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Makeup Artist
Ms Eryka
Posts: 3,923
Inwood, New York, US


i'm not posting this as a casting.

but i am asking how do i determine a regular retoucher from a retoucher that does special effects ( like background changes etc)?

is there anyway i can filter the search to find exactly what I need?

thanks for the help in advanced.
Feb 04 13 07:15 pm  Link  Quote 
Makeup Artist
Ms Eryka
Posts: 3,923
Inwood, New York, US


oh man, i put this is in the wrong section .. can a mod help me please?

sad
Feb 04 13 07:16 pm  Link  Quote 
Retoucher
Rpixretouching
Posts: 355
Perris, California, US


I personally think make up artist shouldn't retouch their work, or else they are not showing exactly their work , you should show what you do without retouching
Feb 04 13 08:02 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
PDF IMAGES PHOTOGRAPHY
Posts: 4,603
Jacksonville, Florida, US


Rpixretouching wrote:
I personally think make up artist shouldn't retouch their work, or else they are not showing exactly their work , you should show what you do without retouching

OP use the browse feature at top and use drop down menu to do advance search for area and options.

Good luck !

Feb 04 13 08:12 pm  Link  Quote 
Retoucher
Pictus
Posts: 1,004
Teresópolis, Rio de Janeiro, Brazil


I do BG replacement...
http://i605.photobucket.com/albums/tt136/Pictus171/WEB%20stuff/squirrel.gif
Feb 04 13 10:38 pm  Link  Quote 
Retoucher
Chase Retouching
Posts: 39
Kansas City, Missouri, US


Rpixretouching has a point, although I wouldn't put it quite so strongly. Just make it clear when you're showing off makeup that has been retouched so that you aren't misleading people who want to trade/pay you. I know as both photographer and retoucher I would be irritated to think that you could do amazing makeup only to realize that I have to spend hours more in Photoshop than I expected. Of course, retouching and make-up go hand in hand and cover for each other, so I wouldn't be expecting a "perfect" make-up job either!

That said, you may find a lot of the people with "digital artist" profiles specialize in more creative effects than retouchers, try searching for them. Of course digital artist vs retoucher is a rather nebulous distinction so... who knows.

That said, swapping backgrounds (also called compositing, albeit a limited form thereof) is something that any solid retoucher should be able to do to some degree or another really. The two big things separating a good vs amazing background change is usually the source image and how much time the retoucher spends.

Other than that, you really just have to look at their profiles and portfolios to see what they can do. If you have a specific idea or technique in mind, message them and see if they have any examples of it that they could provide.

Pictus wrote:
I do BG replacement...
http://i605.photobucket.com/albums/tt136/Pictus171/WEB%20stuff/squirrel.gif

You mean you do BG replacement like a boss. I'm guessing the main secret here was spending a TON of time fixing the border while zoomed way in?

Feb 04 13 11:01 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Camerosity
Posts: 5,299
Saint Louis, Missouri, US


I use Milan at ST Retouch in Zurich for compositing (combining a photo with a different background, for example.) He’s the only retoucher I know of who uses stock photos for the background, rather than digitally-drawn art. His specialty is high-end retouching, mostly for advertising clients.

http://www.modelmayhem.com/2212353

HQ Retouch in LA is another retoucher who does good compositing work, although I haven’t worked with her.

http://www.modelmayhem.com/1421876

I’ve seen others, but offhand I don’t recall who they are.
Feb 04 13 11:29 pm  Link  Quote 
Retoucher
Pictus
Posts: 1,004
Teresópolis, Rio de Janeiro, Brazil


Chase Retouching wrote:
You mean you do BG replacement like a boss. I'm guessing the main secret here was spending a TON of time fixing the border while zoomed way in?

LoL

The practice is the boss, after doing this for eons...
At the time, I used Vertus Fluid mask + Topaz Remask + the common Photoshoop tools/tricks.
When using Vertus, I spent a lot of time refining its mask by hand.

