Legacys 7 wrote:

Shit. Zep would laugh at your ass. And way to go by avoiding the rest of my post that you'd replied to.

The rest of your post is not relevant to this thread, or maybe we should discuss Sony pancake lenses just to add to the mix?

T wrote:

I like Frank Ocean, Bruno Mar, I listen to all types of music from The Eagles, Hall & Oates, Jeffrey Osbourne to lil Wayne and Go-Go Music.

Perception is a motherfucker only to the insecure. Many would have a hard time believing that a Black woman listens to diverse range of music that you've listed. This is a large percentage of us people in this country. White, Black, Yellow etc. Including those that are in the closet about their music likes.

Like you, my music choice is very diverse. I like my rap-hip hops from the 90's. Ac/Dc first singer before he died. A lot of rock from the 70's and 60's. Jazz from the 70's, soul and r & b from the 70's and 90's. Classical music etc. etc. etc. To me, music isn't about color. It's about feeling. What moves me.

London Fog wrote:

The rest of your post is not relevant to this thread, or maybe we should discuss Sony pancake lenses just to add to the mix?

Irony. Neither is your "black" artist comment. Hence the point for bringing up your other irrelevant post. Yeap, that London Fog is really doing some crazy stuff to your feeble mind.

Legacys 7 wrote:

Got it. But Etta wasn't too happy with her and said some pretty nasty things about her. She didn't handled what she felt was rejection from the Obama family and focused her anger on her.

We all have artist that we feel are overrated. Well, a lot of us do. But (not referring to you.) some of the responses on here, you'd swear that she was Brittany Spears, making a come back on stage. I mean, damn. She proved that she can sing, and she gave in my opinion, an honest explanation. She felt that her voice wasn't up to it and basically didn't want to fuck it up, giving some of the already fucked attitudes on here, more fuel to feed the fire if she had screwed it up. Hell, we had a top notch violin musician in the first inauguration that faked his violin playing in front of an even larger audience. Where's the hate at for that front? I'd say that he looked more silly, pretending that he was playing.

I don't have time to fully answer but yes, Etta did not handle that scenario with any grace.

Legacys 7 wrote:
Perception is a motherfucker only to the insecure. Many would have a hard time believing that a Black woman listens to diverse range of music that you've listed. This is a large percentage of us people in this country. White, Black, Yellow etc. Including those that are in the closet about their music likes.

Like you, my music choice is very diverse. I like my rap-hip hops from the 90's. Ac/Dc first singer before he died. A lot of rock from the 70's and 60's. Jazz from the 70's, soul and r & b from the 70's and 90's. Classical music etc. etc. etc. To me, music isn't about color. It's about feeling. What moves me.

two of my brothers are into heavy metal. I grew up with so many different types of music in the house.
Mom: country, gospel, soft rock, R&B,
sister: Maze, Johnny Guitar Watson, LTD
bro: Jimmy Hendrix, EWF, George Clinton
Dad: Blues, BB KING, Clarence Carter,
brother: Jazz, Go-Go
heavy metal
The Clash on on and on

I still LOVE!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GqH21LEmfbQ

Legacys 7 wrote:

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Again. Post a link where she'd said that she actually singed the song live?

Obviously something as simple as context radically escapes your way of thinking. It's called "misrepresentation". She doesn't have to say it verbally when her actions do the job just fine.

Shot By Adam wrote:

Obviously something as simple as context radically escapes your way of thinking. It's called "misrepresentation". She doesn't have to say it verbally when her actions do the job just fine.

a very common practice in the business. I mean, you can get upset if you like but it's just not a big deal. The only way this story would be big deal is if Beyonce moved her lips to another artist singing.

Shot By Adam wrote:

She lied the instant she picked up that microphone and pretended to sing. When I watch that performance on TV and see her singing, I have to logically conclude that what I'm hearing is what she is singing, live. By her playing her pre-recorded studio performance on a CD while standing on that stage acting like she's really singing that music, it's one big fat ugly lie.

Unfortunately, it happens much, much more than u think. A lot of artists lip-sync to prerecorded tracks, right down to the pre-recorded ad libs

Shot By Adam wrote:
Obviously something as simple as context radically escapes your way of thinking. It's called "misrepresentation". She doesn't have to say it verbally when her actions do the job just fine.

