|
Forums >
General Industry >
Black models: Glamour vs. Urban Glamour
Ms Katie Blair wrote: Danielle Reid wrote: Of course... if Coco had a considerably smaller butt... much smaller... she wouldn't garner that much attention... Jun 23 14 01:39 pm Link udor wrote: Ms Katie Blair wrote: Of course... if Coco had a considerably smaller butt... much smaller... she wouldn't garner that much attention... Well I dont see Kate Moss on the cover any time soon Jun 23 14 01:42 pm Link everything has its place everything isn't for everyone... the difference is, "urban glamour" doesn't exist - hence my reference to the word "design" Jun 23 14 01:44 pm Link  this would be "urban" glamour, but who is she wearing? D&G, Valentino...can't be "urban" till you see the "metropolis" explored in other "brands" associated w/ the model. as well as photog & studio & etc. Jun 23 14 01:48 pm Link sonn wrote: Sorry to disappoint you but thats a fashion shot Jun 23 14 02:54 pm Link lol...  urban jacket...false propositioning of urban glamour. funny people think they know everything. Jun 23 14 04:09 pm Link sonn wrote: That shot is fashion not Glamour. Jun 23 14 04:36 pm Link sonn wrote: You clearly have no idea what you are talking about and don't know the difference between the genres of fashion or Glamour. Jun 23 14 04:39 pm Link  according to this book, i am correct. so i'll go w/ that... Jun 23 14 04:53 pm Link I also like to point out, I never mentioned an image being 'glamour' i said an image was trying to be 'urban glamour' and end up stumbling... Lastly, I think its funny they use the word Glamour in true blood, as another way of saying mesmerize. Well this is my angle when replying...its funny being Black & of the Urban Experience, I think I have super credibility, not to mention I've worked in high-end fashion for brands like LVMH as well as being a photographer & sadly, some people think they can project because of 'industry' definition...The reality is, as far as this discussion goes, Urban Glamour doesn't exist because we are just now getting recognized as the 'main subject'...I'll let Nick Knight explain better: He says he is a prude, but Nick Knight has been photographing a lot of nudes recently. He shot the model Sophie Dahl for i-D magazine in all her curvaceous glory—except that her curves were not glorious enough. When she arrived at the studio, Ms. Dahl had been on a diet. “I curved her up on the Paint Box and made her tummy bigger, her breasts bigger, her bottom bigger,” he says. That’s why the images in i-D’ s New Beauty issue in March looked a little unreal, as though this was a body that had been gently eased from a jelly mould. Not only does the camera lie, but the computer paint box can triple your cup size with one single swoop of the mouse. As Knight admits, photography is not a good medium to record reality: “If you want reality, look out of the window.” Fashion photographers traditionally spend hours in the darkroom—re-touching, streamlining, shaving off a slight hip bulge here, a dimple in the bum there. Nick Knight, however, has perfected the art of enhancement. He also has the great gift of anticipating trends. The shoot with Dahl made her an instant celebrity. Then he was credited with another fashion coup. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2h4YzK_A9eU - obviously i'd take it there lol http://somethinofnothin.net/blog/wordpr … ck-knight/ Jun 23 14 05:00 pm Link sonn wrote: Well... I have never seen True Blood... but I know that's a supernatural show. You say it's funny that they use "glamour" and meaning "mesmerizing"... well... Let's just be said that there is a a form of magick that is called "glamour" and refers to enhancing attributes, and sometimes appearances of the witch or warlock... So, using the word "glamour" in a supernatural show isn't really that far fetched. sonn wrote: I am really wondering what that entire paragraph about Nick Knight has to to with any of that issue? That he made a woman, who wasn't fat enough, fatter in post for a fashion magazine? Jun 23 14 07:17 pm Link Look up Sarah Baartman & khoikhoi & the video that goes w/ the paragraph & maybe even the blog post...it all goes together for me. Lastly, I know it isn't far fetched, this word glamour being magical...I used