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If you are a photographer, do you find yourself judging model portfolios differently than Photographers portfolios? In other words, when I look at a photographers port., I look for lighting, composition and such but when I look at a models port, I look for comfortablity with the camera, believabilty and such. You? Aug 15 05 01:54 pm Link markcomp wrote: A lot of what I'm doing with a model's portfolio, is trying to imagine how she'd look with a different MU treatment or with a different styling... Aug 15 05 01:58 pm Link John Allan wrote: Just completed a waterfall shoot with Steve...he wanted all natural...so no MUA/Stylist/No cheesecloth... no nuffin! Now Aug 15 05 05:12 pm Link Of course they are looked at differently. They are different issues. A photographers portfolio should show his creative style and level of craftpersonship (ugh...). A model's shows her/his ability to model! As for Mollie under a waterfall, that is something so thrilling to think about I can't think of anything else. Aug 15 05 05:35 pm Link Weldphoto wrote: Trust me in this George... Aug 15 05 05:40 pm Link Quickly. Models, mostly if I want to work with them. Then respect for their work. photographers. first looking to see if I think the work is great. Aug 15 05 05:47 pm Link mollie_lane wrote: Apparently you do not understand how a MANâs mind works. They love it when you are chilled. Oh ya, and the waterfall knocked your top off. Aug 15 05 07:00 pm Link This poses a pretty interesting question. I also look at them differently. As mentioned above: the photographer for creativity, the model for presentation. I also notice in creating my own, I have images I think a model would like to display herself and others to appease my creativeness. Aug 15 05 07:17 pm Link Reno Pittner wrote: LOL@Reno... Aug 15 05 07:32 pm Link I judge both on 1. what is the photograph trying to say 2. does it work for what it was shot for 3. Is it pleasing to me. Number 3. can make any photo good. Aug 15 05 07:47 pm Link If I critique I try to do so honestly. When I view portfolios I try to see the possibilities. Whenever I look at Mollie I go all a flutter... Aug 15 05 08:38 pm Link mollie_lane wrote: If the guy had lost his shorts in the cold water I don't think you would have noticed much at all. lol Aug 15 05 09:07 pm Link area291 wrote: Richard dahlinnnnnnn...how MANY times do I have to tell you Aug 15 05 09:51 pm Link markcomp wrote: Welllllllllll ummmmmmm considering the speed, temp, and volume Aug 15 05 09:58 pm Link markcomp wrote: First, I try to answer the question asked. I recently asked for a critique in the "critique" forum, and it wasn't what I expected. If I ask a question, I like it be answered or addressed at least. And as a model, help me; it's the model that's asking not the photographer, the critique should be different between the two. Sep 03 05 07:15 pm Link the funny thing is, though most people separate how they judge a model and the photographer, you can often tell by the comments that people just forget that there's a difference. i've read many comments on model's images that say "wow, thats really nice lighting. great work." or something of the sort, though the models aren't responsible at all for such things. i can't say that one of those hasn't slipped out, but i try to give credit where credit is due. Sep 04 05 12:59 am Link sounds good! Jun 17 08 09:58 pm Link Markcomp wrote: I do that, but i also add in talent selection. Jun 17 08 10:05 pm Link A healthy critical analysis does not simply cover how the person requesting for the commentary affected the shot, it covers why things do or do not work, the impact certain elements have, leaves the one who requested the feedback better able to analyze photos themselves and -hopefully- do the the things they did well again and prevent repeat mistakes. As such, sometimes when talking to a model you have to be a bit more comprehensive than "Well... I'm not going to talking about the lighting eventhough it sucks, I'm just going to talk about you." Sure, sure, you're trying to be fair and relevant blah blah blah but there are many times when it's appropriate to tell someone why a photo doesn't work even if you're covering elements over which they had no control. So sometimes you have to educate a model on why the cropping in a given photo doesn't work with the style despite the fact that the framing wasn't his/her choice. Sometimes you have to school a model on why she shouldn't wear horizontal stripes or why his socks should (generally) match his pants not his ties or shoes. Sometimes you have to let a model know why the hairstyle is fucking up the shot. Sometimes you have to cover these things even if the model does everything he/she was supposed to do perfectly. Because in the end, you want the best shot in you portfolio and even if you were fantastic at what you did, if someone else dropped the ball the shot will hurt you. The same thing goes for photographers although it's difficult to find anything in the making of the shot that would be irrelevant to the photographer. Again, if anyone fucks up down the line, the photographer needs to know why. In the end, he/she needs to answer for the shot no matter what, so all elements are fair game and relevant to discussion. For stylist (make-up, hair, clothing) I do try to base commentary more closely to what he or she actually did in the photo. But some photos are more photographer shots than make-up artist shots. So in that respect, sometimes it's helpful to cover why a particular shot is best left out of a stylist's book even when it's a page stopping photograph. Personally, I just try to give someone feedback with depth. Too many people are content to simply say "That shot's great!!" without a thought as to why. More often than not, in hearing the explanation of why someone likes a shot, you'll find that they don't think the shot's good overall, instead they like a certain element of it. Hearing "Great shot!!" is very different than "That gal's tiddies look so gud that I don't even care that the background's a mess!!" One is helpful, the other is not. And we're all trying to improve, right? Don't pull punches. Even when you like something, you're trying to help the person get better. Critique accordingly... Jun 17 08 10:24 pm Link Damn, that was long... Jun 17 08 10:25 pm Link I don't critique. Either your shit grabs me or it doesn't. Jun 17 08 10:26 pm Link Markcomp wrote: Probably. Jun 18 08 03:53 am Link Yes I do look at them differently but I try to leave the critiquing to someone else! May 10 09 03:09 pm Link I look at all work the same way. I do not critique. I know what I am looking for in a specific situation and... The presentation scores or fails. Sometimes it fails for the specific job but I remember it for something else. May 10 09 03:32 pm Link OMarkcompa wrote: no. i look (look, not judge) and notice the various components of the images and how all the work (model, photographer, MUA, etc.) came together. May 10 09 03:40 pm Link Just for a moment there I got all excited and thought Mollie was back with us. Damned three year old thread! May 10 09 05:03 pm Link Yah, what the heck Happened to Mollie.......... Kind of like watching a scratched up DVD and not able to see the end! Bummer! Aug 15 09 08:23 am Link I think if you are going to post on the critique section and ask them to view your portfolio then be prepared for straight direct to the point replies my portfolio is not up to standard yet to even go there lol but I am working on it slowly. What I did find amazing was the other day after a photo shoot with a tog who works professionally was that he was viewing the pics from the shoot and the ones I thought looked really good he didnt comment on them however he mentioned ones that I would never have dreamed of using he has since sent me a few pics which he has touched up a little and there really good but again at first they didnt stand out to me at all. Aug 15 09 11:19 am Link OMarkcompa wrote: i look at them both for inspiration, as it goes Aug 16 09 10:52 am Link Secretchick wrote: what a model looks for in an image is often different than what the photographer looks for Aug 16 09 10:54 am Link |
