Laura UnBound wrote:
Hes got at least 9, maybe 10 people to kill, a lot of money to do something with, a broken family, a busted friendship/partnership/whatever he even has with jesse...if he doesnt kill him to sort out, shit with marie, and hes gotta get away with all of it.


Thats kind of a lot of shit. I feel that all of it deserves detail and if a season were longer could absolutely be had without making the show overstay its welcome.

Killing can be done, $ can be done, jesse can be done, family is the hardest they might accept over time, aside from letting Marie kill him I don't think they'll be square, and I think he can get away with just about everything except being cool with Marie and Walt Jr.

Laura UnBound wrote:
The quality of the episodes has certainly been on par. I was just rooting for a different ending. Id hoped hank and gomez would get out of it somehow, Id hoped jesse would have made off a lot better than he has, Id hoped for something more scheming from walt than going off the grid. I feel like each episode I start out rooting for somebody and shit goes way sideways by the end of it and Im just kind of sad about it.

Ending the scene at the shootout I think was a way for us to face the fact that a majority of those 3 weren't gonna make it.  I'd rather Hank live than Jesse but whatever.

Laura UnBound wrote:
He might be a snitch, but I sympathize with him. Hes just wanted out of all of it and to go live his life someplace/somehow else for so long and walt repeatedly manipulates him back in, and then fucks him over handing him over to jacks crew because he wont take responsibility for the consequences of his own actions (hank getting shot)... Im just really holding out for jesse now. Walt can go die in a fire, hes basically just a horrible person, I cant feel bad for him anymore.

In general, I feel less sympathy for Jesse than others. The torture makes him more sympathetic but before that he knew how dangerous Walt could be and how tough it is to get the better of him. He listed all the reasons to not do that video while talking to Hank and had his chance to go away. Jesse's best plans were while Mike and Walt were arguing.

And I don't think Walt had the bargaining power to save Jesse from the Jack's crew when they wanted to take him.

Laura UnBound wrote:
He might be a snitch, but I sympathize with him. Hes just wanted out of all of it and to go live his life someplace/somehow else for so long

He had that chance, all he had to do was get in the van and disappear. He's where he is because he just had to "get" Walt for what he did ( to Brock )...

Jules NYC wrote:

joeyk wrote:

He had that chance, all he had to do was get in the van and disappear. He's where he is because he just had to "get" Walt for what he did ( to Brock )...

I know. Considering what walt did I dont blame jesse for wanting to get him back though. Was it stupid to think he COULD? Yeah. But it all comes back to none of that even needing to happen if it werent for walt being a huge dickbag.

Laura UnBound wrote:

I know. Considering what walt did I dont blame jesse for wanting to get him back though. Was it stupid to think he COULD? Yeah. But it all comes back to none of that even needing to happen if it werent for walt being a huge dickbag.

Walt treated Jesse like a pseudo Dad, an abusive one.  Jesse looked to him like a dog to his master. Then Jesse wised up, literally became more capable in everything.  Jesse had streets smarts where Walt didn't but Jesse is driven with the heart, Walt, the mind.

Somehow I think Jesse will get his comeupits last show.  I sure hope so.

Jules NYC wrote:
The differences between Walt and Jesse are vast, but the main difference I see is that Walt is already dead and Jesse is not.

Lol. Reminds me of Jesse's plan back at Tuco's hideout.

Jules NYC wrote:
Some people live with two selves, their true self and their alter-ego.  Which one comes to life when hard-pressed?

Jesse has remained consistent with who he is from the beginning.  Walt just exploited him. The fact Jesse was allowed to be exploited is part of his character/weakness.  He has evolved.

Jesse's weakness is when he gets angry he wants revenge at all costs and leaves himself vulnerable.

Cool Hand Mike wrote:

Jules NYC wrote:
The differences between Walt and Jesse are vast, but the main difference I see is that Walt is already dead and Jesse is not.

Lol. Reminds me of Jesse's plan back at Tuco's hideout.