sarcasm a bit too much maybe Jun 23 14 11:29 pm Link sonn wrote: I am familiar with Mrs. Baartman's story. Jun 23 14 11:55 pm Link Wrong (imo). Black Men sharing the beauty of their beloved Black Women unfortunately have the same malice as the French pigs who poked at Venus. I like video vixens, but like most manly things, it has turned into standard as if no one looks different, king/smooth have fallen in the same trap as maxim. Jun 24 14 12:35 am Link sonn wrote: Although I don't think my observation is wrong, maybe I don't express it the best way... I do think that you make sense! Jun 24 14 01:09 am Link Its funny, I didn't want to say wrong, but its not right...again, this is my opinion, but it holds weight because...have you seen the epidemic of plastic surgery horror? So, there is this is thing in 'magic' called 'ritual'...lol Anyway, on a lighter note... I like what purple mag did w/ badu...I worked on urb mag redesign & she is amazing. So, this is a proper segue (for the conversation & reality of 'black/urban glamour')   Notice I didn't show the afro one? Because every style of hair is intrinsic to the same 'black' people...so when I speak of 'glamour' it is a very 'general' word. glam·our noun \ˈgla-mər\ : a very exciting and attractive quality Full Definition of GLAMOUR 1 : a magic spell <the girls appeared to be under a glamour — Llewelyn Powys> 2 : an exciting and often illusory and romantic attractiveness <the glamour of Hollywood>; especially : alluring or fascinating attraction —often used attributively <glamour stock> <glamour girls> <whooping cranes and … other glamour birds — R. T. Peterson> — glamour transitive verb Jun 24 14 02:08 am Link I wonder why a person without tits and ass would want to do glamour? It's like me walking around saying I want to be a fashion model  Jun 24 14 02:17 am Link MartaBrixton wrote: See...that's the point of this thread, to try to understand the difference between glamour and urban glamour... Jun 24 14 03:01 pm Link Although I'm sure it's politically correct to say "It's all glamour, let's hold hands and just shoot photographs" it's also a cop out of people afraid to just define the type of work they want to do. There is a definite vibe that "urban glamour" seeks to convey. Typically it's women of color in a shoot styled with a heavy hip hop influence, with a lot of emphasis placed on the butt of said woman of color. Are people afraid to say there is a "black culture" for fear of being labelled racist or something? Doesn't matter if the women being photographed are black, white, latina or Asian..."urban glamour" takes it's cues mainly from hip hop culture and it's how most people would differentiate it from "glamour". Jun 24 14 03:11 pm Link David Agbodji – was ranked #4 on Models.com's Top 50 Male Models list in early 2013.[2] Has modeled for Banana Republic, Calvin Klein, Express, Kenneth Cole and Vivienne Westwood and appeared in editorials in GQ Style, Interview (magazine), Numero, V, Vogue Hommes and Vogue Paris.[2] J. Alexander – model, runway coach and America's Next Top Model judge. Walked for Jean Paul Gaultier. Karen Alexander – African-American fashion model and actress. Has appeared in the Sports Illustrated Swimsuit Issue twice and on the January 1989 cover of Vogue. Teyona Anderson – African American fashion model. Winner of America's Next Top Model, Cycle 12. Rebecca Ayoko – Togo-born model of the 1980s and 90s, one of Yves Saint-Laurent's leading models and sometime muse. Also modeled for leading houses in Europe and the US, Geoffrey Beene, Oscar de la Renta. Tyra Banks, chosen by Time in 2008 as one of the world's 100 most influential people.[3] Tyra Banks – first African-American to grace the covers of GQ and the Sports Illustrated's Swimsuit Issue and become a Victoria's Secret Angel. Host/creator of America's Next Top Model. Tyson Beckford, chosen by music cable network Vh1 as "Man of the Year" in 1995. Tyson Beckford – top male model of the 1990s and 2000s, actor and host of Bravo's Make Me a Supermodel. Beckford was the first African-American model to sign an exclusive contract with Ralph Lauren.[4] In 1995, he was chosen as "Man of the Year" by cable television music network Vh1 and named to People's 50 Most Beautiful People in the World list.