYK etc... but must clients are cool with the stander RGB PS
Each Job will be different but you won't be able to tell the final image if it was shot in Raw or Jepg!

JPEG vs RAW is a heavily debated topic.  However for me, since I finish editing most of my photos in PS, I always shoot RAW.  I'd prefer to sacrifice disk space for the ability to work with the most information possible.

What can I say...I like it "RAW" ;-)

*Edit:  I am not insinuating that there is right or wrong.  To me it's a matter of preference.

FFantastique wrote:

I'm preparing slowly to do be able to do good work so my conclusion is to get in the habit of shooting RAW.

However, I calculate that if I set the computer to converting about 3,000 RAW images to JPGs (just one size) it'll take about 8 hours! Not an inconsequential allocation of computing power.

I'm typing this while waiting for a batch of 100+ images for ShelleyLynne to convert. Can I queue multiple batches of conversions to run without getting LR nor I getting confused?

Apparently so as it states "x operations in progress" -- however the computing power is diminished and the concurrent processing throttles throughput.

it shouldn't take that long to convert them. there isn't really a reason to convert them to jpeg unless you are really trying to fill up a smugmug account quickly!

are you using lightroom? it can jump back and forth between your RAW in lightroom, and photoshop (without the camera raw popup), and back

when you are really done with post processing you can export it to jpg in lightroom

NYMPH wrote:
Phewwwww. I had such a busy month. And just when I was ready to sit down and catch up, my laptop crashed. Now I got a new one, and now it's time to seriously catch up on everything.

I have just one liiiittle request - any harem shots?!? That was so epic!

I remember that shoot

FFantastique wrote:

Coming right up! :-)  6:18-6:25--7 minutes--not bad :-)
Just happened to be on the thread and at a location when I could do this expeditiously. 
Got to run to a meeting. So have to suspend post production for an undetermined period. Irregular productivity periods.

So annoyed with myself for missing that was going on. Cool idea you guys

C.C. Holdings  wrote:
are you using lightroom? it can jump back and forth between your RAW in lightroom, and photoshop (without the camera raw popup), and back

when you are really done with post processing you can export it to jpg in lightroom

yep.  the nice thing about LR is that it stores all the changes as metadata...therefore its not actually touching the original file.

*eric, i realize you already knew that.  just announcing it for those who don't.

F-stop Jonny wrote:

So annoyed with myself for missing that was going on. Cool idea you guys

I was standing right there with my genie outfit on and Nymph asked me to join the group.  I got into the frame but a photographer asked me to leave the shot. That was incredibly rude! Yeah...you know who you are.

-Ira wrote:
Morgan by Ira Monko 1974, on Flickr

Thank you for putting the model names in the post!

-Ira wrote:

JPEG vs RAW is a heavily debated topic.  However for me, since I finish editing most of my photos in PS, I always shoot RAW.  I'd prefer to sacrifice disk space for the ability to work with the most information possible.

What can I say...I like it "RAW" ;-)

*Edit:  I am not insinuating that there is right or wrong.  To me it's a matter of preference.

I've met some pro togs recently who do JPG only--one has images listed in the quadruple digits!!!!
I've debated the topic and conclude more data is better.
Only exception I made was in 2010 when shooting for a press pool with tight time to upload and RAWs not accepted.
After reexamining the topic I'm tempted to switch but will stick with RAWs and the additional post work it requires.

Now--new idea. Does LightRoom or any software allow for RAWs of images rated below a certain threshold to auto delete in a user-set time? Example, if I rate all images from this trip and a particular loom has only one 5-star and all the others are 4 or below, in 3 years I want the software to automatically pop up and ask if I want to delete RAWs for 4-star and lower so that I can recover the space. Does such feature exist? If so, how do I find it? If not, how do I request it?

NYMPH wrote:
'Ask and ye shall receive'  [John 16:24] Thank you so much, gentlemen! I love it!

Nymph you are blessed. There are those who have asked and have yet to receive.

Examining the images reminds me of another text -- models are "fearfully and wonderfully made"! (Psalm 139:14).