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So what do you all think of a potential model/photographer calling you late at night to discuss a potential shoot? To me, after 9pm, it's a bit late unless we've otherwise made arrangements to chat at a particular time. I wouldn't want to call a photographer and possibly wake them up just to discuss a possible shoot. I just had a potential photographer call me right now...at nearly 11pm to discuss shoot. Feb 21 13 10:54 pm Link 11pm is WAY past acceptable for business calls. I think it's about 2-3 hours late for even personal calls, but some accept personal calls at all hours. The best thing you can do, when that happens, is to not make a big deal out of it. Just ask the caller to call you again prior to whatever your desired cutoff is and let them know your cutoff. Then say goodbye. Feb 21 13 10:59 pm Link If the late call bothers you...... 1) don't answer the phone if it's too late for you 2) ask the offending person(s) not to call you so late and give them a latest time to call. 3) if you get too many late calls, post your time limit on your profile page. Complaining about it in the forums probably won't do much to correct this problem. Feb 21 13 11:01 pm Link Establish boundaries from the start, but know & understand, Artists work late. Feb 21 13 11:05 pm Link ForeverFotos wrote: 1) Done! Feb 21 13 11:05 pm Link Waaay to late.. I wouldnt call anyone but close family/friends(that i know are up late, or in an emergency) at 11pm.... You could give him the night owl excuse but what excuse is there? he couldnt call you earlier or tomorrow after hes up? I have talked to a photographer late once but as mentioned before, it was mentioned before(-: Feb 21 13 11:07 pm Link Totally inappropriate! Feb 21 13 11:09 pm Link vbabe wrote: That is definitely not acceptable if it is not pre-approved. Feb 21 13 11:11 pm Link As I exchange numbers with models, I'll let them know what times are good to call me (i.e., between 11am - 9pm daily) and ask them to let me know what time/day is good to call them. Unless you've arranged late night calls with someone, 11pm calls are a bit late, IMO. Feb 21 13 11:12 pm Link it depends. I called a model at 2am a while back. But in my defense, we were talking back and forth on FB chat, and I wanted to get into a little more detail, told her I was calling her. I hate calling, but 8:something... I'll call if needs be. I have no problems receiving calls until midnight. Feb 21 13 11:23 pm Link Feb 21 13 11:23 pm Link It's not professional or appropriate in my opinion for a photographer or model to call after 9:00 pm ... but especially after 10:00 pm! Even though we've already worked together a bit. Unless previously planned, I would not call you past 9:00 ... although you and I are both night owls. I know this from being online late at night myself! We might chat online, but talking on the phone is not necessary that late in the evening. It's alright for close friends or family to call me anytime in the late night or early morning hours because it's usually important and they know I'm usually up. However, I do turn my phone off by 2 am and back on by around 11:00 am. Those are my hours, and I'm sticking to it!  Feb 22 13 12:09 am Link its seems a little late to make a call, and personally I wouldnt call that late, but then again you are up in the forums posting. perhaps the photographer saw your activity? not that it necessarily means its ok to call but if you're awake whats the problem? it's not like the phone call woke you up right? like others said: next time, just don't answer, and tell them that is too late to call. Feb 22 13 01:52 am Link I get wedding clients calling me at all hours - just because they're awake, they seem to think I should be available also. I've had people call me at 23.00 on a Sunday night to discuss 'last minute arrangements' for weddings that were over a month away... Feb 22 13 01:56 am Link Paolo Diavolo wrote: I didn't make any postings until after I got that call. I didn't answer. At that hour, I only accept phone calls from close friends or relatives as I am winding down, finishing up homework and getting ready to go to bed. (I have to work in the morning) I did text back to let him know I was going to bed, so I think he got the idea not to respond. I admit I am a night owl, but I already don't like talking on the phone all that much, much less that late. Text message is one thing, but I just wouldn't think to call someone that late for something