Samantha Emme wrote:
And here's a picture of my tattoo:

That is beautiful I love the colors =]

NicoleNudes wrote:
Wow people.

I don't post in any Lisa threads because I normally disagree with what she's saying, so I just decide not to say anything at all then starting an argument with her.

But everyone has jumped on her from the very second she started this thread. I think its stupid that you're jumping all over her. None of you are any better than she is when she starts to preach to people and jump all over them.

Lisa, to answer your question, I have two tattoos.

The first one is on my hip
http://nicolenudes.tumblr.com/image/33441651074 18+

I got it because I was raped when I was 11 and I spent a couple years in foster care with my sister. It symbolizes to me that I got through everything ok. And if I can get through that and be ok then I can get through anything. It's a reminder to me to stay strong when life starts to get hard.

My second one is on the back of my neck
http://nicolenudes.tumblr.com/image/27571754143 18+

Myself and my best friend have the same design. We got it together when we were on vacation. She's been my best friend since grade 9 and went through all the foster care bullshit with me. I love her like my sister.

The first one is beautiful I am so sorry you had to go through that. But it is encouraging to see you make it out strong on the other side. I think it is amazing when you see others channel something so traumatic and negative into something positive.

Lisa Andresen wrote:

That is beautiful I love the colors =]

Thank you! I got real lucky with the artist. He was literally drawing the waves from scratch on my back with no forethought. He was extremely talented. And it wasn't even painful

I hope you find a good tattoo artist for yours.

Lisa Andresen wrote:

The first one is beautiful I am so sorry you had to go through that. But it is encouraging to see you make it out strong on the other side. I think it is amazing when you see others channel something so traumatic and negative into something positive.

Thanks.
For myself, it's easier for me to try and channel it into something positive and have that motivate me rather and dwelling on the negative. It happened to my younger sister as well and she didn't take it as well as I did. She cut and tried multiple times to kill herself while we were in foster care though. Part of the reason why I decided to try and stay positive was trying to be strong for her.

NicoleNudes wrote:
Wow people.

I don't post in any Lisa threads because I normally disagree with what she's saying, so I just decide not to say anything at all then starting an argument with her.

But everyone has jumped on her from the very second she started this thread. I think its stupid that you're jumping all over her. None of you are any better than she is when she starts to preach to people and jump all over them.

+1 ... I really have nothing more to say. I just find this ridiculous. So ridiculous.

Mnemosyne Photography wrote:
It's my understanding that she barely made it out of boot, if at all. You can call me patronizing or undermining all you want. The fact that I was just honest about my understanding of the story doesn't prove either of those. I asked a direct question. I don't really know why YOU needed to jump to her defense, as my initial question had zero fucks to do with you.

Patronizing would have been to say all that I asked, instead of asking it. But maybe you should let her fight her own battles, and answer for herself.

But the best I could get so far was an offer of a PM, or a link to a different thread, which isn't an answer at all.

As it is, this was just another attempt at attention. If she honestly felt she served her time, she would have the tattoo already, rather then begging masses for attention.

THAT, was undermining.

Ok since I can't avoid it let me clear some things up.

I joined in March of 2012 I entered boot on June 18th 2012 I made it to my 6th week of training I had 2 weeks left to graduation. My legs started burning so bad I could not run on top of that they were swelling something horrible and I could hardly walk. I had no choice but to go to medical I could not keep up in my runs. After many x-rays and a bone scan they found I had 4 stress fractures in my legs 2 in each. They found through tests that it was caused by a calcium and vitamin D deficiency I didn't know I had. After being separated from my division breaking my heart. I had worked side by side with these people for months and now I wouldn't be able to graduate with them was really hard to swallow. I was moved into a recovery unit were I received physical therapy for my legs with the hope of getting better in 8-12 weeks and going back into a division to finish boot. But after weeks of therapy the swelling was not going down in my legs they did blood work and some other tests, and through that found out that I have a lymphatic disorder that causes edema in the lower parts of my legs. I had no idea I had this before going in, but the intense environment I was in spiked an already existing issue. This discovery disqualified me from service and I was sent home on Aug 24th 2012.  My dream and everything I had worked towards for months was gone I was crushed. Since being home I have been recovering from my stress fractures they are almost completely healed now. Now I just have some discomfort if I stand for really long periods of time.