Jesse's weakness is when he gets angry he wants revenge at all costs and leaves himself vulnerable.

Jesse's weakness is that he reacts impulsively and is driven by emotion.  Actually being driven by emotion is one of his charms, but too malleable, not so good.

Jules NYC wrote:
Walt treated Jesse like a pseudo Dad, an abusive one.  Jesse looked to him like a dog to his master. Then Jesse wised up, literally became more capable in everything.  Jesse had streets smarts where Walt didn't but Jesse is driven with the heart, Walt, the mind.

Somehow I think Jesse will get his comeupits last show.  I sure hope so.

Walt treated him like a son, and that he knew what was best for him.
I liked Jesse the best in Season 4 through 5a, where he was acting with his mind and doing very well.

Jesse having street smarts ? Way more examples to the contrary.

Jules NYC wrote:
Jesse's weakness is that he reacts impulsively and is driven by emotion.  Actually being driven by emotion is one of his charms, but too malleable, not so good.

Driven by emotion isn't good when your business might involve weapons and killing.

Garry k wrote:
I am not a TV watcher any more but from time to time i have either started to watch popular series either streaming on the net or have bought whole seasons on DVD

The only series that really has worked out for me so far has been " The Wire "

Tried watching Game of Thrones ( got through the first season ) Person of Interest ( 5 episodes ) and The Sons of Anarchy ( about half an episode )

I am going to give Breaking Bad and Dexter a spin this winter

Nohing kills my interest more in tv show when unbelievable shit occurs ( unless it is a fantasy show of course )

I didn't watch TV and scarcely any movies, for about ten years, because I was so disgusted by television's offerings. Breaking Bad actually got me back into television, and I discovered a lot of things I liked. And I was HARDCORE about not owning or watching TV. I'm like hipster central when it comes to television and movies. I still won't watch much in the way of movies unless it's subtitled, and obscure as hell. Nothing disgusts me more in movies than in American cinema when they bring in the Magical Teams of Scientists, Military and/or Bad Ass Manly Men. I watched World War Z the other day with my boyfriend, who likes fucking awful shit, and I was pretty much like... Yeah, this sucks ass and it's not even remotely scary. 28 Days Later scared the shit out of me.

Sons of Anarchy is over the top. The first season was asinine, and not a reflection of what the show evolves into. The second season was decent, and it becomes incredibly complex, with a million storylines as the seasons progress. The first season was just fucking awful. For some reason, I stuck with it, and enjoyed the show from season two on. Mad Men is also great, as is Downton Abbey, if you like intensely cerebral shows.

Laura UnBound wrote:
But it all comes back to none of that even needing to happen if it werent for walt being a huge dickbag.

Remember, Jesse was cooking before Walt ever came around...

joeyk wrote:

Remember, Jesse was cooking before Walt ever came around...

Yeah, but he was small time and didn't think/want/care about shooting anyone back then.

Selling hardcore drugs is killing someone indirectly I have to say.

Cool Hand Mike wrote:
Walt treated him like a son, and that he knew what was best for him.
I liked Jesse the best in Season 4 through 5a, where he was acting with his mind and doing very well.

Jesse having street smarts ? Way more examples to the contrary.


Driven by emotion isn't good when your business might involve weapons and killing.

No shit on the second:)

Jesse had street smarts knowing that you couldn't just ask a Kingpin to do business without a pass.

Anyhoo, unless you're in the drug business, tell me what street-smarts you've got.

Oh, and I'll add the face for posterity.

joeyk wrote:
Remember, Jesse was cooking before Walt ever came around...

Yeah, but he wasnt murdering or being an accomplice to murdering drug lords, chemists, prisoners, children, blowing up old folks homes, etc. He was on his way to being busted for a small time meth operation and just doing a few years in jail, getting out on parole, getting busted again, and probably ODing. Every wrong in his life was his own doing. Nobody was using fear to manipulate him into any of his shitty choices.