Context didn't escape me at all. You just changed your position when I'd put you in the spotlight to back it up that she lied about singing it. Hence why I posted your quotes and "And" in bold. I'll also add this to what I'd pointed out to Jules. No one lost their damn mind when the violin player admitted to faking his playing at the first inauguration. This guy is a top notch violin player. If you're going to point out her lies, you need to be just as melodramatic about his too. To me that looked even more silly, pretending that you're playing an instrument in front of millions of viewers, while instrument syncing to a "cd". But, it wasn't silly enough to fuck up my world where I can't live anymore. That's how many of the naysayers are acting on here. Including yourself.

I'm more understanding due to the conditions that these artist have to deal with back in D.C.. And I'd also admire those that took the risk, risking what might had happened.

T wrote:

a very common practice in the business. I mean, you can get upset if you like but it's just not a big deal. The only way this story would be big deal is if Beyonce moved her lips to another artist singing.

True. Funny, London Fog likes that old 70's "Black" music. Wonder if he'd watched Soul Train where the majority of the singers did this every Saturday afternoon. Al Green, Marvin Gaye etc.

Legacys 7 wrote:
No one lost their damn mind when the violin player admitted to faking his playing at the first inauguration. This guy is a top notch violin player. If you're going to point out her lies, you need to be just as melodramatic about his too. To me that looked even more silly, pretending that you're playing an instrument in front of millions of viewers, while instrument syncing to a "cd".

Yup. Here is some context, straight from one of the participants.

SIEGEL: So what we saw, as we heard this very lovely recording of the John Williams piece, we saw an impeccable pantomime of the piece that the four of you were doing.

Mr. MA: Yeah. I think what you saw is what actually, routinely happens in film, and it's obviously standard for very large events where the unpredictability of whether - where you can't afford a mishap.

SIEGEL: Now, was there any discussion of whether there should be any tipping of the hand about what was going on here or any...

Mr. MA: I think - let me put it to you this way. If we had not done that, we would have had four and a half minutes of absolute disaster. Everything would have been out of tune. We would have had broken strings. Basically, you would have had a very poor, "American Idol "rendition of what, you know, what John Williams had created, which is a beautiful piece of music. And we really knew that our purpose there was to serve the moment just before the swearing-in of the president.

kickfight wrote:

Yup. Here is some context, straight from one of the participants.

SIEGEL: So what we saw, as we heard this very lovely recording of the John Williams piece, we saw an impeccable pantomime of the piece that the four of you were doing.

Mr. MA: Yeah. I think what you saw is what actually, routinely happens in film, and it's obviously standard for very large events where the unpredictability of whether - where you can't afford a mishap.

SIEGEL: Now, was there any discussion of whether there should be any tipping of the hand about what was going on here or any...

Mr. MA: I think - let me put it to you this way. If we had not done that, we would have had four and a half minutes of absolute disaster. Everything would have been out of tune. We would have had broken strings. Basically, you would have had a very poor, "American Idol "rendition of what, you know, what John Williams had created, which is a beautiful piece of music. And we really knew that our purpose there was to serve the moment just before the swearing-in of the president.

Thank you for posting the link.

Legacys 7 wrote:
Context didn't escape me at all. You just changed your position when I'd put you in the spotlight to back it up that she lied about singing it. Hence why I posted your quotes and "And" in bold.

Oh bullshit. All you did is try some smoke and mirror routine to try to justify your inability to understand what someone is saying. Nice try though.

I'll also add this to what I'd pointed out to Jules. No one lost their damn mind when the violin player admitted to faking his playing at the first inauguration. This guy is a top notch violin player. If you're going to point out her lies, you need to be just as melodramatic about his too.

No question about it. Yo Yo Ma is just as much as an asshat as Beyonce is for the exact same reason. But this isn't a thread about him, now is it? If you want to go start a Yo Yo Ma thread, please be my guest, and I'll be happy to post in there too. My opinion won't be much different about him in this performance as it it is about Beyonce though. Both of them deserve ridicule for this.

Docta Shock Photografix wrote:

Unfortunately, it happens much, much more than u think. A lot of artists lip-sync to prerecorded tracks, right down to the pre-recorded ad libs

It happens all the time. I get that. It doesn't make it right though.

Shot By Adam wrote:
Oh bullshit. All you did is try some smoke and mirror routine to try to justify your inability to understand what someone is saying. Nice try though.