I may not have gotten the chance but I wanted to serve my country. I worked hard and it was one of the most challenging things I have ever done but I am better for it. I still talk to many of the girls from my division and they all say it was unfair I deserved to graduate with them. I wish things could be different sometimes, but other times I don't everything happens for a reason and I am right were I am suppose to be.

Samantha Emme wrote:

Thank you! I got real lucky with the artist. He was literally drawing the waves from scratch on my back with no forethought. He was extremely talented. And it wasn't even painful

I hope you find a good tattoo artist for yours.

I do his name is Tim Beck of Freedom Ink Tattoo Co. in Peoria. He is an award winning tattoo artist he did both of my husbands he is amazing. And he is a Christian hahah ironic.

Jerry Nemeth wrote:
I didn't care for your post.

I don't really care.



And Sian, you're welcome

Mnemosyne Photography wrote:
It's my understanding that she barely made it out of boot, if at all. You can call me patronizing or undermining all you want. The fact that I was just honest about my understanding of the story doesn't prove either of those. I asked a direct question. I don't really know why YOU needed to jump to her defense, as my initial question had zero fucks to do with you.

Patronizing would have been to say all that I asked, instead of asking it. But maybe you should let her fight her own battles, and answer for herself.

But the best I could get so far was an offer of a PM, or a link to a different thread, which isn't an answer at all.

As it is, this was just another attempt at attention. If she honestly felt she served her time, she would have the tattoo already, rather then begging masses for attention.

THAT, was undermining.

You could have searched for the thread where she discussed this last year!

You were rude!

Mischa Marie wrote:

Not to stray off topic, but this is actually useful information because most people quote Leviticus when speaking of the "sins" of gay marriage. I'm not super knowledgeable on the bible but I always thought Leviticus was no longer followed.

Thank you for clearing that up for me.

There are three kinds of laws in the OT/Leviticus.  Theocratical(civil), ceremonial, and moral.

The ceremonial and the theocratical no longer apply.

The moral never goes away.

SKPhoto wrote:

There are three kinds of laws in the OT/Leviticus.  Theocratical(civil), ceremonial, and moral.

The ceremonial and the theocratical no longer apply.

The moral never goes away.

Exactly the entire OT should not be thrown out it still has very import scripture. But the laws on food, grooming, animal sacrifice ect. are no longer a part of the covenant we have with God. That is what I have been trying to explain.

Jerry Nemeth wrote:
You could have searched for the thread where she discussed this last year!

You were rude!

Thank you for standing up for me, but he isn't worth the time. He will continue to think his shit doesn't stink and will look ignorant doing so.

Visual Serotonin wrote:
Why not temporary tatoos? They look better than a scarification process that distorts over 10-15 years.


Also this:

http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/business/20 … ob-market/

It costs 10 X as much to remove a tatoo and is way more painful than putting it in.

As an employer I would also tend to choose someone with no tatoos over someone with tats.

99% of inmates and 100% of gang members have them... so as much as I love the aestethics of it, there is a line one draws for someone working in a job for example.

And the image projected by a company or business... unless it's an ink shop or some alternative catering store.

The ink they use today is much better quality than it use to be plus mine won't be in color. The tattoo I am getting is small and it will be on my back so it is easy to cover for jobs. I have already made up my mind but thanks for the concern.

Samantha Emme wrote:

Thank you for standing up for me, but he isn't worth the time. He will continue to think his shit doesn't stink and will look ignorant doing so.

Dafuq? I don't even know you and have never even interacted with you and you're STILL talking?

Seriously, if I'm not worth the time, why are you STILL talking about me

Talk about tattoos and Jebus already. Christ!

Mnemosyne Photography wrote:

Dafuq? I don't even know you and have never even interacted with you and you're STILL talking?

Seriously, if I'm not worth the time, why are you STILL talking about me

Talk about tattoos and Jebus already. Christ!

Love that you don't deny you're ignorant. Regardless you're still acting disrespectful. But carry on.

Visual Serotonin wrote:
Why not temporary tatoos? They look better than a scarification process that distorts over 10-15 years.

