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Decay of Memory
Posts: 572
Asheville, North Carolina, US


Eastfist wrote:
Modeling, especially nude modeling, is a very narcissistic act. So, to me, if you don't want anyone to see it now, or long after you've died, then you shouldn't do it.  Because, say, 50 years after you've died, some new generation is going to dig up your photos of you when you're hot and young, spank to it and appreciate your beauty, and that is why it was worth it. Putting it crudely, that is.

Crude enough, and also largely inaccurate. The market for old or vintage erotica as a consumable is infinitesimal in comparison to the market for current or modern material. By factors of thousands or 10's of thousands to 1 the "new generation" prefers erotic material featuring other members of the "new generation" for their erotic entertainment, not their parents, grandparents or more ancient ancestors.

Yes, there's a small market in vintage material, valuable primarily for it's rarity and historical significance just like other antiques.

Feb 20 13 01:05 pm  Link  Quote 
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Dimdem
Posts: 14
Dayton, Ohio, US


U have to be careful ;-)
Feb 20 13 01:09 pm  Link  Quote 
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Eastfist
Posts: 3,502
Green Bay, Wisconsin, US


Decay of Memory wrote:

Crude enough, and also largely inaccurate. The market for old or vintage erotica as a consumable is infinitesimal in comparison to the market for current or modern material. By factors of thousands or 10's of thousands to 1 the "new generation" prefers erotic material featuring other members of the "new generation" for their erotic entertainment, not their parents, grandparents or more ancient ancestors.

Yes, there's a small market in vintage material, valuable primarily for it's rarity and historical significance just like other antiques.

I'm talking about the overall picture. Every generation of "nudes" sets the standard for the new generation, whether they know it or not.

Feb 20 13 01:12 pm  Link  Quote 
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Affinity Finch
Posts: 652
Bodmin, England, United Kingdom


This thread truely fasicinating. I am thinking once i am 18 i'll think about doing nudes and this thread is helpful smile
Feb 20 13 01:33 pm  Link  Quote 
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Laura BrokenDoll
Posts: 3,548
Modena, Emilia-Romagna, Italy


If I pose for a picture, I assume that everybody could potentially see it online: my mom, my dad, my little brother, my boss, the bartender, the old lady next door... everybody.
I might prefer them not to see my pictures, but if I wouldn't really comfortable I wouldn't have posed that way at all smile
Feb 20 13 01:39 pm  Link  Quote 
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DougBPhoto
Posts: 37,566
Portland, Oregon, US


Greeneyed Goddess wrote:
So, it seems like I am doing more and more of artsy nudes lately. (I don't include them in my port) and it made me wonder...

Nude models: how do you feel about your friends/family/potential employers etc seeing you nude online?

Are you comfortable with that? Why/why not?

Just trying to figure our my own feelings here... smile

Potential employers would be the main concern in my eyes.

That said, concentrate on doing beautiful work that you can be proud of, and people should accept you for you.

The beauty of the human form is not something to be embarrassed by, it is society/religion/patriarchy trying to sexualize nudity and cling to the old fashioned values that women (and their bodies) are the property of men, and therefore the value of their property should not be devalued.

IMHO, shoot what you like and share it.

If someone can't respect you and work you're proud of, is that a friend you really want to have?

PS:  This just came across my Facebook newsfeed --

The more you love your decisions, the less you need others to love them.

Feb 20 13 01:54 pm  Link  Quote 
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Kayz-Modelling
Posts: 294
Plymouth, England, United Kingdom


Greeneyed Goddess wrote:
So, it seems like I am doing more and more of artsy nudes lately. (I don't include them in my port) and it made me wonder...

Nude models: how do you feel about your friends/family/potential employers etc seeing you nude online?

Are you comfortable with that? Why/why not?

Just trying to figure our my own feelings here... smile

I don't care if my friends see my nudes... They all know I do nudes and they are never surprised by them. If they have something to say about them it is a nice critique that allows me to work on my poses, etc.

Family, however, is another matter entirely. I don't want them to see my work, but if they do that's their own fault. I don't give them links to where my nude work is so if they do happen to see it then they just click off of it and move on.

Future employers. With my chosen career nude modelling isn't really a problem. I don't work with kids or anything sensitive like that, so if a future employer saw them I don't think it would really bother me, if it was the cause of me not getting a job I'd probably be a little miffed.

All in all, my views on the matter is: If you don't want someone to see it, don't shoot it! You'll only make yourself anxious and that's never a good thing in this line of work.