No question about it. Yo Yo Ma is just as much as an asshat as Beyonce is for the exact same reason. But this isn't a thread about him, now is it? If you want to go start a Yo Yo Ma thread, please be my guest, and I'll be happy to post in there too. My opinion won't be much different about him in this performance as it it is about Beyonce though. Both of them deserve ridicule for this.

You tried the smoke and mirror game and failed on it. You failed on the spin too. If you want people to understand you, say what you mean and not mean what you say. The quote is right there for the audience to see. Including those at the inauguration.

No the ass hats are the ones crying. No need to start a Yo Yo Mama thread when we have drama people on here that you'd swear, Beyonce committed terrorism.

Andialu wrote:
More esteemed? I can't stand her music but I know that she is extremely popular and has been for many years.

Beyonce is NOT as popular as Justin Bieber or Lady Gaga.  So would you rather they sang the National Anthem?  Superbowl Sunday is still about football and not music.

If you can't stand her, then just leave the room when she is on!  It's a lot simpler than being a hater.  I'm looking forward to the game no matter.

-Ira wrote:
Mine.  Cause it's my opinion...and yes I am becoming a crotchety old man.

I just feel like for such a dignified affair they could have made a better choice than use a pop star.  Perhaps give the opportunity to a service member or someone who has selflessly contributed to the arts.  Someone who would have been confident they could have performed without a backup track.  "Lip syncing" on such an occasion seems sterile and fake to me.

Once again, that's my opinion.  Let the bashing continue :-)

You are of course entitled to you opinion, but you are in the minority on Beyonce.  No bashing is needed.  The fact is that President Obama could have had anyone, but HE choose Beyonce.  Take it up with him if you must but your whining is tiring here.

Nedah Oyin wrote:
this post shows me that you know pretty much zero about beyonce OR her career OR her music.. she's been a chart-topper for over a decade.. she's won many awards, including several grammy's, for her music.. she works harder than most women in the music business.. she also completely MURDERS live, as a quick youtube search would have showed you.. you only know the name and the face and passed judgement from there..



smh.. i guess..

While he is entitled to his opinion, and can enjoy the music he wants to ... I would not stretch this to say that he doesn't know who she is or what she has done.  He could possibly just have terrible taste in music?    

Before he gets his underwear twisted ... I'M KIDDING!!!   Not everyone is going to like the most popular music of today.  I would not waste a penny, or a bit of energy to see or hear Justin Bieber because his music does nothing for me.  I feel the same way about Taylor Swift.  She does nothing for me ... but Beyonce does.   I would make an effort to see Beyonce in concert although I don't own any of her music.  I'm more of a fan of Jennifer Hudson and Christina Aguilera if you want to know my favorites.

-Ira wrote:
http://www.newyorker.com/online/blogs/b … andal.html

“By lip-synching the national anthem, Beyoncé has cast a dark cloud over the President’s second term,” said Sen. Rand Paul (R-Kentucky).  “The only way President Obama can remove that cloud is by resigning from office at once.”

Um.  That's a bit extreme.

It's not extreme, it's effing crazy. Maybe because Rand Paul's underage son was arrest for being on a flight drunk at 10am on a Sunday morning. Rand should resign and hide in a bunker.

Legacys 7 wrote:

Got it. But Etta wasn't too happy with her and said some pretty nasty things about her. She didn't handled what she felt was rejection from the Obama family and focused her anger on her.

We all have artist that we feel are overrated. Well, a lot of us do. But (not referring to you.) some of the responses on here, you'd swear that she was Brittany Spears, making a come back on stage. I mean, damn. She proved that she can sing, and she gave in my opinion, an honest explanation. She felt that her voice wasn't up to it and basically didn't want to fuck it up, giving some of the already fucked attitudes on here, more fuel to feed the fire if she had screwed it up. Hell, we had a top notch violin musician in the first inauguration that faked his violin playing in front of an even larger audience. Where's the hate at for that front? I'd say that he looked more silly, pretending that he was playing.

With entertainment in general, you're damned if you do or damned if you don't.
Exactly

With voice, the temperature, how much you've slept the previous night/week, the foods you eat, allergies, humidity or lack of......................... etc. make a difference if you're 'up to par' to sing that day, esp. 'The National Anthem' at such a gig.

I'm one to say, hey do it live, but if these conditions make you feel you wouldn't be at your best, hummm

That's why singers cancel big shows when they KNOW they can't do it.