You do hurt your skin quite a bit injecting a foreign substance into the lower derm and basically a self inflicted wound, prone to infection and other ills.

This what an old tatoo looks like:



Also this:

http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/business/20 … ob-market/

It costs 10 X as much to remove a tatoo and is way more painful than putting it in.

As an employer I would also tend to choose someone with no tatoos over someone with tats.

99% of inmates and 100% of gang members have them... so as much as I love the aesthetics of it, there is a line one draws for someone working in a job for example.

And the image projected by a company or business... unless it's an ink shop or some alternative catering store.

"The trend I’ve noticed the most is usually college students who have finished their education, and it’s a mistake they made a few years ago, and they’re looking for a job,” Mundt told ABC News.  “And, people who have lost their jobs and are trying to get back into the workforce and gain an edge.”

The ink has changed quite a bit over the last decade. This is supposed to change how tattoos age. How you take care of them also has a lot to do with how the age. Someone who gets a considerable amount of sun or gets quite a few sunburns on their tattoo won't have a tattoo that looks as good as one with minimal sun exposure.

All of my tattoos are hideable. My ankle is usually the first one people notice. I've worked in many different situations and at some point in time my tattoos have been partially visible. Never hindered my work or getting work. The only people I know that have had issues getting jobs because of their ink are those with extreme tattoos. Necks, face, hands, etc. A general acceptance is seeming to arise though. More mainstream employers are becoming more accepting of tattoos.

Lisa Andresen wrote:
No it's called when Christ died on the cross a new covenant was entered in with God and his people. We no longer offer up animal blood sacrifices because that is old testament and is the old covenant Christ's blood on the cross made that no longer needed.

Same with this God was talking to the Isrealites telling them to stop acting pagan. A tattoo back then is not what a tattoo is today.

Quoting.

If you made this statement in support of calling the Qur'an obsolete, do you think such a statement would be acceptable? As one of those Israelites (and please do me the courtesy of spelling it correctly), I resent the characterization. And I phrase that as diplomatically as I possibly can.

I'm serious, I'd like a mod to view this as no different than a racist statement. It is directly attacking my beliefs and has no place on a modeling and photography web site.

Samantha Emme wrote:
Love that you don't deny you're ignorant. Regardless you're still acting disrespectful. But carry on.

I don't have to, it doesn't apply. It's simply your opinion. And serves no basis for actually proving or disproving anything. I also don't feel like using random adjectives.

And I can be disrespectful to you, because you weren't the person I was questioning, and yet you interjected yourself into it as if it was about you.

I wish I had disciples to defend me like that.

You took my comments personal based on YOUR personal experiences. Don't make this out like you're standing up for someone else and fighting for them. Battle buddy or not. If you're allowed to defend her based on your experiences, I'm allowed to disagree based on mine.

Sophistocles wrote:
Quoting.

If you made this statement in support of calling the Qur'an obsolete, do you think such a statement would be acceptable? As one of those Israelite (and please do me the courtesy of spelling it correctly), I resent the characterization. And I phrase that as diplomatically as I possibly can.

I'm serious, I'd like a mod to view this as no different than a racist statement. It is directly attacking my beliefs and has no place on a modeling and photography web site.

Are you freaking kidding me! Have you read some of the stuff you have said to me in the past?

And I just said this in response to SK
"Exactly the entire OT should not be thrown out it still has very import scripture. But the laws on food, grooming, animal sacrifice ect. are no longer a part of the covenant we have with God. That is what I have been trying to explain."

I do not believe that the entire OT is obsolete just some of Levitican law. I have never seen you get this upset at those who say the whole Bible is bullcrap why the sudden emotion?
I get that you are Jewish but when was the last time you burnt ash into your skin to worship the dead? Because that is what God was talking about in that scripture it has nothing to do with you and I wasn't attacking Jews at all.

We have different faiths and have different views on the OT and NT as a result nothing I said was offensive I was simply stating my beliefs about scripture.

Visual Serotonin wrote:
Why not temporary tatoos? They look better than a scarification process that distorts over 10-15 years.

You do hurt your skin quite a bit injecting a foreign substance into the lower derm and basically a self inflicted wound, prone to infection and other ills.

