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Photographer
CaliModels
Posts: 2,467
Los Angeles, California, US


Sunday, Apr 7, 12:15P-4:00P est time
Pre-Registration

Picnic & Pictures Day!  Near Pomona.  Open to Mayhem Photographers & Models.  For Photos.  Ratio Attendance.  We'll notify 4-5 models.  They may start at different times.  Photographers can also notify models as it's a Group Shoot.  Fashion and Casual.  We're using a very nice park.  Spacious with Covered areas.  There's a Variety of Available Backdrops.  We'll have a table area, not shared. Free snacks and beverages.

Beginners to experienced.  Models ages 15+.  No alcohol allowed.  It's a Gathering for pictures, fun and networking.  Models may promote themselves.  No Escorts, unless registered as a Photographer.  Exempt are parents and non-photographing spouses.  Freeway close to LA, OC.

Pre-Registration:
>Photographers.  Limited Spots.  Paypal required.  Non-refundable since we pay costs in advance.  Unfortunately, it's not free.  No combined specials.

Registration $26
Post Attendance for $6 Discount, until Apr 4, if space. Expired.
Section 47, group 2

Effective Apr 5, regular registration, if space and time

-There will be a Special Offer for NEW Photographers

Photographers may also use 1 light stand with strobe.  Stand with reflector Ok.  Camera flash on camera OK.

Why Money is NOT Collected at Public Parks.  This was added per photographers asking about it. You're Not Allowed to Collect Money, unless you have a Commercial Permit.  I.E. Selling admission and food.  Collecting Money is one of the best ways to get shut-down and cited.  They could also confiscate the money, plus equipment.  Do you want that?  If you argue, they'll have a greater reason to cite you.

There's some exceptions for money collection at Private Parks, If granted permission.  But, usually for Public, you'll need something like a Carnival Permit.  Selling food equals Health Inspection and Vending Permit.  You can see where this goes.  That's why we only ask a Small amount before-hand to help cover costs.

The management does NOT allow for their name or address to be used.  Please ask questions Prior to date.  Don't wait too long.  Directions sent 4 days prior.
Mar 18 13 05:23 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
CaliModels
Posts: 2,467
Los Angeles, California, US


-Reserved Parking Space

SPECIAL OFFER FOR NEW PHOTOGRAPHERS

Post For It, you'll receive an email
-Ends April 1, Afternoon.  Section 47. (Expired)

We're covering a Large Portion of your costs to find people that want to be part of a group and network.  Team Players.  Pre-registration, non-refundable.

Post Attendance, subject to space
Your port must have at least 5 photos.  No prior no shows, no prior requests and not responding, no late requests.

Allocation; Upto 2 mm photographers and Upto 4 outside photographers, or Any combination that equals allotment.
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-Models notified, 4/2
-Photographers to be notified, 4/2
Mar 18 13 05:27 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
VinceHigginsPhotography
Posts: 197
San Bernardino, California, US


Kurt
    I will see if I can get this day off or I just may show up late.

Vince
Mar 20 13 08:12 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
CaliModels
Posts: 2,467
Los Angeles, California, US


Here's some recent photos;
http://i296.photobucket.com/albums/mm174/imageusa/events/mar3_2013/IMG_3368_500wc.jpg
http://i296.photobucket.com/albums/mm174/imageusa/events/mar3_2013/IMG_3424_500wc.jpg
Mar 20 13 11:00 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
CaliModels
Posts: 2,467
Los Angeles, California, US


VinceHigginsPhotography wrote:
Kurt
    I will see if I can get this day off or I just may show up late.

Vince

OK.  Several new models added.   If you happen to have time on other days in April, a Yucca Valley property may be available.  More info shortly.

Mar 21 13 01:24 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
CaliModels
Posts: 2,467
Los Angeles, California, US


More recent models;
http://i296.photobucket.com/albums/mm174/imageusa/events/mar3_2013/IMG_3563wc.jpg

Photo taken on earlier day, different location;
http://i296.photobucket.com/albums/mm174/imageusa/events/dec4_2011/IMG_0091_500wc.jpg
Mar 22 13 05:49 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
k e v i n
Posts: 606
Baltimore, Maryland, US


If this is at a public park where no permit is being paid for, and the models and photographers are all volunteers... what is the $26 per head going to pay for?
Mar 25 13 12:03 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
CaliModels
Posts: 2,467
Los Angeles, California, US


k e v i n  wrote:
If this is at a public park where no permit is being paid for, and the models and photographers are all volunteers... what is the $26 per head going to pay for?

