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Babydoll123
Posts: 2
Snellville, Georgia, US
I thought I was ok with nudity. I have gotten a few tf offers and at first i'm happy and excited 2 of them all of sudden offer pay.Then O do some research or ask more questions then that artstic nude turns to porn. How can I avoid this i'm afraid now. That I will be tricked or something. I will not do nude until I learn more.
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B R U N E S C I
Posts: 25319
Bath, England, United Kingdom
Babydoll123 wrote:
I thought I was ok with nudity. I have gotten a few tf offers and at first i'm happy and excited 2 of them all of sudden offer pay.Then O do some research or ask more questions then that artstic nude turns to porn. How can I avoid this i'm afraid now. That I will be tricked or something. I will not do nude until I learn more. Learn how to say no.... and MEAN IT!
Just my $0.02
Ciao
Stefano
www.stefanobrunesci.com
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Cole Morrison
Posts: 3958
Portland, Oregon, US
-B-R-U-N-E-S-C-I- wrote:
Learn how to say no.... and MEAN IT!
Just my $0.02
Ciao
Stefano
www.stefanobrunesci.com couldnt say it better myself. the best way to not do something you dont want to do is to simply not do it.
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Miss AY
Posts: 8166
Bulqizë, Bulqizë, Albania
I don't know how you can be tricked into doing porn. You either say yes and do it or say no and don't do it. Very easy.
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Art of the nude
Posts: 12067
Grand Rapids, Michigan, US
Babydoll123 wrote:
I thought I was ok with nudity. I have gotten a few tf offers and at first i'm happy and excited 2 of them all of sudden offer pay.Then O do some research or ask more questions then that artstic nude turns to porn. How can I avoid this i'm afraid now. That I will be tricked or something. I will not do nude until I learn more. This is a good idea.
Best wishes.
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MountAnnanImages
Posts: 46
Sydney, New South Wales, Australia
You partly answered your own question. Do your research thoroughly - and as a first thing. Get in contact with people he has photographed before. If he is reluctant to offer references, ask why. Another alternative is to insist that you come with a friend to be at the shoot. Don't accept shoots from people who want to change conditions of a shoot after you have made arrangements with them. You have the right to refuse a shoot.
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Miss AY
Posts: 8166
Bulqizë, Bulqizë, Albania
MountAnnanImages wrote:
You partly answered your own question. If you are now sure, do your research thoroughly - and as a first thing. Get in contact with people he has photographed before. If he is reluctant to offer references, ask why. Another alternative is to insist that you come with a friend to be at the shoot. Don't accept shoots from people who want to change conditions of a shoot after you have made arrangements with them. You have the right to refuse a shoot. Yes, because if OP goes to a shoot alone she might accidentally start doing porn. Best be sure there's someone there to stop her just in case 
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Fotographic Aspirations
Posts: 1966
Long Beach, California, US
Porn is how your parents made you, nude is when they were finished making you :-)
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American Glamour
Posts: 38813
Detroit, Michigan, US
MountAnnanImages wrote:
You partly answered your own question. If you are now sure, do your research thoroughly - and as a first thing. Get in contact with people he has photographed before. If he is reluctant to offer references, ask why. Another alternative is to insist that you come with a friend to be at the shoot. Don't accept shoots from people who want to change conditions of a shoot after you have made arrangements with them. You have the right to refuse a shoot. Augustine York wrote:
Yes, because if OP goes to a shoot alone she might accidentally start doing porn. Best be sure there's someone there to stop her just in case I was thinking the exact same thing.
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AJ_In_Atlanta
Posts: 13053
Atlanta, Georgia, US
Modeling is not for you, best of luck in your future endeavors.
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Art of the nude
Posts: 12067
Grand Rapids, Michigan, US
MountAnnanImages wrote:
You partly answered your own question. If you are now sure, do your research thoroughly - and as a first thing. Get in contact with people he has photographed before. If he is reluctant to offer references, ask why. Another alternative is to insist that you come with a friend to be at the shoot. Don't accept shoots from people who want to change conditions of a shoot after you have made arrangements with them. You have the right to refuse a shoot. Augustine York wrote:
Yes, because if OP goes to a shoot alone she might accidentally start doing porn. Best be sure there's someone there to stop her just in case 
You're awesome!!