Feb 05 13 02:47 am  Link  Quote 
Retoucher
Daniel Meadows
Posts: 752
Manchester, England, United Kingdom


Pictus wrote:

LoL

The practice is the boss, after doing this for eons...
At the time, I used Vertus Fluid mask + Topaz Remask + the common Photoshoop tools/tricks.
When using Vertus, I spent a lot of time refining its mask by hand.

That's a pretty fine mask you've got there smile

Feb 06 13 04:04 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Sarra Carol
Posts: 16
Motley, Minnesota, US


Assuming people paid attention to what they actually do when signing up...

Digital Artists would be the ones to do creative editing and background changes along with retouching.

Retouchers would be blemish removal, extremely basic background adjustments, and other edits and enhancements. Typically those that a lot of photographers do on a day to day basis, just more streamlined.
Feb 06 13 01:30 pm  Link  Quote 
Makeup Artist
Ms Eryka
Posts: 3,923
Inwood, New York, US


Rpixretouching wrote:
I personally think make up artist shouldn't retouch their work, or else they are not showing exactly their work , you should show what you do without retouching

um, thanks but that's not what i asked lol. that's so off the wall.

Feb 06 13 10:34 pm  Link  Quote 
Makeup Artist
Ms Eryka
Posts: 3,923
Inwood, New York, US


Pictus wrote:
I do BG replacement...
http://i605.photobucket.com/albums/tt136/Pictus171/WEB%20stuff/squirrel.gif

THAT'S COOL!

Feb 06 13 10:35 pm  Link  Quote 
Makeup Artist
Ms Eryka
Posts: 3,923
Inwood, New York, US


PDF IMAGES PHOTOGRAPHY wrote:

OP use the browse feature at top and use drop down menu to do advance search for area and options.

Good luck !

thanks! i just put a casting call and added the details i was looking for and they found me smile

Feb 06 13 10:36 pm  Link  Quote 
Makeup Artist
Ms Eryka
Posts: 3,923
Inwood, New York, US


yeah, he does have a point, however, what makes him that i want to touch up my work? assumptions, assumptions, assumptions. lol




Chase Retouching wrote:
Rpixretouching has a point, although I wouldn't put it quite so strongly. Just make it clear when you're showing off makeup that has been retouched so that you aren't misleading people who want to trade/pay you. I know as both photographer and retoucher I would be irritated to think that you could do amazing makeup only to realize that I have to spend hours more in Photoshop than I expected. Of course, retouching and make-up go hand in hand and cover for each other, so I wouldn't be expecting a "perfect" make-up job either!

That said, you may find a lot of the people with "digital artist" profiles specialize in more creative effects than retouchers, try searching for them. Of course digital artist vs retoucher is a rather nebulous distinction so... who knows.

That said, swapping backgrounds (also called compositing, albeit a limited form thereof) is something that any solid retoucher should be able to do to some degree or another really. The two big things separating a good vs amazing background change is usually the source image and how much time the retoucher spends.

Other than that, you really just have to look at their profiles and portfolios to see what they can do. If you have a specific idea or technique in mind, message them and see if they have any examples of it that they could provide.


You mean you do BG replacement like a boss. I'm guessing the main secret here was spending a TON of time fixing the border while zoomed way in?

Feb 06 13 10:38 pm  Link  Quote 
Makeup Artist
Ms Eryka
Posts: 3,923
Inwood, New York, US


cool!

i've heard that before - stock photos vs digitally-drawn art.. which is better looking in photos?

Camerosity wrote:
I use Milan at ST Retouch in Zurich for compositing (combining a photo with a different background, for example.) He’s the only retoucher I know of who uses stock photos for the background, rather than digitally-drawn art. His specialty is high-end retouching, mostly for advertising clients.

http://www.modelmayhem.com/2212353

HQ Retouch in LA is another retoucher who does good compositing work, although I haven’t worked with her.

http://www.modelmayhem.com/1421876

I’ve seen others, but offhand I don’t recall who they are.