-That's Not what was posted-
There's a Discount, limited attendance.  Can you tell me which models and photographers "Volunteered" to pay the permit, snacks, beverages, and gas expense for extra trip for paperwork and Non-Refundable Payment?  Also table cloths, copies, phone bill.  Just ice and plates last time was $9.  In the past, I rented a Private Park (yep private), NOT Free, $75/hr plus $250 deposit...Yet, on a shoot with 3 makeup artists, there was a Photographer complaining about the (Discounted) $17 walk-in.  (I added from my pocket $10/photog to cover expenses.)  I'm also covering Additional Costs for this one.  Photographers are receiving a Subsidy, that was recently named Section 47.  All that's asked is a Thank You.

So, we're looking for courteous people that want to be part of a group.  The Doors are Open for New Photographers.  Start on the right foot.  You don't need to be a great photographer, but you need to have some photos in your port.

-On this topic (more shortly), with a Yucca Valley opening, and it's the best one...I would like new photographers to join.  Either we work together and help cover expenses or we hire someone for cleanup/setup.

Mar 25 13 03:20 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
CaliModels
Posts: 2,467
Los Angeles, California, US


One of our newest models;
http://i296.photobucket.com/albums/mm174/imageusa/events/mar16_2013/IMG_4396_500wc.jpg
Mar 26 13 01:20 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
CaliModels
Posts: 2,467
Los Angeles, California, US


Another recent model;
http://i296.photobucket.com/albums/mm174/imageusa/events/Jan27_2013/IMG_2999_500wc.jpg
Mar 27 13 03:54 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Sal W Hanna
Posts: 6,612
Huntington Beach, California, US


CaliModels wrote:
Can you tell me which models and photographers "Volunteered" to pay for the permit, snacks, beverages, and gas expense for extra trip for paperwork and Non-Refundable Payment?

Kevin had the same question I do.
Have you acquired a permit?
http://www.ci.pomona.ca.us/mm/Filming_P … cation.pdf in the amount of $500 plus indemnifying the event with a minimum of $2M aggregated policy?

By the sound of your original post, you don't.

Mar 27 13 08:07 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
CaliModels
Posts: 2,467
Los Angeles, California, US


Many attending models are new.  Additional models can be added now, But only with early photographer signups.  Otherwise, we'll wait until next week and go from there.

She's scheduled;
http://i296.photobucket.com/albums/mm174/imageusa/events/mar16_2013/IMG_4527wc.jpg
Mar 27 13 08:06 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
CaliModels
Posts: 2,467
Los Angeles, California, US


We have a permit, but there's many types of permits.  Most of it has Already Been Posted with Terms.  We can't have every permit and don't need to.  It's Already Posted that there's Discounted rates to cover expenses.  It shouldn't take much thinking to realize you can't spend $2000-$5000 for 10 people, and it's Obviously Not going to cost $20.  That can't even cover snacks & beverages.
-Models enter free, no selling, no day collecting, limited numbers...Simple
Mar 28 13 06:39 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
k e v i n
Posts: 606
Baltimore, Maryland, US


CaliModels wrote:
We have a permit, but there's many types of permits.  Most of it has Already Been Posted with Terms.  We can't have every permit and don't need to.

So you're saying there's a different type of permit other than the standard filming permit that every city requires? Personally I'm sick and tired of paying for those permits. If there's an alternative, would you mind PMing me the details? I'd love to save some $ on my shoots.

Mar 29 13 12:12 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
DArt Ale
Posts: 31
Los Angeles, California, US


We have to acknowledge that there is a lot of work in organizing a photo-shoot. It is not just showing in the park and everything happens. By recognizing it I gladly pay the fee when I attend, so you should do it.
Mar 29 13 09:10 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
CaliModels
Posts: 2,467
Los Angeles, California, US


DArt Ale wrote:
We have to acknowledge that there is a lot of work in organizing a photo-shoot. It is not just showing in the park and everything happens. By recognizing it I gladly pay the fee when I attend, so you should do it.

Thanks for the Good Words. smile  You're Absolutely Right, it's a lot more than just showing-up and things happen, especially within 30 minutes notice.

Mar 29 13 12:40 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
CaliModels
Posts: 2,467
Los Angeles, California, US


http://i296.photobucket.com/albums/mm174/imageusa/misc/easter-graphics-lines.gif
Happy Easter

Some Updates.  New photographers are encouraged to register.  Contact soon.  There's a Limit.  The location has both open and covered areas.  In case of inclement weather, we can still do it.  Models also informed of it.  Parking is free. smile We don't charge you for parking like other groups.
Mar 30 13 12:45 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
CaliModels
Posts: 2,467
Los Angeles, California, US


Just a few days until the weekend.  We can add upto 2 photographers.  Models have been notified, photographers next.
Apr 03 13 12:50 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
VinceHigginsPhotography
Posts: 197
San Bernardino, California, US


Kurt, I will not be able to make this shoot, work scheduling.