[4] Shari Belafonte – model of the 1980s. Minah Ogbenyealu Bird – Nigerian model and actress active in the UK in the 1970s. Appeared in such films as Percy's Progress, The Stud and The London Connection.Naomi Campbell – first black (British) model to grace the covers of French Vogue Paris (August 1988 issue) and Time magazine (TIME Magazine Europe 9/18/91), and the second for the cover of British Vogue (December 1987 issue). Dorothea Church – African American pioneering model. She was the first successful black fashion model in Paris. D[edit] Yaya DaCosta – African American actress and fashion model. Runner-up in Cycle 3 of America's Next Top Model. Agbani Darego – Nigerian model and winner of Miss World competition 2001. She worked for brands such as L'Oréal cosmetics. Bruce Darnell – American model who modeled for Calvin Klein, Hermès, Issey Miyake and Kenzo. Former judge of Germany's Next Topmodel and Germany's Das Supertalent and coach for Switzerland's Top Model. Jourdan Dunn – British model known for walking major runways like Jean Paul Gaultier Selita Ebanks – former Victoria's Secret Angel. Has also modeled for Abercrombie & Fitch and Tommy Hilfiger. Danielle Evans – winner of America's Next Top Model, Cycle 6. Has had campaigns for CoverGirl, Sephora, and Akademiks. Tomiko Fraser – African American fashion model and actress. Best known for being the face of Maybelline as well as her role in the movie, Head Over Heels. Malaika Firth - Kenyan model from London. First black model to appear in a Prada campaign in 19 years. Quiana Grant – African-American model. Appeared in the 2008 Sports Illustrated Swimsuit Issue. Tanisha Harper – African-American model, actress and television host. Appeared in The Bold and the Beautiful and ABC's Ugly Betty. Marsha A. Hunt – African American model, singer, novelist, and actress. Chanel Iman – Korean/African-American who has modeled Dolce & Gabbana, Issey Miyake, Kenzo, Marc Jacobs, Valentino, Bottega Veneta, Dsquared, Hermès, Moschino, Oscar de la Renta, Jean Paul Gaultier and Stella McCartney. The only black woman to grace the cover of the May 2007 issue of American Vogue with nine other girls as the next generation of supermodels. Beverly Johnson – first African-American to grace the covers of American Vogue (August 1974 issue) and French Elle (1975). Kidada Jones – African-American actress, model, and fashion designer. Appeared in Tommy Hilfiger advertisements, and dated Tupac Shakur at the time of his death. Toccara Jones – African-American fashion model and occasional actress and television personality. Contestant on the third season of the UPN series America's Next Top Model. She is the first black plus-size model to grace the pages of Vogue Italia. Grace Jones – Jamaican-American model, actress, singer and a muse to Andy Warhol. Kiara Kabukuru – American fashion model of Ugandan descent who has appeared in ads for Gucci and CoverGirl cosmetics. She also graced the cover of American Vogue in 1997. Sessilee Lopez at the Barbie 50th Anniversary Collection Janet Langhart – African American model, television journalist and author. Noémie Lenoir – French biracial model of Malagasy descent who has appeared in ads for L'Oréal, Gap, and other well-known companies. Has graced the covers of many fashion magazines worldwide. Sessilee Lopez – black model of Dominican descent who has appeared in Vogue Italia in its famous black issue, as well as walking in the 2008 Victoria's Secret Fashion Show. Donyale Luna – American fashion model of the 1960s and early 1970s. The first black model to appear on the cover of British Vogue. Damaris Lewis – African American model who appeared in the 2009, 2010, and 2011 Sports Illustrated Swimsuit Issues. Anais Mali – Mali was born in Toulon, France, to a mother from Chad and a Polish father. Walked for Marc Jacobs, Vera Wang, Derek Lam, Vivienne Westwood, Cynthia Rowley, Carolina Herrera. Joined the Angels for Victoria's Secret Fashion Show 2011. Sacha M'Baye – has modeled for American Eagle, Burberry, Gap and Tommy Hilfiger. Eva Marcille – first African-American to win the reality show America's Next Top Model. Denny Méndez – former beauty queen turned model and actress who represented Italy in the 1997 Miss Universe pageant. Naima Mora – winner of