Beyonce is a strong enough singer to sound great not at her best.
Only a singer knows when they should put the kabosh on singing live.

If that is the worst of her problems (answering to the public), there are MANY singers wanting to have a publishing deal to have such issues:P

What if she told the press to F themselves before her PR team made her 'prove' she can sing the Anthem?  As if her body of work didn't reflect that already.

As for Etta... do you know why the pres didn't ask her to sing her own song?

Jules NYC wrote:

With entertainment in general, you're damned if you do or damned if you don't.
Exactly

With voice, the temperature, how much you've slept the previous night/week, the foods you eat, allergies, humidity or lack of......................... etc. make a difference if you're 'up to par' to sing that day, esp. 'The National Anthem' at such a gig.

I'm one to say, hey do it live, but if these conditions make you feel you wouldn't be at your best, hummm

That's why singers cancel big shows when they KNOW they can't do it.

Beyonce is a strong enough singer to sound great not at her best.
Only a singer knows when they should put the kabosh on singing live.

If that is the worst of her problems (answering to the public), there are MANY singers wanting to have a publishing deal to have such issues:P

What if she told the press to F themselves before her PR team made her 'prove' she can sing the Anthem?  As if her body of work didn't reflect that already.

As for Etta... do you know why the pres didn't ask her to sing her own song?

because she was probably.

Jules NYC wrote:

With entertainment in general, you're damned if you do or damned if you don't.
Exactly

With voice, the temperature, how much you've slept the previous night/week, the foods you eat, allergies, humidity or lack of......................... etc. make a difference if you're 'up to par' to sing that day, esp. 'The National Anthem' at such a gig.

I'm one to say, hey do it live, but if these conditions make you feel you wouldn't be at your best, hummm

That's why singers cancel big shows when they KNOW they can't do it.

Beyonce is a strong enough singer to sound great not at her best.
Only a singer knows when they should put the kabosh on singing live.

If that is the worst of her problems (answering to the public), there are MANY singers wanting to have a publishing deal to have such issues:P

What if she told the press to F themselves before her PR team made her 'prove' she can sing the Anthem?  As if her body of work didn't reflect that already.

As for Etta... do you know why the pres didn't ask her to sing her own song?

You contradicted yourself in bold. But you did get one part right. Only she knows if she should put the kabosh on singing live. I think that someone who's been in the business and have more experience, have a better understanding on what will and won't work under certain conditions. Especially considering that fact that she had already obligated herself after being asked, but you don't just back out at the last minute.

Regarding Etta. No I don't. BUT, her attack on Beyonce was wrong.

T wrote:

because she was probably.

I heard on some radio program she was really slipping away yelling obscenities and being overtly sexual in um, not a good way.

I think Dementia sadly at the end.

Legacys 7 wrote:
You contradicted yourself in bold. But you did get one part right. Only she knows if she should put the kabosh on singing live. I think that someone who's been in the business and have more experience, have a better understanding on what will and won't work under certain conditions. Especially considering that fact that she had already obligated herself after being asked, but you don't just back out at the last minute.

Regarding Etta. No I don't. BUT, her attack on Beyonce was wrong.

Not really (contradiction).

I said that Beyonce sings better than most without being at her best.
That was the meaning of that sentence.

Thing is, at that level, you have to be at your best.

If she was going to crack, yes, she needed to put the kabosh on it.
If she lacked the usual strength, I'm sure it would have been fine.
Even if she felt a speck of dust would mitigate her performance, her call.

I'm a fan of live singing.

... but I guess she didn't rehearse with the band and it was cold.  Whatever.

Not like singing Open Mic night at a bar.

If it is unclear what I mean, just ask.

Oh, and yes, what Etta did to Beyonce wasn't cool.
Wrong?  I don't know.
It was her song.

Without class?

Certainly.

Jules NYC wrote:
I said that Beyonce sings better than most without being at her best.
That was the meaning of that sentence.

Thing is, at that level, you have to be at your best.

If she was going to crack, yes, she needed to put the kabosh on it.
If she lacked the usual strength, I'm sure it would have been fine.
Even if she felt a speck of dust would mitigate her performance, her call.

I'm a fan of live singing.

... but I guess she didn't rehearse with the band and it was cold.  Whatever.

Not like singing Open Mic night at a bar.

If it is unclear what I mean, just ask.