Vince
Apr 05 13 12:56 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
CaliModels
Posts: 2,467
Los Angeles, California, US


VinceHigginsPhotography wrote:
Kurt, I will not be able to make this shoot, work scheduling.

Vince

I just got back from a vacation, maybe we'll see you next time.  Try to make Yucca Valley if we do it.  You asked about the horses last time,

A derby prep Sat features the talented Flashback.  He'll be a short price and is drawn inside, which may not be ideal for him.  So, I'll pass that bet and go with 2 others with some trouble last time.  Fed Biz and Flashy Ways.  No guarantees.

Apr 05 13 10:30 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
CaliModels
Posts: 2,467
Los Angeles, California, US


Possible Special Shoot, April.
http://i296.photobucket.com/albums/mm174/imageusa/events_samples/09_3012models_350wc.jpg
Yucca Valley.  Some photos taken in the yard and home.  It may Open shortly.  It's the Best Home and property we've used so far, with 2 yards including the new mini farm.   We've done 4 shoots at this home, sometimes with window lighting and other times strobes.  We also used a different home on the lot.  Management owns all homes.  This is the nicer home.  If we can get it, a small hold is needed and people are expected to help out to reduce costs.  Shoot style fashion, bikini
Apr 06 13 12:55 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Cals Imaging Services
Posts: 6,619
Irvine, California, US


k e v i n  wrote:
If this is at a public park where no permit is being paid for, and the models and photographers are all volunteers... what is the $26 per head going to pay for?
Sal W Hanna wrote:
Have you acquired a permit?
http://www.ci.pomona.ca.us/mm/Filming_P … cation.pdf in the amount of $500 plus indemnifying the event with a minimum of $2M aggregated policy?

By the sound of your original post, you don't.

Who said that there is no permit? Kurt has always been meticulous about getting the required permits. The money collected before the shoot goes to pay the permits , snacks and drinks.

It appears that there are a couple of people just trying to stir up problems where there are none.

Apr 07 13 02:16 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Wayne Cutler
Posts: 625
Los Angeles, California, US


Cals Imaging Services wrote:

k e v i n  wrote:
If this is at a public park where no permit is being paid for, and the models and photographers are all volunteers... what is the $26 per head going to pay for?

Who said that there is no permit? Kurt has always been meticulous about getting the required permits. The money collected before the shoot goes to pay the permits , snacks and drinks.

It appears that there are a couple of people just trying to stir up problems where there are none.

Totally agree with you, Cal.  If a sponsor has not secured a permit or the right permit, it is the sponsor and not the photographers or models who will be subjected to legal action or not allowed to hold a shoot on the premises again.  Over the years, I have been to shoots that were shut down early or never started because the sponsor did not get the permit.  However, I do believe that shoot that is shut down due to the sponsor's fault of not securing the proper permits, the sponsor should refund the photographers their money.

Apr 07 13 02:53 pm  Link  Quote 
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Sal W Hanna
Posts: 6,612
Huntington Beach, California, US


Cals Imaging Services wrote:
Who said that there is no permit? Kurt has always been meticulous about getting the required permits. The money collected before the shoot goes to pay the permits , snacks and drinks.

It appears that there are a couple of people just trying to stir up problems where there are none.

Cal, you and I have been acquaintances for a few years. The question was valid as the OP did not state he had acquired a permit. His initial statements made it seem as though this was a gorilla style of shoot. I wouldn't want anyone being cited because a host failed to do things by the law. You know my job, you know it's a duty of mine to "protect and serve" as they say. For the record, there have been photographers and models who have been recently cited because the organizer failed to secure the proper permits.

Either way, I wish all those who are attending and hosting this event the best.

Apr 08 13 09:50 am  Link  Quote 
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CaliModels
Posts: 2,467
Los Angeles, California, US


Another Great Day.  The Best of the Weekend!  We even had an International cast.  We had a few photogs that called in sick per they had to work, and they really missed out.  Yep, they had written excuses from their moms.wink  Pics soon.  Upcoming is a possible Yucca V.  Then, maybe a special in May.
Apr 08 13 03:56 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
VinceHigginsPhotography
Posts: 197
San Bernardino, California, US


Kurt
  You are right, I feel sick for not being there. I have a crazy work schedule that at times makes me very sick for missing out. I am very sure that it was a great shoot, with some very talent models/photographers. Looking to see the amazing photos from your shoot.

SAD :-(
Vince
Apr 08 13 09:28 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
CaliModels
Posts: 2,467
Los Angeles, California, US


From Sunday, look at that sunshine.
http://i296.photobucket.com/albums/mm174/imageusa/events/apr7_2013/IMG_5342wc.jpg
Apr 09 13 11:42 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Cal
Posts: 650
Santa Ana, California, US


Sal W Hanna wrote:
Cal, you and I have been acquaintances for a few years.