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Wysiwyg Photography
Posts: 6326
Salt Lake City, Utah, US
Babydoll123 wrote:
I thought I was ok with nudity. I have gotten a few tf offers and at first i'm happy and excited 2 of them all of sudden offer pay.Then O do some research or ask more questions then that artstic nude turns to porn. How can I avoid this i'm afraid now. That I will be tricked or something. I will not do nude until I learn more. I agree.. learn about it before you do it.. that's smart.
a lot of models start doing nudes with photographers they have shot with before and trust... as you gain confidence, you will start to see what people are like what kind of references they have and so on... sometimes (not all of the time).. you can just take a look at there portfolio and automatically know that the photographer's vision, and your vision of what "Art" is, aren't compatible.
Most importantly.. just say "no" if you feel uneasy about ANY shoot.
Body Painter
Extreme Body Art
Posts: 4938
South Jordan, Utah, US
MountAnnanImages wrote:
You partly answered your own question. Do your research thoroughly - and as a first thing. Get in contact with people he has photographed before. If he is reluctant to offer references, ask why. Another alternative is to insist that you come with a friend to be at the shoot. Don't accept shoots from people who want to change conditions of a shoot after you have made arrangements with them. You have the right to refuse a shoot. 
Coming from someone who has been present at shoots... requests for doing "porn", groping the model, or even outrageous requests are not stopped by having a "friend" at the shoot... sorry..
The rest of your advice is actually pretty sound.. but a friend at the shoot will not stop "porn" requests... I know.. because I have been there when the photographer has asked for such things.
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Miss AY
Posts: 8166
Bulqizë, Bulqizë, Albania
In all seriousness OP... it's okay to feel nervous or unsure about nudes. It is okay to be interested in them but want to proceed with caution. As they say - you can't unring a bell, so if you want to try out a nude shoot I would suggest shooting with someone who you really trust, or even better - go out and hire a photographer who does nude photography that you love. That way you have control over whether those images are released and you know exactly what you'll be doing because you will be calling the shots. For future shoots, lay out your boundaries from the start. Be very specific about what you will and will not do or show. Using photo examples can be helpful at times to demonstrate what you feel comfortable shooting. If someone is pressuring you to pose in a way you do not feel comfortable... tell them you appreciate their interest but that you are not suited for their project. And then you can both move on with your lives If you are at a shoot and someone is pressing your boundaries, say no, and if they continue being a dick about it, pack your things and leave. I hope that is helpful!
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Filles de Pin-up
Posts: 3218
Wichita, Kansas, US
Babydoll123 wrote:
I thought I was ok with nudity. I have gotten a few tf offers and at first i'm happy and excited 2 of them all of sudden offer pay.Then O do some research or ask more questions then that artstic nude turns to porn. How can I avoid this i'm afraid now. That I will be tricked or something. I will not do nude until I learn more. Find a more experienced model to be your mentor. There is a list of models willing to be mentors.
Check references, but do not depend on them completely. What is creepy or offensive to one, might be OK to someone else. Make sure the photographer is capable of doing quality work and delivers.
Think about long term ramifications. If your employer found the images, could you lose your job? Would it keep you from getting a future job? To the common person nudity = porn. Would you be able to cope emotionally with neighbors or co-workers having nude images of you?
https://www.modelmayhem.com/education/m … as-a-model
http://www.selfmademodel.com
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Michael McGowan
Posts: 3829
Tucson, Arizona, US
If you don't want to do porn, don't.
But be sure you know what you're talking about. The U.S. has some legal definitions of porn that involve lascivious display of genitals and actual penetration. There are also some legalities involving simulated sex that fall under the porn laws when it comes to children.
Anyway, do your research so you're able to tell potential clients what's OK for you and what isn't. Ask for specifics about any shoot and be comfortable when you go to shoot.