that could be discussed at a reasonable hour or by text/email. Feb 22 13 09:33 am Link slightly different situation for me... while i hate talking on the phone to begin with, i rarely ever call anyone, but i answer my phone pretty much between the hours of 7am and 2am... if i have a client or model, especially the paying ones calling me, i could care less what time they call at... of course when i take my 5 hour nap at night, i turn off the ringer... photo is 100% income for me, so i keep myself available as much as possible... back on topic, like mentioned previously, just don't answer the phone and let it go to vmail, then call them back at YOUR convenience... they will likely get the hint about the best times to call you if they want to reach you... Feb 22 13 09:42 am Link Michael Anthony wrote: Good point. I wouldn't mind so much for a paid gig, but this is TFP and a photographer that has already given so many red flags....only 2 images in port, randomly texting me to ask nonwork related questions (never met him in person yet), been on MM over a year and no tags or creidts. I think I will politely turn him down at this point. He just screams unprofessional. Feb 22 13 10:49 am Link Doesn't really matter to me, call me whenever. If I'm available I answer, if not then we will talk later. I've talked to photographers between the hrs of 11 and like 4 but I'm usually up until about 5. Had one call around 1:30 or so and we talked until like 3:30 AM. Guess it just depends on the person. Feb 22 13 02:22 pm Link vbabe wrote: i have always treated TF shoots as paid gigs as the resulting images are always worth money in a portfolio or as learning experience... Feb 22 13 04:50 pm Link Even after asking him to see more of his port, he just responded with "let's shoot soon". Given everything, I'm under the impression he is not a serious photographer (with lack of port, no credits or tags and avoiding showing more than 2 photos of work despite being on MM nearly a year). I politely declined shooting at this time. Feb 22 13 06:36 pm Link Don't answer professional calls at odd hours. You can politely say "I take care of professional business before 9pm." People have different schedules and availability. I work late often, but I don't call non-friends after 10. Feb 22 13 08:09 pm Link vbabe wrote: That sounds shady. Instead of replying to your request to see more images, he deflects it by saying "let's shoot soon" is a red flag to me. If all he has is those two images to show (... which is doubtful) he might be starting out, but he could be honest about it. With such deception, does anyone really want to shoot with him? I think not! You did the right thing. Feb 22 13 08:27 pm Link vbabe wrote: It depends on what you've outlined, or what your experience is with the person. But for first contact, it's a bit late. I've had models contact me at 2:00am on FB to chat, but that's people I have a history with. Feb 22 13 08:35 pm Link Michael Anthony wrote: vbabe wrote: Why are you still talking to this person? Feb 22 13 08:40 pm Link I am not talking to him anymore. Thankfully he never responded after my thanks, but no thanks message. Feb 22 13 10:04 pm Link I don't call after 10, but I have texted models a few times at ridiculous hours, usually right when I'm going to bed after a late night gig and the thought occurs to confirm a morning shoot. Usually the model just texts me back the next morning but I have had one model complain. On the flip side, I have been texted by models myself at 2 or 3 in the morning as well. Feb 23 13 03:21 pm Link Ok, so a few weeks after told him I won't be able to shoot anytime soon and that I'd let him know if anything changes....he text messages me again at 12am tonight just saying "hi". This guy is just so unprofessional. Thoughts and suggestions? Should I just tell him I am not interested and to not contact me again or just go straight to blocking his number? Mar 10 13 12:44 am Link vbabe wrote: Completely ignoring him is probably the best route. Mar 10 13 01:06 am Link True, but this person has shown many red flags....11pm call for initial contact...no photos in port except an Okcupid photo and one other. Unrelated shoot text messages....another random late message a few weeks after I turned him down. I will definitely ignore though and see what happens. Mar 10 13 01:11 am Link vbabe wrote: If you've decided not to work with him tell him that, no need to say why. If he continues to harass you report him. Mar 10 13 06:08 am Link |