This what an old tatoo looks like:



Also this:

http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/business/20 … ob-market/

It costs 10 X as much to remove a tatoo and is way more painful than putting it in.

As an employer I would also tend to choose someone with no tatoos over someone with tats.

99% of inmates and 100% of gang members have them... so as much as I love the aesthetics of it, there is a line one draws for someone working in a job for example.

And the image projected by a company or business... unless it's an ink shop or some alternative catering store.

"The trend I’ve noticed the most is usually college students who have finished their education, and it’s a mistake they made a few years ago, and they’re looking for a job,” Mundt told ABC News.  “And, people who have lost their jobs and are trying to get back into the workforce and gain an edge.”

It's none of your concern. Don't worry about it.

Mnemosyne Photography wrote:
I don't have to, it doesn't apply. It's simply your opinion. And serves no basis for actually proving or disproving anything. I also don't feel like using random adjectives.

And I can be disrespectful to you, because you weren't the person I was questioning, and yet you interjected yourself into it as if it was about you.

I wish I had disciples to defend me like that.

It's pretty correct. And you feel you can be disrespectful to anyone just because. That's all fine and dandy, but expect to look ignorant doing so. And it WAS about me, as it was about every soldier and ever person injured in training to be a soldier. You didn't have the kahonas to do what she did. Cause if you did, then you'd have other people defending your ass too. But you don't. Plus, you don't because in this case, you're wrong and shitting on people when you have absolutely no idea about anything on the subject matter. So continue to act like the silt of the gene pool, and carry the fuck on.

Lisa Andresen wrote:
We have different faiths and have different views on the OT and NT as a result nothing I said was offensive I was simply stating my beliefs about scripture.

I'm sorry, because you think it's not offensive does not make it non-offensive.

Most white supremacists don't feel that their beliefs about race are offensive. They find them as self-evident as many of us find them offensive.

Your statements are, indeed, offensive. The fact that you don't see that makes them even more offensive.

Such statements have no place on this web site. I should ask that you cease.

As far as specifics go, you said, "Exactly the entire OT should not be thrown out it still has very import scripture. But the laws on food, grooming, animal sacrifice ect. are no longer a part of the covenant we have with God. That is what I have been trying to explain."

I'm sorry, but those laws are, indeed, part. My faith practices them. For you to unilaterally claim that they're obsolete is a direct attack on my faith.

You get seriously upset when people attack your faith. You constantly cry the martyr when people do that.

But it's okay for you to do it to my faith?

Sorry. No. It's not.

Sophistocles wrote:
I'm sorry, because you think it's not offensive does not make it non-offensive.

Most white supremacists don't feel that their beliefs about race are offensive. They find them as self-evident as many of us find them offensive.

Your statements are, indeed, offensive. The fact that you don't see that makes them even more offensive.

Such statements have no place on this web site. I should ask that you cease.

Nothing was about race I have no issue with Jews you need to calm the heck down!

So because I stated that God was talking to that race in that scripture I was offensive! Wow can't win for loosing around here!

Samantha Emme wrote:
It's pretty correct. And you feel you can be disrespectful to anyone you feel. That's all fine and dandy, but expect to look ignorant doing so. And it WAS about me, as it was about every soldier and ever person injured in training to be a soldier. You didn't have the kahonas to do what she did. Cause if you did, then you'd have other people defending your ass too. But you don't. Plus, you don't because in this case, you're wrong and shitting on people when you have absolutely no idea about anything on the subject matter. So continue to act like the silt of the gene pool, and carry the fuck on.

At least you're being respectful.

I don't feel I can be disrespectful to anyone I choose. I just didn't with you because you weren't. Kind of funny how that works.

You chose not to take the high road, so why should I? And your'e STILL not taking it, even though I have not made any personal attacks or accusations. You say I'm silt? HA.

But don't forget, I'm not worth the time, since I'm just dead end genetic waste, right?

And the Cajones card. Of course. I'm weak because I didn't do what you did? Charming.

Lisa Andresen wrote:
Nothing was about race I have no issue with Jews you need to calm the heck down!

You called my race Pagan.

Please. Explain to me what you really meant. I'm listening.

(I expect you'll claim that you weren't calling my race Pagan, you're just echoing what God said. I'm sure you realize why you don't get to do that any more than White Pride gets to quote scripture that claims blacks are inferior).