Kayz

Feb 20 13 02:32 pm  Link  Quote 
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sidney_k
Posts: 873
Paris, Île-de-France, France


Greeneyed Goddess wrote:
Just trying to figure our my own feelings here... smile

It is always a good idea to sort out your feelings and consequences before you shoot, not after.

My personal experience.

Feb 20 13 02:43 pm  Link  Quote 
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Decay of Memory
Posts: 572
Asheville, North Carolina, US


So, what you actually meant when you wrote:

Eastfist wrote:
Modeling, especially nude modeling, is a very narcissistic act. So, to me, if you don't want anyone to see it now, or long after you've died, then you shouldn't do it.  Because, say, 50 years after you've died, some new generation is going to dig up your photos of you when you're hot and young, spank to it and appreciate your beauty, and that is why it was worth it. Putting it crudely, that is.

was:

Eastfist wrote:
I'm talking about the overall picture. Every generation of "nudes" sets the standard for the new generation, whether they know it or not.

I'm feeling rather dense considering I missed the point and commented on the part where you were writing about a new generation digging up 50 year old erotica to "spank" to. I just didn't get it at all. See, I thought you were posting in the modelling forum, in a thread about family and friends seeing nude images, a crude generalization about nude images being "spank" material and that models ought to understand that being appreciated in this way is what made it "worth it".

Just couldn't see the forest for the trees on that one.

Feb 20 13 04:09 pm  Link  Quote 
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Greeneyed Goddess
Posts: 217
Salt Lake City, Utah, US


DougBPhoto wrote:

Potential employers would be the main concern in my eyes.

That said, concentrate on doing beautiful work that you can be proud of, and people should accept you for you.

The beauty of the human form is not something to be embarrassed by, it is society/religion/patriarchy trying to sexualize nudity and cling to the old fashioned values that women (and their bodies) are the property of men, and therefore the value of their property should not be devalued.

IMHO, shoot what you like and share it.

If someone can't respect you and work you're proud of, is that a friend you really want to have?

PS:  This just came across my Facebook newsfeed --

The more you love your decisions, the less you need others to love them.

My fav answer so far. Thank you so much for sharing this!

I'll put the quote in my journal.

Feb 21 13 08:10 am  Link  Quote 
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Greeneyed Goddess
Posts: 217
Salt Lake City, Utah, US


Carioca wrote:

It is always a good idea to sort out your feelings and consequences before you shoot, not after.

My personal experience.

True. Mine are all pretty much figured out though. I just wanted to hear what others have to say. smile

Feb 21 13 08:12 am  Link  Quote 
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Koryn
Posts: 35,805
Boston, Massachusetts, US


Laura BrokenDoll wrote:
If I pose for a picture, I assume that everybody could potentially see it online: my mom, my dad, my little brother, my boss, the bartender, the old lady next door... everybody.
I might prefer them not to see my pictures, but if I wouldn't really comfortable I wouldn't have posed that way at all smile

I've been a nude model for long enough to say, with a great deal of certainty, that odds are stacked against anyone you know ever seeing anything you've done.

If odds were in favor of people you know seeing it, someone would have found me out YEARS ago.

Feb 21 13 07:03 pm  Link  Quote 
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hygvhgvkhy
Posts: 2,092
Chicago, Illinois, US


DougBPhoto wrote:
The more you love your decisions, the less you need others to love them.

QFT

All i really have to add is ill be modelling partially* nude when 18, glamour, and if my family found out id be disowned.

but I don't care. My boyfriend doesn't care. and i'll have a new account under a different name, so hopefully anyone I work with just won't look into me that much.

Feb 21 13 10:41 pm  Link  Quote 
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Marin Photography NYC
Posts: 6,752
New York, New York, US


My family has seen my nude photography. They like it!...They don't have anything negative to say. If they did, they know I would do it anyway!...haha
Feb 21 13 10:49 pm  Link  Quote 
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mr. wizard
Posts: 251
Alameda, California, US


twoharts wrote:
it's good to have people on your side in life. so i'd say it's one thing for them to be upset but if they were so upset that they cut you off that could be a bad thing. a lot of things beyond our control can happen in life. it's good to have people you can turn to in times of trouble.

in my experience,  judgemental people "on your side" really aren't.

Feb 21 13 11:06 pm  Link  Quote 
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DougBPhoto
Posts: 37,566
Portland, Oregon, US


Greeneyed Goddess wrote:

My fav answer so far. Thank you so much for sharing this!