Problem is that lots of folks consider certain things to be pornographic when they technically aren't. Frankly, it doesn't matter what you call it if you don't want to do it, but if you want to communicate meaningfully about it, you need to use the right words.
Ultimately, if you don't want to ... just say no.
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Greg Kolack
Posts: 18392
Elmhurst, Illinois, US
Augustine York wrote:
Yes, because if OP goes to a shoot alone she might accidentally start doing porn. Best be sure there's someone there to stop her just in case Hey! I was tricked into shoving that penis into my vagina!
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MesmerEyes Photography
Posts: 3102
Galveston, Texas, US
MountAnnanImages wrote:
You partly answered your own question. Do your research thoroughly - and as a first thing. Get in contact with people he has photographed before. If he is reluctant to offer references, ask why. Another alternative is to insist that you come with a friend to be at the shoot. Don't accept shoots from people who want to change conditions of a shoot after you have made arrangements with them. You have the right to refuse a shoot. +1
Never do anything that you are uncomfortable with. Be true to yourself.
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PhotoVision
Posts: 100
New York, New York, US
The porn industry doesn't need any more women. Try and only take photos where you know who the intended audience is. I.E. Not horny men jacking off to your picture.
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Rick Edwards
Posts: 6185
Wilmington, Delaware, US
-B-R-U-N-E-S-C-I- wrote:
Learn how to say no.... and MEAN IT!
Just my $0.02
Ciao
Stefano
www.stefanobrunesci.com ^^^ this
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Malloch
Posts: 2566
Hastings, England, United Kingdom
-B-R-U-N-E-S-C-I- wrote:
Learn how to say no.... and MEAN IT!
Just my $0.02
Ciao
Stefano
www.stefanobrunesci.com This is the solution
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Wysiwyg Photography
Posts: 6326
Salt Lake City, Utah, US
Greg Kolack wrote:
Hey! I was tricked into shoving that penis into my vagina! Well... I know this was said to be "tongue in cheek"... but 'manipulation' is still rape in my mind.. if you have to talk time into it... they might be conceding because they feel you won't give up if they continue to say no.
All I'm saying is... if they are hesitant with the "oh.. ok..." I feel that's not fully consensual.
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Drew Smith Photography
Posts: 5214
Nottingham, England, United Kingdom
Augustine York wrote:
Yes, because if OP goes to a shoot alone she might accidentally start doing porn. Best be sure there's someone there to stop her just in case Wow. Give the girl a break.
I imagine that she is concerned that she will end up on a location shoot that started out as one thing and suddenly is being 'coherence' to do something else.
And it's all very well saying 'just say no' and 'walk away' but being in a situation like that is frightening.
She's a newbie - 1 post, come on guys.
OP - maybe you can just relax and sit back a while before committing to a shoot. Take the time to read all the forum 'sticky' post on how to be safe etc. and read some of the threads pertinent to your concerns.
Anything in life can be a risk but you need to learn how to reduce and limit those risks and do due diligence. On MM one of the best ways is to check references and if the people you want to work with don't have any then maybe you should decide not to work with them.
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KaliChaos
Posts: 294
Plymouth, England, United Kingdom
Babydoll123 wrote:
I thought I was ok with nudity. I have gotten a few tf offers and at first i'm happy and excited 2 of them all of sudden offer pay.Then O do some research or ask more questions then that artstic nude turns to porn. How can I avoid this i'm afraid now. That I will be tricked or something. I will not do nude until I learn more. Put something in your profile stating that you don't do adult images but you are comfortable with art nudes... Be sure to keep to this while communicating with photographers. If you don't tell them your levels, or they are unsure on how far you'll go they will ask for more then you thought...
It happens, don't worry about it. You can always say no.
Kayz Modelling
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R A V E N D R I V E
Posts: 15867
New York, New York, US
Augustine York wrote:
I don't know how you can be tricked into doing porn. You either say yes and do it or say no and don't do it. Very easy. a lot of people are a lot less assertive than you might think
I hear it has something to do with chemtrails lol.