NicoleNudes wrote:
Wow people.. (snip) .... everyone has jumped on her from the very second she started this thread. I think its stupid that you're jumping all over her. None of you are any better than she is when she starts to preach to people and jump all over them.

Gosh, how terrible that she might experience what that feels like. 

I can't speak for anyone else, but I was not trying to jump all over her.

I simply question her choice in tattoo and bible reference, as it seems to represent and symbolize being unmovable and inflexible.

I don't get the impression that she needs to be reminded of her faith (firmly anchored/grounded), rather that it might be helpful for her to be reminded that there are many people who do not share her beliefs, and just as she does not want to be judged by theirs, she should not be so hasty to judge others and to attack others who are under no obligation to live according to her beliefs.

Personally, I see it as appropriate that she would experience the same thing that she subjects others to, even if it is unlikely that she'll become more aware of how she acts towards others, and make an effort to treat people how she'd like to be treated, and not judge others. 

Back to you though, I never knew the meaning of your tattoos, but with your sharing their symbolism and inspiration, I will always look at them with even more respect.

Sophistocles wrote:
I'm sorry, because you think it's not offensive does not make it non-offensive.

Most white supremacists don't feel that their beliefs about race are offensive. They find them as self-evident as many of us find them offensive.

Your statements are, indeed, offensive. The fact that you don't see that makes them even more offensive.

Such statements have no place on this web site. I should ask that you cease.

As far as specifics go, you said, "Exactly the entire OT should not be thrown out it still has very import scripture. But the laws on food, grooming, animal sacrifice ect. are no longer a part of the covenant we have with God. That is what I have been trying to explain."

I'm sorry, but those laws are, indeed, part. My faith practices them. For you to unilaterally claim that they're obsolete is a direct attack on my faith.

You get seriously upset when people attack your faith. You constantly cry the martyr when people do that.

But it's okay for you to do it to my faith?

Sorry. No. It's not.

Well I am sorry that is offensive to you but it is what I as a reformed Southern Baptist believe to be truth. I could say that it is offensive that Jews don't believe Jesus is the messiah but that is ridiculous it doesn't offend me it is just their faith and their religion.


You are literally getting mad at me because I am not Jewish and don't have the same beliefs in scripture as you!

Lisa Andresen wrote:
Well I am sorry that is offensive to you but it is what I as a reformed Southern Baptist believe to be truth. I could say that it is offensive that Jews don't believe Jesus is the messiah but that is ridiculous it doesn't offend me it is just their faith and their religion.

You are literally getting mad at me because I am not Jewish and don't have the same beliefs in scripture as you!

Astounding. You truly don't see the intolerance and hypocrisy you express, do you?

I've sent in a CAM. I suspect nothing will be done, you seem to wear asbestos underwear around these parts.

Tropic Light wrote:
Leviticus 19:28

Ye shall not make any cuttings in your flesh for the dead, nor print any marks upon you: I am the Lord.

Good One

Sophistocles wrote:

You called my race Pagan.

Please. Explain to me what you really meant. I'm listening.

(I expect you'll claim that you weren't calling my race Pagan, you're just echoing what God said. I'm sure you realize why you don't get to do that any more than White Pride gets to quote scripture that claims blacks are inferior).

No I did not do you know how to read?

"You shall not make any cuts on your body for the dead or tattoo yourselves: I am the LORD."
(Leviticus 19:28 ESV)

In this scripture God is scolding them for marking their body in worship of the dead as a form of idolatry. This was a practice of pagans that they were mimicking God is telling them not to act this way. They were making a mistake and God was calling them out here this has nothing to do with Jewish people or their faith today at all. Or anything from me personally I was explaining what was being talked about in this particular piece of scripture.

Bible study notes:
Lev. 19:26–31 These are all practices of the Canaanites. Holiness requires Israel not to act like the pagans in any areas of life.

Mnemosyne Photography wrote:
Meh, regardless, my issue was with Lisa. It got answered. You chose to make it about you, and me. You win. I said I was done a while ago, and you dragged it on pretending to be the bigger man. You weren't. But I still fell for it.