I'll put the quote in my journal.
Feb 21 13 11:13 pm  Link  Quote 
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-JAY-
Posts: 6,277
Las Vegas, Nevada, US


My mom has seen my wife nude (she saw me editing her photos before we were dating) - she's also seen most of my art nude work, and likes it (even though her conservative side is kinda... meeehhhhhhh....

My step mom thinks its all porn, though.
Feb 21 13 11:25 pm  Link  Quote 
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Kitty LaRose
Posts: 12,707
Las Vegas, Nevada, US


My family has no problem with nudes since they were all raised in artistic homes. They're a little uncomfortable since it's my naked butt they look at ... but they don't have an issue with it. But, I tend to do the more artsy and steer clear of glamour nudes.
Feb 21 13 11:34 pm  Link  Quote 
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MB Jen B
Posts: 2,852
Clarksville, Tennessee, US


Greeneyed Goddess wrote:
So, it seems like I am doing more and more of artsy nudes lately. (I don't include them in my port) and it made me wonder...

Nude models: how do you feel about your friends/family/potential employers etc seeing you nude online?

Are you comfortable with that? Why/why not?

Just trying to figure our my own feelings here... smile

Hi,
I saw my dad recently when I was traveling and finally had a chance to tell him about my doing this and asked him if he wanted to see some recent shots from San Francisco from two photographers. When he saw them he said they were beautiful and that he thought that they were something that he would put up on his wall.

Oh, so I also had a chance to tell him about my two tattoos also, since I haven't seen him in years and thought these two topics deserved a face to face conversation. smile

So, I am lucky, not only does my mom have an art nude of me on her wall but, my dad wants some too for his!

Jen

Feb 23 13 09:21 pm  Link  Quote 
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Calypso Moon
Posts: 848
Banning, California, US


I see it sort of this way -- there's nothing wrong, or embarrassing, with making out/making love with a significant other.  Should you be ashamed of it?  No.  Would you want your parents to see it?  Generally speaking, absolutely not. 

I feel no embarrassment or discomfort with nudity, but I still wouldn't want my parents to see it.  If they did (and they have) it wouldn't be the end of the world, but it's just weird, because of the context of those people in your life.  It's like your pastor watching you drink a beer, or watching a sex scene with your grandparents.  Nothing wrong with those things, it's just awkward in context.

With the easy availability of everything on the internet, it's almost a guarantee that eventually somebody will see something that wasn't necessarily meant for their eyes, and it's something we each have to either choose to accept -- or pick a different genre of modeling.
Feb 23 13 09:35 pm  Link  Quote 
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Seker Pare
Posts: 186
Canberra, Australian Capital Territory, Australia


I have very mixed feelings about it.
When I started performing and I started to model more often I created a whole other face book account and made sure to block my younger brothers. My then 10 year old brother had joined face book (yes, he lied about his age) and I felt that he didn't need to be seeing his sister in or not in certain things.

I am in no way ashamed of what I do. I don't think there is one filthy thing about my body that I would consider dirty or shameful to be kept away. I don't walk around naked because I understand it makes other people uncomfortable and I know a few years ago I thought - I won't do nudes, I'm just having fun etc etc.

I am afraid of my family or family friends seeing nude photos of me even though my Mum has come and watched me perform. The scariest thing would be for my grandparents and their little scottish friends or her sisters etc finding out... Gossip clan. They regularly get together to have 'tea' and discuss and compare their children and achievements... I don't really think what they would think about it would hurt me but I just don't want that stress in my life. If I can avoid unnecessary drama - I will. Sometimes it also makes me think that it halves or quarters the fish in the sea for me as sometimes no matter what they say - you know they are not so cool with you being naked on the internet. That's ok though.

deleted most of my rant. it was f.ing huge - I got carried away
Feb 23 13 09:40 pm  Link  Quote 
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Koryn
Posts: 35,805
Boston, Massachusetts, US


Eastfist wrote:
llamaing, especially nude llamaing, is a very narcissistic act.

I actually disagree with this, because when we are stripped down and have no clothing to identify us as belonging to any specific group, or to use to "assign" ourselves identity, we become more anonymous. Narcissism is about being caught up in one's own self and identity, adoring yourself as a SELF.

Shooting nudes, I generally felt like my face and persona sort of disappeared, and I became something neutral - something other than myself. It was not narcissistic at all, because there wasn't a lot of "me" left in the final product; I was just a body to reproduce someone else's vision.

I do think, this time around, that is one of the reasons I won't be shooting art nudes as much. I want to have something of myself in the work I'm producing. I got tired of disappearing into some other person's vision of truth and beauty.