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Dagger133
Posts: 362
Cambridge, Ontario, Canada
Here have a good read of this, it has some really good information about starting to shoot nudes. http://novicenudes.blogspot.ca But until you are comfortable explaining exactly what you will and wont shoot, you may want to take fetish off your list of Genres. The line between nude and porn is not nearly as blurry as between fetish and porn. best of luck.
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afplcc
Posts: 6020
Fairfax, Virginia, US
Babydoll123 wrote:
I thought I was ok with nudity. I have gotten a few tf offers and at first i'm happy and excited 2 of them all of sudden offer pay.Then O do some research or ask more questions then that artstic nude turns to porn. How can I avoid this i'm afraid now. That I will be tricked or something. I will not do nude until I learn more. I've got a couple of suggestions. And most of this isn't just for porn vs. nudity, it applies to all situations for models.
1. Be clear on your limits/boundaries as a model. Don't think: "I'll shoot art nudes or glamour nudes but not porn." The reason why is: a good photographer can take a specific pose and...based on DoF or lighting or angle, make it artistic. A GWC or creep can take the same pose and make it porn. And no, I'm not saying it's all about lighting. I'm saying that you need to be clear in your mind what specific boundaries you have for posing. For instance, there is a full-time, traveling model here on MM I've done a lot of work with. She did a shoot where the photographer said he wanted erect nipples and he gave her an ice cube (which she then dumped in the sink). That's a line for her. Some models say "no open legs". Every model should decide what her boundaries are (whether it involved nudity or any thing...fetish, fashion, outdoor risks like hanging from a bridge or trespassing). But think it through and be clear on them (both in your mind and in your profile). That way you avoid a slippery slope.
2. Check the photographer out. Look at who they've shot with, check their portfolio, check references if you feel that's useful. That's no guarantee this problem won't happen but it reduces the chances if you do a little research.
3. Manage expectations. Have pre-shoot communication, talk about poses, talk about what you will or won't do. The more of this you do, the less likely you are to have situations like this (either b/c of a misunderstanding or b/c of a creep figuring he can talk/guilt you in to it).
4. Be willing to end the shoot and walk out.
One last thought specific to you (and this is not a critique). Most established, veteran photographers will not pay a brand new, inexperienced model to pose nude. Most of my art nudes are shot TF. The exceptions (at least for me) are veteran models who do this fulltime, have a track record and a professional portfolio (like Sie ist Idaho or Sera Ferron). So if you're a new model and someone offers you money to pose nude, that doesn't mean they're a creep but your radar should be up at that point.
Ed
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Tiara
Posts: 655
Lawrenceville, Georgia, US
Look at the photographers port first if what he has is more pornish (probably not a real word) then more than likely that's the type of look he is going for.
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GeM Photographic
Posts: 2456
Racine, Wisconsin, US
Augustine York wrote:
In all seriousness OP...
it's okay to feel nervous or unsure about nudes. It is okay to be interested in them but want to proceed with caution. As they say - you can't unring a bell, so if you want to try out a nude shoot I would suggest shooting with someone who you really trust, or even better - go out and hire a photographer who does nude photography that you love. That way you have control over whether those images are released and you know exactly what you'll be doing because you will be calling the shots.
For future shoots, lay out your boundaries from the start. Be very specific about what you will and will not do or show. Using photo examples can be helpful at times to demonstrate what you feel comfortable shooting. If someone is pressuring you to pose in a way you do not feel comfortable... tell them you appreciate their interest but that you are not suited for their project. And then you can both move on with your lives
If you are at a shoot and someone is pressing your boundaries, say no, and if they continue being a dick about it, pack your things and leave.
I hope that is helpful! Well said!
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Greg Kolack
Posts: 18392
Elmhurst, Illinois, US
Wysiwyg Photography wrote:
Well... I know this was said to be "tongue in cheek"... but 'manipulation' is still rape in my mind.. if you have to talk time into it... they might be conceding because they feel you won't give up if they continue to say no.