I digress. I'm done. Carry on. Hope you feel better putting the civilian in his place.

You still don't get it. I wasn't "putting a civilian in his place". I was trying to get you to stop shitting on everything about lisa just because she is military and got injured in boot camp, because it's wrong. If you had showed me a little less attitude in the beginning and just explained yourself, I'd probably not be so hostile in return. I saw another one of my own getting attacked, and it's in my job description to back her up even if its verbal. Either way, I'm just going to accept we disagree.

Sophistocles wrote:

Astounding. You truly don't see the intolerance and hypocrisy you express, do you?

I've sent in a CAM. I suspect nothing will be done, you seem to wear asbestos underwear around these parts.

Not true I have been brigged before but nothing will be done because I did nothing but explain a piece of scripture from my beliefs and my faith. They just happen to be different than yours. I never said anything personal to you or to the Jewish faith.

Sophistocles wrote:
By the way, while you're calling my faith obsolete, I should note - the real irony here is that you don't seem to know your Bible. In 19:28 we find two prohibitions of an unnatural disfigurement of the body: Ye shall not make any cutting in your flesh for the dead, nor any print any marks upon you. The latter prohibition is based on the Hebrew 'qa aqa', or incision, which refers to tattooing, and has no reference to idolatrous usages, but was intended to inculcate upon the Israelietes a proper reverence for God's creation. The former prohibition is related to funerary usage. The latter is not.

See Merrill F. Unger, Unger's Bible Dictionary, 1974, for an excellent treatment on this. Unger notes that tattoos were forbidden without any reference to pagan, heathen, or idolatrous usages. In other words, the tattoo itself, regardless the reason, was forbidden.

But hey, if the Old Testament is obsolete, you can just dismiss it, as you've done.

And *THAT* is offensive.

I NEVER SAID YOUR FAITH WAS OBSOLETE!

AND GUESS WHAT PEOPLE SAY THAT ABOUT MY FAITH ALL THE TIME! GET OVER IT WELCOME TO MM AS A BELIEVER IT IS TOUGH AROUND HERE!

Sophistocles wrote:
By the way, while you're calling my faith obsolete, I should note - the real irony here is that you don't seem to know your Bible. In 19:28 we find two prohibitions of an unnatural disfigurement of the body: Ye shall not make any cutting in your flesh for the dead, nor any print any marks upon you. The latter prohibition is based on the Hebrew 'qa aqa', or incision, which refers to tattooing, and has no reference to idolatrous usages, but was intended to inculcate upon the Israelietes a proper reverence for God's creation. The former prohibition is related to funerary usage. The latter is not.

See Merrill F. Unger, Unger's Bible Dictionary, 1974, for an excellent treatment on this. Unger notes that tattoos were forbidden without any reference to pagan, heathen, or idolatrous usages. In other words, the tattoo itself, regardless the reason, was forbidden.

But hey, if the Old Testament is obsolete, you can just dismiss it, as you've done.

And *THAT* is offensive.

Can you just take it that in HER faith and HER religion the OT is no longer valid?

Because I've read most of this exchange and that is what I got from it. She's clearly talking about HER faith and what THEY believe. It's not obsolete to the world or as a whole. It's just not a part of her people's faith.

If you've already cam'd her and want this to end you would end it.

Lisa Andresen wrote:
You are literally getting mad at me because I am not Jewish and don't have the same beliefs in scripture as you!

I'm simply going to quote this. The last time I offered a modest criticism of the forum activity of Lisa Andresen, I was censored. Maybe, the moderators will remove this post too. Knock yourselves out.

If IB is SO desperate for traffic that tolerating Lisa is worth it, OK. If not, why in the hell???

Cait Chan wrote:
Can you just take it that in HER faith and HER religion the OT is no longer valid?

Because I've read most of this exchange and that is what I got from it. She's clearly talking about HER faith and what THEY believe. It's not obsolete to the world or as a whole. It's just not a part of her people's faith.

And if in HER faith and HER religion blacks were subhuman and she said so, would that be any more or less offensive?

This is not a Reductio ad Absurdum, it's the exact same thing. She has said that the text of my faith is no longer relevant in light of the text of HER faith having precedence.

How in the WORLD is that not intolerant speech, at best?