Oh, and yes, what Etta did to Beyonce wasn't cool.
Wrong?  I don't know.
It was her song.

Without class?

Certainly.

Like you, I am a fan of live singing ... HOWEVER this was not a concert with people paying lots of money to see/hear her sing.  This was a televised event.  If you only knew how many supposedly "live" televised shows have musicians perform to tracks, you'd be overwhelmed!  Not just for television, but even at many of the concerts people DO pay to attend, vocals are sometimes backed with tracks or in worse case, the "artist" lip-sync's to the music.   I don't like when that happens, but then I don't go to hear Britney Spears in concert either.

Yes, Beyonce does sing better than most. 

At her "level" she most certainly can make these choices.  It's her up there singing regardless of what you think of her singing along to a previously produced track.  It's not a matter of ability or "strength" but about preparedness.  Here is a direct quote from Beyonce regarding the performance.

"I am a perfectionist. I did not have time to rehearse with the orchestra. It was a live television show and a very important moment for me.  Due to the weather, dues to the delay, due to no proper sound check, I did not feel comfortable taking the risk, so I decided to sing along with my prerecorded track, which is very common in the music industry."   < Every word of what she said makes complete sense to me!  Also for you information, I'm involved with the music industry! 

So ... it was NOT some "open mic night at a bar" which by the way, is a horrible comparison ... but "whatever" as you say.  As I said from the start, I am a fan of live singing too.  But there are always exceptions ... and in this case, I would say the media and the public should lay off of her for her decision.

We are not talking about Etta here.  She was most likely not well at the time.  May she rest in peace.   Heck!  May this while media story rest in peace!  Let's get on to the Superbowl! 

Patrick Walberg wrote:
Like you, I am a fan of live singing ... HOWEVER this was not a concert with people paying lots of money to see/hear her sing.  This was a televised event.  If you only knew how many supposedly "live" televised shows have musicians perform to tracks, you'd be overwhelmed!  Not just for television, but even at many of the concerts people DO pay to attend, vocals are sometimes backed with tracks or in worse case, the "artist" lip-sync's to the music.   I don't like when that happens, but then I don't go to hear Britney Spears in concert either.

Yes, Beyonce does sing better than most. 

At her "level" she most certainly can make these choices.  It's her up there singing regardless of what you think of her singing along to a previously produced track.  It's not a matter of ability or "strength" but about preparedness.  Here is a direct quote from Beyonce regarding the performance.

"I am a perfectionist. I did not have time to rehearse with the orchestra. It was a live television show and a very important moment for me.  Due to the weather, dues to the delay, due to no proper sound check, I did not feel comfortable taking the risk, so I decided to sing along with my prerecorded track, which is very common in the music industry."   < Every word of what she said makes complete sense to me!  Also for you information, I'm involved with the music industry! 

So ... it was NOT some "open mic night at a bar" which by the way, is a horrible comparison ... but "whatever" as you say.  As I said from the start, I am a fan of live singing too.  But there are always exceptions ... and in this case, I would say the media and the public should lay off of her for her decision.

We are not talking about Etta here.  She was most likely not well at the time.  May she rest in peace.   Heck!  May this while media story rest in peace!  Let's get on to the Superbowl! 

I agree with you on all points.

The 'open mic at the bar', I was being facetious.

I actually do understand how much events are synced.

I respect a singer (whoever it is) that knows their limits and respects the event at hand.

It was a little more free back at Woodstock before I was born, but that's not here nor there or a like-type event.

All I can say is that I respect Beyonce's decision due to the circumstances.
If she sang not at full mast... if the band unrehearsed threw her off (and she is an experienced singer) the public wouldn't know...

but they would attack her instantly for it:)

The music business is really rough...
No money in a record deal,
some money in publishing and a million and one people that want to be in that 'spot'.

Takes a whole lot of gumption but down to brass tacks,
it's talent.

Jules NYC wrote:

Not really (contradiction).

I said that Beyonce sings better than most without being at her best.
That was the meaning of that sentence.

Thing is, at that level, you have to be at your best.

If she was going to crack, yes, she needed to put the kabosh on it.
If she lacked the usual strength, I'm sure it would have been fine.
Even if she felt a speck of dust would mitigate her performance, her call.

I'm a fan of live singing.

... but I guess she didn't rehearse with the band and it was cold.  Whatever.