All I'm saying is... if they are hesitant with the "oh.. ok..." I feel that's not fully consensual. Yes, it was tongue in cheek. To make a point.
I get your point, but she made no mention about being raped. She said "tricked into doing pornography."
Maybe its semantics, but to me being "tricked" into something means you don't realize its happening. I find it difficult to believe someone could start doing porn shots without knowing it. Maybe she meant coerced - or talked into it. That would make more sense.
Perhaps I'm a stickler for semantics, but that's my reaction to what she said about being "tricked."
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HalfMoonColorado
Posts: 797
Murrells Inlet, South Carolina, US
Your general topic is so subjective. What is artistic to one is porn to another. In general porn (to me) is going to involve another person, masterbaition, sex toys, and sometimes the wardrobe selection. Personally I think legs spread wide open and full labia exposure can enter that realm very quickly.
I often review some sample images with the model ahead of time explaining that they are examples of what we might shoot. I make it clear that specific body parts can be shown differently if need be.
I also allow the model to see any image and decide if they want it deleted right from the camera. This is based on a couple guidelines though. If they just think the shot makes their ass look big then that doesn't qualify for deletion. Chances are I would delete it anyway if I don't need it. And, if for instance, she agrees ahead of time that nipples be shown and half the session involves that then I have to think about it since she just wasted my day.
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DMesser Photography
Posts: 1288
Oceanside, California, US
Artistic and Erotic nudes taken properly are beautiful and have nothing to do with Porn. One thing you can do is look at the photographers nudes, and then message some of his models to see how he is on the set and if they would work with him/her again. Get information from the models themselves. Then make your decision. Don't give up on either artistic or erotic nudes, just because a photographer has lied to you. Do some homework prior to setting up the shoot. Good luck dear.
Don
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KimCalNude
Posts: 55
Newport Beach, California, US
Augustine York wrote:
I don't know how you can be tricked into doing porn. You either say yes and do it or say no and don't do it. Very easy. Agree!
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Colorblinded
Posts: 675
Rochester, New York, US
-B-R-U-N-E-S-C-I- wrote:
Learn how to say no.... and MEAN IT! Absolutely.
Make sure you go through their portfolios, maybe contact models they've worked with if you aren't sure. If you have any doubts then just say no.
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S W I N S K E Y
Posts: 24376
Saint Petersburg, Florida, US
Babydoll123 wrote:
I thought I was ok with nudity. I have gotten a few tf offers and at first i'm happy and excited 2 of them all of sudden offer pay.Then O do some research or ask more questions then that artstic nude turns to porn. How can I avoid this i'm afraid now. That I will be tricked or something. I will not do nude until I learn more. hold on, you can be tricked into having sex on camera?
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Koryn
Posts: 39496
Boston, Massachusetts, US
Here is the way to avoid your dilemma, and while it might read like a roundabout explanation because the advice can apply to various aspects of internet modeling, and not just eliminating porno/sketchy offers - believe me when I say it's 100% relevant to what you're asking: If people offer you paying jobs before you've even started building a portfolio, you should be skeptical. Very skeptical. The thing that brand new web-based models don't seem to understand is that, in order to be successful in the online networking market, you have to spend a long time building up a professional-looking portfolio, through TFP and/or paying photographers, before you start to reap the fruits of your labors. Even then, your initial paid offers are likely to be at seemingly low rates, and it requires even MORE time to build up to earning the rates for (nude) modeling that so many newish MMers seem to think they're entitled to simply by existing and being pretty. New models who post a portfolio, and are booking 2-3 TFP shoots every week asap, will probably still require about 6 months to have a "good" port, and start being able to book some paid work. New models who shoot trade only a few times per month, or live in an area without a lot of photographers, can require a couple years to be able to present themselves as professional and experienced, through the images accumulated in their ports. There are models who post a few cell phone pics, and BAM!, start getting non-scary paid offers --- but, realize this isn't the norm. It's pretty damned rare, and if you know someone this happened to, good for them, but don't assume it's common. In other words, OP, start booking trade shoots, as many as you can because the more professional YOU look to other people, the more professional the offers you receive will be. There's also no shame in paying for a good set of photos from a decent photographer; that's a shortcut to giving yourself credibility and getting respect as a model . Getting where you would like to be, from the moment you first post a picture at an online photo networking site, is really just about getting respect from the community, and that comes from putting in the effort to post a good, strong and diverse portfolio. It doesn't happen overnight.