Walt used him. Hes an emotionally and mentally abusive father. If it werent for the fact that he occasionally feels bad when he fucks up his families lives hed be a perfect sociopath, he stopped caring about jesse and how his actions would impact jesses life a long time ago. Jesse was consistently willing to back down when confronted with a problem that involved a seemingly more powerful person. Walt saw "back down or kill the guy" and he chose to kill every time, something that never sat well with jesse. Walt showed himself to be brutal selfish and fucking terrifying when determined. Hes made it very apparent that jesse could not just say no and walk away without severe consequence.

Laura UnBound wrote:

Yeah, but he wasnt murdering or being an accomplice to murdering drug lords, chemists, prisoners, children, blowing up old folks homes, etc. He was on his way to being busted for a small time meth operation and just doing a few years in jail, getting out on parole, getting busted again, and probably ODing. Every wrong in his life was his own doing. Nobody was using fear to manipulate him into any of his shitty choices.



Walt used him. Hes an emotionally and mentally abusive father. If it werent for the fact that he occasionally feels bad when he fucks up his families lives hed be a perfect sociopath, he stopped caring about jesse and how his actions would impact jesses life a long time ago. Jesse was consistently willing to back down when confronted with a problem that involved a seemingly more powerful person. Walt saw "back down or kill the guy" and he chose to kill every time, something that never sat well with jesse. Walt showed himself to be brutal selfish and fucking terrifying when determined. Hes made it very apparent that jesse could not just say no and walk away without severe consequence.

Jesse killed the nerd.

Damon Banner wrote:

Jesse killed the nerd.

I know. Walt put him up to it.

Damon Banner wrote:
Jesse killed the nerd.

Must post again.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wugY6HNLOCo

No, not so much
Um, yeah

We have different rhythms

ha ha

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7RVwaHkkPyw

It's like oh shit, I require someone much cooler.

Sup

Damon Banner wrote:
Jesse killed the nerd.

Laura UnBound wrote:
I know. Walt put him up to it.

Yup.

I think, in hindsight, the only reason Walt ever really protected or saved Jessie, after that pivotal scene where Jane dies, was because he foresaw Jessie's death as potentially affecting his own bottom line. It was never about Jessie, after the operation started getting bigger, and making more money. Even the seemingly kind gesture of getting Jessie out of the dope house, and putting him in rehab, it was really all about Walt and Walt's money - or at least that's what it boiled down to, after everything was said and done.

Koryn Locke wrote:

Yup.

I think, in hindsight, the only reason Walt ever really protected or saved Jessie, after that pivotal scene where Jane dies, was because he foresaw Jessie's death as potentially affecting his own bottom line. It was never about Jessie, after the operation started getting bigger, and making more money. Even the seemingly kind gesture of getting Jessie out of the dope house, and putting him in rehab, it was really all about Walt and Walt's money - or at least that's what it boiled down to, after everything was said and done.

basically. Walt got him rehabbed...but still wanted to keep jesse around to cook. Hes a selfish user.  After hank finding out is the ONLY time Walt has ever offered to let Jesse go. Any time before that he either physically needed jesse around, or wanted to keep him around so he could monitor him and make sure he didnt go batshit  and get caught and lead back to walt (like he did throwing his money around and crashing his car)

Jules NYC wrote:
Selling hardcore drugs is killing someone indirectly I have to say.

What do you say about the Tobacco Industry ?? Or Liquor Industry

eos3_300 wrote:
What do you say about the Tobacco Industry ?? Or Liquor Industry

Put it this way:

Not everyone dies of lung cancer that smokes. Considering all the shit that is in cigarettes, better not to smoke at all. Common sense. Yes, it's deadly. Second-hand smoke anyone? If you're going to smoke, do ecigs.

Liquor industry? Small amounts, beneficial. Can't control one's consumption.

Hard core drugs are a faster way to self-destruction. I don't know of any study or person that has benefitted from crank, smack, goofballs, speed/meth, acid, angel dust, painkillers or any 'love drug': Ecstasy, Mollys, etc.