Not like singing Open Mic night at a bar.

If it is unclear what I mean, just ask.

Oh, and yes, what Etta did to Beyonce wasn't cool.
Wrong?  I don't know.
It was her song.

Without class?

Certainly.

I understood you. Basically Patrick got the same thing that I'd got out of your post (the part where I'd quoted you in bold.) that you'd clarified, and he's basically making the same point that I'm making.

"At her "level" she most certainly can make these choices.  It's her up there singing regardless of what you think of her singing along to a previously produced track.  It's not a matter of ability or "strength" but about preparedness.  Here is a direct quote from Beyonce regarding the performance. "

It's probably the same reason why the violin player pretended to play. Conditions can change the dynamics. But you don't just up and say, "No. I change my mind. I'm not going to perform tonight." Easy said than done when you're already accepted the task.

Fifi wrote:
Did I just read someone say that Beyonce isn't as big as Lady Gaga and Bieber?

I'm not a fan of Bey, but even I know that's malarkey.

Come on now.

You are talking about what I wrote?  Let me clarify ... I'm talking about "pop culture" right now!  Lady Gaga and Justin Bieber are tooth and nail fighting over the number one and two most followed on Twitter. They've both sold a lot of records recently, and are selling out shows.  Does that make them "bigger" than Beyonce?  Well it depends on what factors we are talking about.  Yes, in the not too recent past, Beyonce has been on top of the charts, and is to this day ... very popular!  But I'm talking about what's happening in "pop" culture now, not 10 years ago.

Looking at the 2012 year in music, not only Gaga and Bieber were getting lots of attention on Twitter and also on the music charts, being streamed online, number of followers on social sites, or winning Grammy awards, but with Rihanna, Nicki Minaj and Adele were also in there fighting for top position in some of those areas of judging popularity on the scene today ... regardless of talent. 

The statistics shall prove it, Beyonce is not the most downloaded, followed, or currently leading on the top songs ... however!  Beyonce has much more longevity than the current crop of pop artists.  In my opinion, Beyonce is also a better performer over all than most of the pop singers mentioned or any others currently ripping up the charts.  She will out last the vast majority of them!  It's just the pattern of her career which is steady and sure while reaching peaks and some valleys ... but the President is a fan of hers and that works greatly in her favor!

We are talking personal opinions here, but I am warm to Beyonce as a fan ... meaning I'm excited enough that I would go see her in concert, and I like what she represents with her music and otherwise.  I would only go to see Gaga or Minaj in concert for the entertainment value of their shows, but I don't care as much for their music.   I like Rihanna's music about the same as Beyonce's ... but I believe that Beyonce is the better singer/musician.  I can take it or leave it with Adele as she leaves me luke warm.  You'd have to pay me a shit load of money to go to a Bieber or a Taylor Swift concert!  I can't stand them or their music. 

If you've been following my posts, you know that I'm a hardcore fan of both Christina Aguilera and Jennifer Hudson.  I buy their music and will go to extremes or pay a lot of money to see them in concert.  That's me though! 

Legacys 7 wrote:
I understood you. Basically Patrick got the same thing that I'd got out of your post (the part where I'd quoted you in bold.) that you'd clarified, and he's basically making the same point that I'm making.

"At her "level" she most certainly can make these choices.  It's her up there singing regardless of what you think of her singing along to a previously produced track.  It's not a matter of ability or "strength" but about preparedness.  Here is a direct quote from Beyonce regarding the performance. "

It's probably the same reason why the violin player pretended to play. Conditions can change the dynamics. But you don't just up and say, "No. I change my mind. I'm not going to perform tonight." Easy said than done when you're already accepted the task.

What's the contradiction then.
We can dissect words like a 7th grade science class but I understood what you meant too.

My general theme is sing it live always unless you're sick or feel like you'll disappoint.

Petfectionism may be self-serving, then again that perfectionism got her to where she is today.

... and albeit I didn't follow this drama at all on TV, I got everyone's opinion right here.

All this talk & Beyonce's talent didn't change.

Jules NYC wrote:
I agree with you on all points.

The 'open mic at the bar', I was being facetious.

I actually do understand how much events are synced.

I respect a singer (whoever it is) that knows their limits and respects the event at hand.

It was a little more free back at Woodstock before I was born, but that's not here nor there or a like-type event.