Feb 06 13 10:39 pm  Link  Quote 
Makeup Artist
Ms Eryka
Posts: 3,923
Inwood, New York, US


i've never heard of these programs outside of photoshop before ..dang


Pictus wrote:

LoL

The practice is the boss, after doing this for eons...
At the time, I used Vertus Fluid mask + Topaz Remask + the common Photoshoop tools/tricks.
When using Vertus, I spent a lot of time refining its mask by hand.

Feb 06 13 10:40 pm  Link  Quote 
Makeup Artist
Ms Eryka
Posts: 3,923
Inwood, New York, US


thank you for the clarification. i figured there was a difference especially with the profiles i've seen. one retoucher may fix skin but a digital artist could create a castle, monsters etc or whatever lol


Sarra Sanborn wrote:
Assuming people paid attention to what they actually do when signing up...

Digital Artists would be the ones to do creative editing and background changes along with retouching.

Retouchers would be blemish removal, extremely basic background adjustments, and other edits and enhancements. Typically those that a lot of photographers do on a day to day basis, just more streamlined.

Feb 06 13 10:42 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Chuckarelei
Posts: 9,458
Seattle, Washington, US


Pictus wrote:
I do BG replacement...
http://i605.photobucket.com/albums/tt136/Pictus171/WEB%20stuff/squirrel.gif

Pretty good.

I myself hate to do background separation with fuzzy hair.

Feb 06 13 10:48 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Cardmaverick
Posts: 28
Salt Lake City, Utah, US


I specialize mostly in compositing type retouching - I also do all the photography wink Some of my work below. When it comes to finding a good compositor, simply ask for some before/after samples and go with whoever produces the most realistic looking shots. Be real specific too - ask to see ALL the images used in the final product. I would say its 10x harder to find a great compositor than it is a great skin retoucher. The skills required are just so much more demanding. You have to understand lighting, color, perspective, different types of lenses, etc... and the photoshop techniques used can be dramatically different from making a face look nice. I also advise you be ready to pay up for good compositing work. I've spent days working on shots.

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7233/7370364016_eca98e30a1_o.jpg

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8207/8167591009_134e2daa7e_o.jpg
Feb 06 13 10:48 pm  Link  Quote 
Makeup Artist
Ms Eryka
Posts: 3,923
Inwood, New York, US


stunning work. i know i couldn't afford you lol...



Cardmaverick wrote:
I specialize mostly in compositing type retouching - I also do all the photography wink Some of my work below. When it comes to finding a good compositor, simply ask for some before/after samples and go with whoever produces the most realistic looking shots. Be real specific too - ask to see ALL the images used in the final product. I would say its 10x harder to find a great compositor than it is a great skin retoucher. The skills required are just so much more demanding. You have to understand lighting, color, perspective, different types of lenses, etc... and the photoshop techniques used can be dramatically different from making a face look nice. I also advise you be ready to pay up for good compositing work. I've spent days working on shots.

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7233/7370364016_eca98e30a1_o.jpg

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8207/8167591009_134e2daa7e_o.jpg

Feb 06 13 11:58 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
photosbydmp
Posts: 3,808
Shepparton-Mooroopna, Victoria, Australia


i use purple princess in the UK, she is a MASTER.
Feb 07 13 12:21 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Cardmaverick
Posts: 28
Salt Lake City, Utah, US


Just had another thought. If you're trying to show off your makeup, I'd recommend you stick to a photo background. If you go with an illustration... a few things will happen.

1.) You'll have to make the foreground look illustrated to match which means you won't really be showing off your makeup skill.

2.) It just looks super cheesy and amateur to have a photo foreground and illustrated background... at least in my opinion.

Don't MUA's usually use tight closeup shots to show off their work? That would make more sense to me, unless you're just trying to convey that you've worked on bigger nicer projects.
Feb 07 13 01:13 am  Link  Quote 
Retoucher
Kristiana-Retouch
Posts: 289
London, England, United Kingdom


Cardmaverick wrote:
Just had another thought. If you're trying to show off your makeup, I'd recommend you stick to a photo background. If you go with an illustration... a few things will happen.

1.) You'll have to make the foreground look illustrated to match which means you won't really be showing off your makeup skill.