People that use hardcore drugs itch, pick their face, fuck their spinal cord, deplete their nutrients, rob their heart and head of healthy emotional/physical connection. I can keep going here.

People that smoke, abuse alcohol and the like have emotional issues and drugs fill the vacant hole which is lacking.

Laura UnBound wrote:
Walt showed himself to be brutal selfish and fucking terrifying when determined. Hes made it very apparent that jesse could not just say no and walk away without severe consequence.

A few episodes ago Walt showed up at Jessie's door, went in and talked to him a bit and as he was leaving told him he left something for him. It was 2 massive bags of cash.

That was Jessie's out.

Walt had zero contact with him until Jessie went on a throwing cash out the window drive, and got caught.

Jules NYC wrote:
Put it this way:

Not everyone dies of lung cancer that smokes. Considering all the shit that is in cigarettes, better not to smoke at all. Common sense. Yes, it's deadly. Second-hand smoke anyone? If you're going to smoke, do ecigs.

Liquor industry? Small amounts, beneficial. Can't control one's consumption.

Hard core drugs are a faster way to self-destruction. I don't know of any study or person that has benefitted from crank, smack, goofballs, speed/meth, acid, angel dust, painkillers or any 'love drug': Ecstasy, Mollys, etc.

People that use hardcore drugs itch, pick their face, fuck their spinal cord, deplete their nutrients, rob their heart and head of healthy emotional/physical connection. I can keep going here.

People that smoke, abuse alcohol and the like have emotional issues and drugs fill the vacant hole which is lacking.

I do think MDMA has emotional and self-actualizing uses, when it's used as a sacred and ritual experience. Same with psychedelics. Unfortunately, people don't generally use them this way. I was lucky to spend my late teens and early 20s around a lot of worldly people who understood the value of use of CERTAIN drugs for certain uses, and only in safe, protected environments and with goals in mind. Drugs like molly and psychedelics CAN serve a purpose, but not a recreational one. Among people I knew a decade ago, use of molly was practically holy. You did not just do it for fun. You did it if you had a serious emotional quandary and were seeking increased openness.
I've been around a lot of heroine abuse since I moved to Massachusetts in 2008, and I will say that those people are totally different from the "psychonauts" I grew up around when I lived down south.

It's a totally different culture, and the drugs are 100% destructive in every way. After a point, the users I've known didn't even really enjoy the drug much anymore, they just couldn't deal with the sickness that came from not using, and the lowered general pain tolerance they'd developed from always softening their perception of reality. This just does not hold true with use of molly and psychedelics, by people in controlled environments, with the intention of spiritual expansion or increased self awareness, where the goal is often to increase the perception of pain/emotional response/ ir even intellectual discourse

/threadjack

Laura UnBound wrote:
I know. Walt put him up to it.

see, you are making excuses for him.   

That's fine and all, I simply don't feel the same amount of sympathy for him that you do.  Jesse isn't an idiot.  He had outs.  He is a large part of the evil that is on the show.

I don't feel bad for him at all, really.  Not even because I consider him a snitch.  Maybe he didn't murder as many people as Walt, directly.... but as mentioned above, he taught Walt how to cook meth.  He was doing it when Walt tried to retire.  He killed the nerd (he didn't have to).  He probably would have killed the gangbangers, had Walt not run them over. 

He could have gotten out.  He made choices....

Walt made choices too.  Most people (including me) perceive them to be evil choices.  The two are on equal footing with me...

Koryn Locke wrote:

I do think MDMA has emotional and self-actualizing uses, when it's used as a sacred and ritual experience. Same with psychedelics. Unfortunately, people don't generally use them this way. I was lucky to spend my late teens and early 20s around a lot of worldly people who understood the value of use of CERTAIN drugs for certain uses, and only in safe, protected environments and with goals in mind. Drugs like molly and psychedelics CAN serve a purpose, but not a recreational one. Among people I knew a decade ago, use of molly was practically holy. You did not just do it for fun. You did it if you had a serious emotional quandary and were seeking increased openness.
I've been around a lot of heroine abuse since I moved to Massachusetts in 2008, and I will say that those people are totally different from the "psychonauts" I grew up around when I lived down south.