I have known Kurt for a few more years than I have known you.

Sal W Hanna wrote:
The question was valid as the OP did not state he had acquired a permit. His initial statements made it seem as though this was a gorilla style of shoot.

Here's a project for you, go through all of the threads and list all of the threads that state that they have permits for their shoots. I doubt you will find very many. If you don't like the way a post is written the poster must be in the wrong?

Sal W Hanna wrote:
I wouldn't want anyone being cited because a host failed to do things by the law. You know my job, you know it's a duty of mine to "protect and serve" as they say.

How were you protecting his shoot? Isn't one of the concepts of the US Constitution, Innocent until proven guilty? Rather than doing a little investigation and finding out that the required permits were acquired you jumped to the conclusion that he was guilty.

Sal W Hanna wrote:
For the record, there have been photographers and models who have been recently cited because the organizer failed to secure the proper permits.

Either way, I wish all those who are attending and hosting this event the best.

In the past one of the shoot sponsors had repeatedly refused to get permits for their shoots. I didn't see you jump on any of those threads.

Apr 10 13 12:40 am  Link  Quote 
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CaliModels
Posts: 2,467
Los Angeles, California, US


VinceHigginsPhotography wrote:
Kurt
  You are right, I feel sick for not being there. I have a crazy work schedule that at times makes me very sick for missing out. I am very sure that it was a great shoot, with some very talent models/photographers. Looking to see the amazing photos from your shoot.

SAD :-(
Vince

It was non-stop great, and not enough time to finish my sandwich.  Apples also great.  We're lucky to have classy people and welcome other courteous people.  See you next time.
Cal, good to see you're around.  Here's another photo;
http://i296.photobucket.com/albums/mm174/imageusa/events/apr7_2013/IMG_5185wc.jpg

Apr 11 13 07:02 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
CaliModels
Posts: 2,467
Los Angeles, California, US


Now planning the next shoot, may use a new place.  Here's another photo.
http://i296.photobucket.com/albums/mm174/imageusa/events/apr7_2013/IMG_5333wcr.jpg
Apr 15 13 02:26 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
CaliModels
Posts: 2,467
Los Angeles, California, US


Yucca V property has Opened.  We're attempting to schedule something soon.  This is the best home with large yard.   Home can be used as a studio.  The large yard is something new, made available last year.

...Stocks.  Haven't done this in awhile since it was only up.  But, we saw weaknesses in Asia and Europe early this morning, which carried-over to US markets.  Also, an incident at Boston's Marathon.  Sometimes in the past, occurrences like these triggered sell-offs.  Although I think the economy is good, I'm going to take some profits to protect.  Good luck all, No guarantees.
Apr 15 13 04:58 pm  Link  Quote 
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CaliModels
Posts: 2,467
Los Angeles, California, US


We have a few Open Days for April, in Yucca V.  Management said right now as it may be out by next month.  Weather perfect now.

This will be a low-ratio.  It can be done with only a handful of people, IE. 2 models & 3 photographers.  We're willing to add more people with timely Photographer Signups.  Indoors and Outdoors.  Fashion and swimwear.   You'll be partially funded.  Section 47.  Registration for Group Shoot Only $20.  Please also give models some photos.  Requires $5 deposit w/paypal, with cash balance due day-of-shoot.  Refunds only if shoot is canceled.  Contact if interested in registering.

Past photos from location;
http://i296.photobucket.com/albums/mm174/imageusa/events/jan16_2011/IMG_2678wc.jpg
http://i296.photobucket.com/albums/mm174/imageusa/events/jan16_2011/IMG_4313wc.jpg
Apr 18 13 06:19 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
CaliModels
Posts: 2,467
Los Angeles, California, US


Aiming for Wed-24th, with Thurs as backup.  1P-4:30P.  Format as noted in previous post.  Fashion/swimwear ages 16 plus. $15 Weekday Special for new mayhem photographers or existing.  Must be in good standings as always.  Requires $5 down and balance in cash.   Also provide models with photos.   We'll take upto 2 photogs.  If additional photogs join, there's a chance we can add a model tomorrow.  We'll have a strobes inside and a large outdoor area.  (We may limit outdoor areas.)  Bring generic RF-616 trigger, or you may share 1 there.  Bring flash, limit 1 lightstand/photog for group shoot.  Bring own snacks/beverages.  (No privates planned at this time.)  Weather mostly sunny 75 degrees.  Refunds only if canceled.
Apr 22 13 11:05 pm  Link  Quote 
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