America's Next Top Model, Cycle 4. Mounia – the Martinique native was a muse to and runway model for Yves Saint Laurent. His Porgy and Bess collection made her a celebrity. Graced 15 covers including WWD. Ajuma Nasenyana – Kenyan model who has appeared in catalogs for Issey Miyake and walked the runway for Baby Phat, Ungaro, Vivienne Westwood and the 2006 show for Victoria's Secret. Katoucha Niane – Senegalese-French model and outspoken activist against female circumcision. Munachi Nwankwo – Nigerian model and hip-hop artist. Won Most Beautiful Girl in Nigeria pageant in 2007. Lana Ogilvie – Canadian model seen in frequent Cover Girl ads in the 1990s.Also profiled in 1994 Sports Illustrated Swimsuit Issue. Gail O'Neill – African American fashion model who has become a television journalist. Appeared in the Sports Illustrated Swimsuit Issue. Continues to model actively as of 2009. Oluchi Onweagba – Nigerian model and winner of M-NET/Nokia 'Face of Africa' competition 1998. She has featured in multiple ad campaigns, including Gianfranco Ferré, Victoria's Secret, Express, Banana Republic, and Ann Taylor. Beverly Peele – first African-American to grace the cover of Mademoiselle in 1989. Daisi Pollard – Jamaican-American beauty queen and television personality. Georgianna Robertson – model in the 1990s. Shaun Ross – albino male model, who was appeared in editorials for Vogue Italia and i-D and modeled for Alexander McQueen and Givenchy. Arlenis Sosa, Dominican fashion model, at the Carlos Miele Spring 2009 Collection Bre Scullark – third runner-up of America's Next Top Model, Cycle 5 Naomi Sims – model of the late 1960s and 1970s. One of the first successful black models. Mecia Simone Simson – winner of Britain's Next Top Model, Cycle 5. Mercedes Scelba-Shorte – runner-up of America's Next Top Model in Cycle 2 Moruna Sheppard – Trinidadian-American fashion model, spokesmodel, actress, writer and humanitarian. Known for her Golden-Ratio measurements. New York Atlanta Munich Exclusive in Munich Germany. Joan Smalls – Puerto Rican fashion model. B. Smith – Pennsylvania native began her career with the Ebony Fashion Show and went on to grace the cover of Mademoiselle (magazine) in July 1976. Currently a successful entrepreneur. Toukie Smith – African American actress and model. Sister of late fashion designer Willi Smith and former long-term partner of actor Robert De Niro. Arlenis Sosa – Dominican model who has graced the cover of Time Magazine, and has walked many runways, like Derek Lam and Diane von Fürstenberg. Saleisha Stowers – winner of America's Next Top Model, Cycle 9. Kimora Lee Simmons – is an American fashion model, author, and former president and Creative Director for Phat Fashions. Peggy Dillard-Toone – second African-American to grace the cover of Vogue Magazine August,1978. Alum of Pratt Institute. Louise Vyent – Dutch born model popular in the 1990s. Featured in the 1990 Sports Illustrated Swimsuit Issue.Featured on multiple Glamour magazine covers. Jessica White at the Vanity Fair party for the 2012 Tribeca Film Festival Eugena Washington – African-American model signed to Elite Model Management in Los Angeles and Chicago, Photogenics in Los Angeles, Irene Marie Models in Miami (Billed as Eugenia Washington) and Stellar Model Management. Second runner-up on America's Next Top Model, Cycle 7. Veronica Webb – first Black model to sign with a major cosmetics company (Revlon). Alek Wek – Sudanese model who, aside from gracing magazine covers and being featured in ad campaigns, has walked the runway for high-profile fashion designers such as John Galliano, Donna Karan, and Calvin Klein. Jessica White – African American model and occasional actress. Roshumba Williams – African American model, actress, television host, and correspondent and reality show judge. First became internationally famous for her appearance in the prestigious Sports Illustrated Swimsuit Edition. Kara Young – California born model popular in the 1990s. Landed the coveted Vogue cover on three occasions. Credit: Wikipedia Jun 24 14 05:11 pm Link Ms Katie Blair wrote: Seeing the Urban Glamour contest didnt help ? Jun 25 14 01:46 pm Link Brooklyn Bridge Images wrote: That's just using "urban" to describe women of color. Jun 25 14 04:59 pm Link