It's a totally different culture, and the drugs are 100% destructive in every way. After a point, the users I've known didn't even really enjoy the drug much anymore, they just couldn't deal with the sickness that came from not using, and the lowered general pain tolerance they'd developed from always softening their perception of reality. This just does not hold true with use of molly and psychedelics, by people in controlled environments, with the intention of spiritual expansion or increased self awareness, where the goal is often to increase the perception of pain/emotional response/ ir even intellectual discourse

/threadjack

Oh do I know.

Never touched any of it myself. 
Hey, even The Beatles (and other 27 Heaven musicians) used the stuff.

Despite the culture/etc., I personally find all of that completely irresponsible and reckless. Drug use is something that really turns me off, unless it's pot and I've seen my fair share of non-medicinal stoners that need their fix to get leveled to 'normal'.  Self-medicating really.

Plus, I have personally seen the destruction it causes. 
I just want no part in it.

I don't feel any less creative/enlightened/aware/less spiritual because I do not partake in it.  Heroin is just Jesus Christ, WHY?

There is no cool factor/glamour/knowledge attached to these drugs.  I feel so strongly about it, esp. when I listened to an old friend cry about killing someone because he turned him on to crack.  Guy just hung himself.  All of this is really dark stuff and I want no part of it.

When I lived in San Diego, I was good friends with a drug dealer.  Kind of nice to have very scary friends when you're single, far from home-base.  He ended up arrested one day; I lived on the top floor at the beach and walking up the stairs I had to walk by police tape.  You know, the cheesy shit they put on models for that 'edgy' look!

NothingIsRealButTheGirl wrote:


Read at own risk

http://previously.tv/breaking-bad/break … explained/

(although they don't know any more than anyone else)

Would certainly even things out a bit.
Hey sis, oh and fuck you too.

Kevin Fair wrote:

A few episodes ago Walt showed up at Jessie's door, went in and talked to him a bit and as he was leaving told him he left something for him. It was 2 massive bags of cash.

That was Jessie's out.

Walt had zero contact with him until Jessie went on a throwing cash out the window drive, and got caught.

I covered that in my last post. Walt only finally did that because he was afraid of jesse getting caught and talking to hank. It wasnt about him doing anything nice for jesse or caring about what kind of fucked up headspace he left him in, it was about getting rid of jesse so that he couldnt fuck anything up. It was one step short of killing him, which he finally resorted to anyway.

Damon Banner wrote:
I hate Marie.

we agree on this at least. Shes incredibly annoying and self-centred.

Damon Banner wrote:
I hate Marie.

She looked really pretty last episode and on the Conan Breaking Bad special.

Laura UnBound wrote:

we agree on this at least. Shes incredibly annoying and self-centred.

Fine.  I love her!

Laura UnBound wrote:
basically. Walt got him rehabbed...but still wanted to keep jesse around to cook. Hes a selfish user.  After hank finding out is the ONLY time Walt has ever offered to let Jesse go. Any time before that he either physically needed jesse around, or wanted to keep him around so he could monitor him and make sure he didnt go batshit  and get caught and lead back to walt (like he did throwing his money around and crashing his car)

Laura UnBound wrote:
I covered that in my last post. Walt only finally did that because he was afraid of jesse getting caught and talking to hank. It wasnt about him doing anything nice for jesse or caring about what kind of fucked up headspace he left him in, it was about getting rid of jesse so that he couldnt fuck anything up. It was one step short of killing him, which he finally resorted to anyway.

Watch episode 8 again.

About 3/4 through the episode Walt visits Jessie gives him the cash and turns him loose.

At the end of that episode after Walt has already cut Jessie loose is when Hank finds the book while taking a shit.