Feb 24 13 06:59 am  Link  Quote 
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MB Jen B
Posts: 2,852
Clarksville, Tennessee, US


DougBPhoto wrote:
Potential employers would be the main concern in my eyes.

That said, concentrate on doing beautiful work that you can be proud of, and people should accept you for you.

The beauty of the human form is not something to be embarrassed by, it is society/religion/patriarchy trying to sexualize nudity and cling to the old fashioned values that women (and their bodies) are the property of men, and therefore the value of their property should not be devalued.

IMHO, shoot what you like and share it.

If someone can't respect you and work you're proud of, is that a friend you really want to have?

PS:  This just came across my Facebook newsfeed --

The more you love your decisions, the less you need others to love them.

Yes. smile

Beautifully said.

Feb 24 13 02:45 pm  Link  Quote 
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Photos By Deej
Posts: 1,507
Lawndale, California, US


I don't have time to read the whole thread but you have already taken proper precaution by using a stage name. They won't be associated with your real name
Feb 24 13 06:36 pm  Link  Quote 
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Sugar Deet
Posts: 34
San Diego, California, US


I certainly wouldn't mind, I'm happy with my work and my body smile
Feb 24 13 06:42 pm  Link  Quote 
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D1989
Posts: 11
Montana City, Montana, US


I like doing nude work, never been quite been able to put my finger on why. My friends have all seen it since I did some work for a friend to use for his portfolio and so whenever one of our mutual friends checks out his website they see me naked. Just make sure it is tasteful and if your comfortable with your body then all is good!
Feb 25 13 07:09 pm  Link  Quote 
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ontherocks
Posts: 22,206
Salem, Oregon, US


perhaps. but their money spends the same. of course money often comes with strings attached. but sometimes you need some and robbing a bank isn't really a good option. i refer people to the end of the movie Arthur.

mr. wizard wrote:
in my experience,  judgemental people "on your side" really aren't.

Feb 25 13 07:20 pm  Link  Quote 
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Rain- Alt Model
Posts: 16
Chicago, Illinois, US


Greeneyed Goddess wrote:
So, it seems like I am doing more and more of artsy nudes lately. (I don't include them in my port) and it made me wonder...

Nude models: how do you feel about your friends/family/potential employers etc seeing you nude online?

Are you comfortable with that? Why/why not?

Just trying to figure our my own feelings here... smile

Only a few friends have seen my nude online portfolio, my family doesn't see it and the purpose of an alias is to make sure that potential employers don't see it either even my clothed work. People outside of the industry have so many misconceptions about it.

Feb 26 13 12:50 pm  Link  Quote 
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MB Jen B
Posts: 2,852
Clarksville, Tennessee, US


BarryH wrote:
You can't choose your family, but why on earth would you want to be "friends" with people who can't accept you for who you are?

This is beautiful!
Yes.

Feb 26 13 02:38 pm  Link  Quote 
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A K
Posts: 181
Charleston, South Carolina, US


I’d say only shoot what you’re comfortable with anyone else knowing about. My friends, family, and coworkers are aware of my nude work. Are you sure that the people in your life would not be accepting of what you choose to do, at least to the degree that it is any of their business?
Mar 22 13 07:49 am  Link  Quote 
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Less Than Two
Posts: 23,401
Ann Arbor, Michigan, US


I can understand in some fields of work or some communities, people knowing might be weird or problematic. And I understand that some people prefer to keep it completely separate.

When it came to strangers, to avoid awkward conversation I had said "I work in the arts", and I simply never talked to my parents about it until my brother told them, not knowing they didn't know already (he knew from social media, and later meeting a few people). Otherwise, I'm an open book about most things, and found my own life easier being fairly open about that too. It actually occasionally found me work, through people knowing someone or another. I didn't find most people to be creepy about it, and I didn't find that most people were offended by it (although my dad did want to make sure he wasn't likely to accidentally see anything). The only time I ever had an issue was a friend of a friend who wanted to shoot me and it wasn't mutual, and he couldn't understand why I didn't want to TFP with him.
Mar 22 13 01:50 pm  Link  Quote 
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Isis22
Posts: 2,310
Muncie, Indiana, US


I don't worry about potential employers. I am mainly a mom and a part-time Ebay seller so it's a moot point.

Only close friends know I llama nude. That is why they are "close" friends.

I find that llamaing nude separates the wheat from the chaff when it comes to dating men. The ones that are supportive are keepers.

2 aunts and my father have seen cropped photos on Facebook. My aunts assumed I wore a strapless bra in the photos but my father came right out and asked me if I was topless. I said yes and he said I thought so and I will let my sisters think what they do;) I think it's funny that it never even occurred to him that I was bottomless too!