2.) It just looks super cheesy and amateur to have a photo foreground and illustrated background... at least in my opinion.

Don't MUA's usually use tight closeup shots to show off their work? That would make more sense to me, unless you're just trying to convey that you've worked on bigger nicer projects.

+1 stick with model as central figure (if not specific project or look). Small BG fixes and improvements will do all retouchers

Feb 07 13 04:35 am  Link  Quote 
Retoucher
P A P A R A Z Z I
Posts: 1,068
Chicago, Illinois, US


Christiana1990 wrote:
1 stick with llama as central figure (if not specific project or look). Small BG fixes and improvements will do all retouchers

All of this i agree with. Making the llama the central of everything in the photo makes things just a tad easier on the retouchers end. I'm personally not to fond of background placement due to how long it takes. But try to find a retoucher that fits your budget and time and you should be fine. Just be weary of those 5$ touch ups. Keep in mind you get what you pay for as with anything.

Feb 07 13 07:13 am  Link  Quote 
Retoucher
MurphyDigitalMedia
Posts: 5
Chicago, Illinois, US


As a retoucher myself I may be biased, but I believe a good retouching service should have the follwing:

1.) At least 2 years of experience in Photoshop, Illustrator, and After Effects.
2.) Multiple examples of their work on their website, at least 3 images of different retouchings.
3.) They should be available via both email and social media
4.) They should have at least an example of their rates available. i say this because some jobs must be seen in order to give a final cost.

I hope this helps you.

www.murphydigitalmedia.com
Feb 08 13 08:16 am  Link  Quote 
Retoucher
Lefthanded
Posts: 4
Amsterdam, Noord-Holland, Netherlands


What anyone thinks is a good retoucher really depends. Some people really like stuff that I hate.

It's all taste. If you call yourself a retoucher replacing a background shouldn't be much of an issue.

Check me out:

http://www.lefthandedretouch.com

Thanks.
Feb 08 13 08:45 am  Link  Quote 
Retoucher
pixel dimension ilusion
Posts: 1,300
Brussels, Brussels, Belgium


open u wallet and u get verry good ones jajaja
Feb 08 13 08:54 am  Link  Quote 
Model
Brianna Lux
Posts: 7
Sacramento, California, US


Lucky for us we have MM, the retouch artist find you!!
Feb 08 13 11:36 am  Link  Quote 
Retoucher
Lexa-retouch
Posts: 110
Maardu, Harju, Estonia


Hello,
Simply choose retoucher whose work you like and ask about his possibilities.
Feb 08 13 11:39 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
365 Digitals Exposed
Posts: 754
Perris, California, US


pixel dimension ilusion wrote:
open u wallet and u get verry good ones jajaja

Seriously  this a very good point, is not a joke, Unfortunately Lot of people think good retouching will cost $5 OR $10 per image.  a good Retoucher will cost you $40 and up per image.

Feb 08 13 12:22 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Cardmaverick
Posts: 28
Salt Lake City, Utah, US


365 Digitals Exposed wrote:

Seriously  this a very good point, is not a joke, Unfortunately Lot of people think good retouching will cost $5 OR $10 per image.  a good Retoucher will cost you $40 and up per image.

Yep. You get what you pay for. I've seen some really awesome retouchers charge $300+ but they are obviously not selling their services to models.

Feb 08 13 03:08 pm  Link  Quote 
Makeup Artist
Ms Eryka
Posts: 3,923
Inwood, New York, US


i agree smile


pixel dimension ilusion wrote:
open u wallet and u get verry good ones jajaja

Feb 08 13 03:18 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Giedrius Jankauskas
Posts: 1
Vilnius, Vilniaus, Lithuania


Feb 18 13 06:29 pm  Link  Quote 
Retoucher
Stefka Pavlova
Posts: 1
Düsseldorf, North Rhine-Westphalia, Germany


Hi, look here, you may find very good retouchers here: www.findretoucher.com
Cheers
May 21 13 08:29 am  Link  Quote 
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