All I can say is that I respect Beyonce's decision due to the circumstances.
If she sang not at full mast... if the band unrehearsed threw her off (and she is an experienced singer) the public wouldn't know...

but they would attack her instantly for it:)

The music business is really rough...
No money in a record deal,
some money in publishing and a million and one people that want to be in that 'spot'.

Takes a whole lot of gumption but down to brass tacks,
it's talent.

Hmm?  Have you ever considered a career in politics?  I'm serious.  You spun that around so well saying you are agreeing with me and what not, that I'm confused.  Then what did you really mean before?  I'm glad you understand, because I don't.

Maybe because it's late, I'm tired and should be goign to bed now.  Have a good night!  I'll check the forums in the morning ... umm or afternoon. 

Patrick Walberg wrote:
Hmm?  Have you ever considered a career in politics?  I'm serious.  You spun that around so well saying you are agreeing with me and what not, that I'm confused.  Then what did you really mean before?  I'm glad you understand, because I don't.

I took the time to consider her position.
I have always sung live.

I'm not at her level but I don't sing in a garage band either.
Honestly I wished she made it work.

Why she and the band were not able to rehearse is BS but it happens.
All she had to know or tell the band what key she was singing it in.

In jazz, players sing standards all the time without rehearsing once.
It's not like she was singing an unreleased original tune.

As for the cold, I understand it can affect the voice, but hey, what do you expect this time if year in the Northeast?

Maybe her schedule got her sick/worn down.
Who knows.

Kelly Clarkston pulled through.

She probably has pressures unbeknownst to me because most singers are not at the level of noteriety she holds, hence my Bill Clinton.

My intention in threads is to chat, not debate to prove a point to be glib, sarcastic or an asshole. This is not directed at you or anyone in particular.

If I agree with something or disagree, I will say so.

If something opens my eyes to something, I'll say that too.
All this, no reflection of being right/wrong or if I even like a person.

modeled wrote:
The blame for all the vitriol for beyonce likely is due to the fact that Destinys Child radio and tv marketing campaigns were shoved down the American publics throat.... The marketing and publicity suggested Americans love Destinys Child when in reality most people didn't.  Similar to Jessica Simpsin and maybe more so with the Black Eyed Peas.  The disdain comes from the utter lack of talent that although is clear has been secondary to their rise to the top.  These musicians represent a lot of what real music lovers hate, manufactured fake talent with a marketing and plublicity campaign begind them.

En Vogue > Destinys Child lol

What's a real music lover?

Why i hate the Black Eyed Peas

I don’t tend to hate much. Hating something implies that you can find nothing positive whatsoever in the thing you hate, and I can usually find something positive in everything. In this case, and simply in reference to me, not other people, I hate Fergie and the Black Eyed Peas by association.

I am really protective of Hip Hop. Like Chris Rock said ‘I love rap, but I’m tired of defending it’. I’m 31, which might make you think I’m just being nostalgic, but Hip Hop sure ain’t what is used to be, and I’m pointing the finger at the Black Eyed Peas for where it is today.

I met a colleague in the lift a few weeks ago, and as she was wrapping up her ipod, I asked what music she liked, to which she replied ‘hip hop’. I was a little surprised and asked what she had been  listening to and guess what she said, Yep, the Black Eyed Peas.

Initially the Black Eyed Peas were a fairly credible hip-hop group, being signed to Eazy-E’s record label and touring with Jurassic 5. Whilst not really to my taste, their music was at least well rooted in  hip-hop’s burgeoning ‘conscious’ movement, spreading messages of anti-violence and unity.

Instead of sticking to hip hop, they veered wildly into the horrible Pop R+B market, by adding Fergie to their lineup in 2003, and went on to produce what in my opinion are some of the worst records in my lifetime.

Now being a Pop band is no bad thing, pop is after all ‘popular’, and whilst you might think I’m just being a music snob, I still have a massive problem with the fact that they call themselves a Hip Hop group.

The Black Eyed Peas, although a worldwide name, have achieved terrible chart results in the US. From their last two albums, they have achieved the following positions in the U.S. Hot 100 chart: 8, 23, 21, 3, 14, 3 and 18. Not great really, but they are a Hip Hop group remember, more of a niche appeal kind of group? Not so. In the U.S. Hip Hop and Rap charts they have fared even worse attaining the positions: 82, 19, 22, 10 and 57.