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ontherocks
Posts: 23575
Salem, Oregon, US
if people are soliciting on mayhem for shots that aren't allowed here then i believe you can CAM them. i have heard of accounts being terminated. http://www.ripoffreport.com maybe find a more experienced model to help you? there are lots of legitimate shooters who will pay for nudes but there are some shady ones as well. and if they're wanting to pay a lot for a newbie that could mean adult. and always be prepared to leave a shoot immediately if the photographer does a bait
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Vintagevista
Posts: 11804
Sun City, California, US
ShivaKitty wrote:
Here is the way to avoid your dilemma, and while it might read like a roundabout explanation because the advice can apply to various aspects of internet modeling, and not just eliminating porno/sketchy offers - believe me when I say it's 100% relevant to what you're asking:
If people offer you paying jobs before you've even started building a portfolio, you should be skeptical. Very skeptical. The thing that brand new web-based models don't seem to understand is that, in order to be successful in the online networking market, you have to spend a long time building up a professional-looking portfolio, through TFP and/or paying photographers, before you start to reap the fruits of your labors. Even then, your initial paid offers are likely to be at seemingly low rates, and it requires even MORE time to build up to earning the rates for (nude) modeling that so many newish MMers seem to think they're entitled to simply by existing and being pretty.
New models who post a portfolio, and are booking 2-3 TFP shoots every week asap, will probably still require about 6 months to have a "good" port, and start being able to book some paid work. New models who shoot trade only a few times per month, or live in an area without a lot of photographers, can require a couple years to be able to present themselves as professional and experienced, through the images accumulated in their ports. There are models who post a few cell phone pics, and BAM!, start getting non-scary paid offers --- but, realize this isn't the norm. It's pretty damned rare, and if you know someone this happened to, good for them, but don't assume it's common.
In other words, OP, start booking trade shoots, as many as you can because the more professional YOU look to other people, the more professional the offers you receive will be. There's also no shame in paying for a good set of photos from a decent photographer; that's a shortcut to giving yourself credibility and getting respect as a model. Getting where you would like to be, from the moment you first post a picture at an online photo networking site, is really just about getting respect from the community, and that comes from putting in the effort to post a good, strong and diverse portfolio. It doesn't happen overnight. Shiva hit this one out of the park. ^^^^
Experience and communication is key.
And we have not heard what criteria the OP used for "tricked into porn". If the OP's "porn" radar goes - off at Playboy levels - that would change a lot.
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Armando D Photography
Posts: 614
Houston, Texas, US
If the op is still here, to put a line on the art nude vs porn put these two bulletins ------- 1.) No open leg shoots 2.) Anything that puts my fingers or objects #1 (you could rephrase it but it'll scare the gwc away) I will do art style nudes closed legs - body paint -------- Art style nudes are fun, but porn style shoots are just as fun lol' though to be honest its hard to say what is porn style because everyone has their different level and personal ideals, but #1 - #2 won't offend the person looking to work with you, just a nice heads up, vs attacking'
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M Pandolfo Photography
Posts: 12117
Tampa, Florida, US
Babydoll123 wrote:
I thought I was ok with nudity. I have gotten a few tf offers and at first i'm happy and excited 2 of them all of sudden offer pay.Then O do some research or ask more questions then that artstic nude turns to porn. How can I avoid this i'm afraid now. That I will be tricked or something. I will not do nude until I learn more. How does one get tricked into doing porn?
"I'm so ashamed. So there I am posing for nude photos and, bam!, a penis falls into my vagina."
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