Mark C Smith wrote: Being in Canada I am assuming you are unaware of the American Sub culture that is Urban Glamour Jun 25 14 07:51 pm Link Brooklyn Bridge Images wrote: Oh crap my fiancee's ex is on that link running for miss new booty Lol small world Jun 25 14 08:02 pm Link A-M-P wrote: Doh !!! Jun 25 14 08:03 pm Link Brooklyn Bridge Images wrote: lol and we know what assuming leads to. Toronto has one of the biggest hip hop scenes in North America FYI Look at my first reply in this thread just a few messages up. Jun 26 14 08:27 pm Link forgive me... I'm an etymologist ... & using words like 'black' are obviously dumb to begin w/ cause no one is a color... Lastly...does anyone use a dictionary & I don't mean 'urban' dictionary *harhar...(funny pun) ... ur·ban adjective ˈər-bən : of or relating to cities and the people who live in them ... hmmmm... This writer does a great work on this subject: http://voodoohowyacall.tumblr.com/post/ … rt-and-ass Just because I think its healthy for the conversation. Aug 30 14 01:36 pm Link sonn wrote: As an etymologist, do you believe country music only involves songs relating to regions identified as distinct entities in political geography?* Aug 30 14 02:28 pm Link I'm in Co Springs its considered the west which is considered Country...like Wild West so....makes sense... annnnnnd... black people don't make sense...its not a country called black is it. well sir, you are as dumb as the person who thinks they are 'white' or 'yellow' & etc. I have a nationality, so have fun w/ your straw man. I'm not black & no one that I know is...although they do have brownish skin colors...I don't call them brown...we're called by our 'race' per se...ie. Chinese aren't Yellow people are they...? I get the 'colloquialism' — I also get the reality that 'colored' people don't exist but words of color do! *for the records, i state to 'forgive me' in the beginning because I am guilty of using these trashy, connotative, abstracted words of art. i was speaking to myself, but obviously I'm simply the antagonizing etymologist lol Aug 30 14 03:15 pm Link OP is gone Aug 30 14 04:39 pm Link sonn wrote: So, you would call black people African-American? That isn't any better. Aug 30 14 06:59 pm Link sonn wrote: I generally describe people using the terms that they choose for themselves. Many people identify themselves as Black. Out of respect for their right to define themselves as they choose, I use the same term. Aug 30 14 07:08 pm Link Ms Katie Blair wrote: In the words of Peter Tosh: Aug 30 14 07:53 pm Link I'm not African...I'm from America...lol...I'm not black either cause thats a COLOR not a NATIONALITY!!  I'll go deeper ... au·toch·tho·nous ôˈtäkTHənəs (of an inhabitant of a place) indigenous rather than descended from migrants or colonists. Geology (of a deposit or formation) formed in its present position. ... lastly...I'd like to see you go into court IGNORING etymology lol...  If all your friends jump off a bridge... *last thing I'll say is this, black/negro/colored are commercial terms used as branding the original people of this land to make one less than the other. hence my argument in the beginning... 'can't be "urban" till you see the "metropolis" explored in other "brands" associated w/ the model. as well as photog & studio & etc.' meaning...she wearing brands that have nothing to do w/ her economically...thus...another failed attempt at helping the poor black people of the world be fashioned lol Aug 31 14 09:15 am Link xxxxxxxx wrote: I have been a photographer for over 30 years and these are my reflections on the issue.: Aug 31 14 09:22 am Link sonn wrote: still not black tho! Aug 31 14 09:32 am Link Might want to link those 18+ images Aug 31 14 09:40 am Link fixed Aug 31 14 09:45 am Link sonn wrote: you are either being uselessly argumentative or totally clueless. this book is replete with examples of urban glamour. it's by the art book publisher Taschen, but much of the work comes from magazine editorial. Aug 31 14 02:37 pm Link NothingIsRealButTheGirl wrote: Yes but that won't stop people not in an industry debating terms used in that industry in detail. Aug 31 14 02:50 pm Link |
finally, I'm pretty much all legs..what are some publications that cater to legs, maybe I could start there. 