So it’s clear to see that America doesn’t think much of their status as a Hip Hop group. Their popularity has come from countries like France, Australia, Germany, China, Indonesia, and Israel, where an American accent, a saucy video and some black guys can get you a long way.
Another reason for their notoriety is their incessant licensing, seemingly without any creative conscience, selling their work to any corporation, game or movie they can. Black Eyed Peas songs have appeared in:

Garfield: the movie, Apple ipod (advert), NBA TV (advert), Harold and Kumar go to Whitecastle (goofball movie), Barbershop 2 (goofball movie), White chicks (goofball movie) The Simz (videogame), Snickers promotional videos, Bulworth (movie), apple imac (advert), Dance Dance Revolution (videogame), Along Came Polly (goofball movie), Laguna Beach (MTV series), Big Momma’s House 2 (goofball movie), Cars (movie), Pepsi (adverts)
Now, onto Fergie: As a member of the Black Eyed Peas, she has single-handedly done more to destroy what I love about Hip-hop than anyone else. Her brand of ignorant stylistic singalong crap, masquerading as ‘Urban’, ‘Edgy’, ‘Hip Hop’ has nothing beneficial to the scene whatsoever. Not content with ruining the Black Eyed Peas, she has now gone solo, further perverting the genre, creating ‘urban music by numbers’.

Her song ‘My Humps’, is more ‘Weird Al Yankovic’ than Hip Hop. An ode to her arse, mentioning it 55 times in the song, it incredibly won a Grammy. It was described by John Bush as one of the most embarrassing rap performances of the new millennium
Her song ‘London Bridge’ has the genius lyrics: ‘V.I.P., ‘cause you know I gotta shine. I’m Fergie Ferg,give me love you long time’, and ‘Back to back, drop it down real low. I’m such a lady, but I’m dancing like a ho’. Brilliant. More notably, for the entire video, and indeed on the record sleeve, she is dancing in front of Tower Bridge, not London Bridge.

In conclusion:
1. I hate the fact the Black Eyed Peas call themselves a Hip Hop group, when they retain nothing of the genre, and misrepresent it all over the world.

2. I hate the fact that the music they create is inane, formulaic, simplistic, and designed to simply be a money making vehicle.

3. I hate the fact that they will license their work to anything, regardless of context.

4. I hate the fact that when I say I like Hip Hop, the man in the street thinks I listen to this crap.
I gave the lady from the lift a copy of a Tribe Called Quest album. She says she hasn’t listened to it yet.

Patrick Walberg wrote:
Hmm?  Have you ever considered a career in politics?  I'm serious.  You spun that around so well saying you are agreeing with me and what not, that I'm confused.  Then what did you really mean before?  I'm glad you understand, because I don't.

Maybe because it's late, I'm tired and should be goign to bed now.  Have a good night!  I'll check the forums in the morning ... umm or afternoon. 

Thank you Patrick for confirming that I'm not the only one that sees this. And no, fatigue isn't the factor here. It's her.

modeled wrote:
The blame for all the vitriol for beyonce likely is due to the fact that Destinys Child radio and tv marketing campaigns were shoved down the American publics throat.... The marketing and publicity suggested Americans love Destinys Child when in reality most people didn't.  Similar to Jessica Simpsin and maybe more so with the Black Eyed Peas.  The disdain comes from the utter lack of talent that although is clear has been secondary to their rise to the top.  These musicians represent a lot of what real music lovers hate, manufactured fake talent with a marketing and plublicity campaign begind them.

En Vogue > Destinys Child lol

Yes and no. I'd never liked Destinys Child's music. But the reality is, they had a fan base. Primarily young female in and near their age range. If you consider the type of music that they were singing back then, it makes a lot of sense why they had that large female base.

There are groups that are shoved down our throats. But this is nothing new. It's been going on for several decades. Most of those artist are pop artist. Your Brit Spears, Osmond, the boy bands, New Kids on the Block, etc. But they don't last long. It's primarily marketing hype where they get used and in the end are washed up and has been.

Stating most don't like Destinys Child is not really wise to do. It's safe to say, a lot of people. We don't know most people in this country to conclude that.

En Vogue. Two different talents. Imo, En Vogue were a better talent. But time moves on, a new generation will have something that they will gravitate towards. Even the more talented artist suffer from this too. I've only seen a few artist that have been able to adapt with the changing times. Prince and Michael Jackson are two examples.