I started out doing artistic nudes and that is mainly what I still do. I am more comfortable posing nude. I am proud that I still have the body I have at my age.
Mar 22 13 02:55 pm  Link  Quote 
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Danielle Reid
Posts: 3,843
Little Rock, Arkansas, US


SPV Photo wrote:

Of course, if you choose to do porn, keep your head high too.

Fuck judgmental people.

This...I don't see anything wrong with people who do porn. It's their choice

Mar 22 13 03:56 pm  Link  Quote 
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ontherocks
Posts: 22,206
Salem, Oregon, US


yeah it's not like they're doing something illegal like smoking pot (in all but two states). lol. the world is so funny in how it judges things.

Danielle Kitten wrote:
This...I don't see anything wrong with people who do porn. It's their choice

Mar 22 13 04:13 pm  Link  Quote 
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Dario Western
Posts: 619
Brisbane, Queensland, Australia


SPV Photo wrote:

Of course, if you choose to do porn, keep your head high too.

Fuck judgmental people.

I don't shoot porn, but I agree totally.  :-)

Mar 22 13 04:18 pm  Link  Quote 
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Eyesso
Posts: 655
Ormond Beach, Florida, US


DougBPhoto wrote:
The more you love your decisions, the less you need others to love them.

Brilliant Quote....

I'm not really a nude llama, but I've been a naturist since I was 19 and into my 30's, and helped to start a young adult nudist movement in America that has grown more than we imagined.   We have been trying to redefine stereotypes about nudism by making it fun, and that requires sharing photos and educational videos....stuff that is exactly opposite to all the smut out there under the same title.   So I'm "out there" on the internet, I've come across me and my friends naked on Google....whatever.

I'm also a professional, a doctor.   

I've had friends, deans, family, pastors, colleagues, employees, etc. learn that I was a nudist.  Some have questioned it, most have not.  Any employer that wants to question me about whether the non-sexual exposure of skin is "professional" would find me wiling to point out the irony of making that statement in a healthcare setting.

Here's the thing..... I know where I stand and I know who I am.   If they want to question my integrity I'll be happy to help educate them about something I love (I have). 

So if you love something....never apologize for it.  Never be ashamed of it. 

Just be as naked as you want to be  smile

Mar 22 13 04:29 pm  Link  Quote 
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Damianne
Posts: 15,973
Austin, Texas, US


I'm fine with it.

Sometimes people ask me how I can deal with everyone knowing what I look like naked, and I just explain that not only am I fully aware they'd already thought about it and figured it out, but I know what everyone else looks like naked. Just because you can go home and see pictures doesn't mean that we get to drop the professional pretense that we're all unaware that each of us is a sexual being, either.

*shrug*

A couple of friends and my father prefer to avoid nude photos of me, which in my friends cases means I just never send them anything, and in my father's case means I let him know explicitly where nude photos are most likely to be, as he gets linked to my work as his friends find stuff and will be able to recognize links or know not to, for example, go from a safe link in my portfolio and just browse if he wants to avoid it.
Mar 22 13 05:01 pm  Link  Quote 
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Figuremodel001
Posts: 267
Chicago, Illinois, US


Once the decision is made to do nudes, that decision involves having them appear in shows, on the internet, and who knows where else. It's really no big deal to me, part of the model business, hobby, lifestyle, whatever approach you take. i am completely comfortable with anyone seeing nude photos, drawings, paintings, etc of me. I don't know that it "defines" me, whatever that means; but it sure part of who I am.
Mar 23 13 12:46 pm  Link  Quote 
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Poses
Posts: 8,139
Kansas City, Missouri, US


I regret being a model because it caused my family distress. People say "do what you want, it's your body!" but I feel that can be selfish. At the end of the day, it's a difficult balance. If your family can't deal with your religious choices or sexual orientation, that's one thing, but is posing nude really such a fundamental piece of who you are?

My modeling is in the past, for the most part. It's not exclusively because of my family's disapproval or worry, but I do like knowing that they feel better about my choices.
Mar 23 13 01:16 pm  Link  Quote 
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NothingIsRealButTheGirl
Posts: 32,026
Los Angeles, California, US


Keep in mind, if it hasn't already been mentioned, that an 'alias' may not always keep your nudes dissociated from you.

Improvements in facial recognition will make it technically possible for search engines to serve up all photos of you regardless of whether they were originally associated with a pseudonym, or with your real name.
Mar 23 13 01:35 pm  Link  Quote 
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