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Henley Photographic
Posts: 64
Swindon, England, United Kingdom


Obviously to take the picture i hope to attach is easy...

i want to take a similar picture , but i dont want a blurred model.

i've seen a wedding picture where 2 on the right of the bride paint with light. 2 on the left of the bride paint with light  but she is blurred due to the slow shutter speed. other than telling her to not move a muscle can you give me ideas.

i have 2xPW's with 430ex11's
Mar 26 13 01:29 pm  Link  Quote 
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-Ira
Posts: 2,187
New York, New York, US


Sorry, read that twice and still don't know what you're trying to accomplish.

Can you provide an example?
Mar 26 13 01:32 pm  Link  Quote 
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Henley Photographic
Posts: 64
Swindon, England, United Kingdom


yeah... if i knew how to post a picture to this post .. blooming thing! why cant they put a tab to add an image!
Mar 26 13 01:33 pm  Link  Quote 
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ontherocks
Posts: 22,554
Salem, Oregon, US


unless it's something in your portfolio i believe you have to host the image yourself and then you can link to it (or embed it).

Henley Photographic wrote:
yeah... if i knew how to post a picture to this post .. blooming thing! why cant they put a tab to add an image!

Mar 26 13 01:39 pm  Link  Quote 
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Marin Photography NYC
Posts: 7,235
New York, New York, US


Henley Photographic wrote:
yeah... if i knew how to post a picture to this post .. blooming thing! why cant they put a tab to add an image!

[img] imagelink [img/] The link (photo) has to be on the internet not your computer....

Mar 26 13 01:39 pm  Link  Quote 
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Henley Photographic
Posts: 64
Swindon, England, United Kingdom


Mar 26 13 01:41 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Henley Photographic
Posts: 64
Swindon, England, United Kingdom


well theres the link to the picture. it still didnt appear on the forum though :-(

but you see what i`d like to copy....   but i would prefer to have the people painting sharp and not blurred... my thought was a slowish shutter speed to capture the light painting and then to rear curtain sync to light up the subjects after,..  but i dont think that would work ?
Mar 26 13 01:44 pm  Link  Quote 
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Joseph William
Posts: 2,022
Chicago, Illinois, US


If you want to do anything that requires dragging the shutter with out blur you have to be sure that the ambiant light is not on e subject.  Either flag banquet room lights from the brides face, or something.  If you are having the bride light paint a heart or something you could stop down a bit and turn up the power on your flash to cut the room ambiant.
Mar 26 13 01:45 pm  Link  Quote 
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-Ira
Posts: 2,187
New York, New York, US


oye, i surrender trying to post that image.  click the link above
Mar 26 13 01:46 pm  Link  Quote 
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Joseph William
Posts: 2,022
Chicago, Illinois, US


Henley Photographic wrote:
well theres the link to the picture. it still didnt appear on the forum though :-(

but you see what i`d like to copy....   but i would prefer to have the people painting sharp and not blurred... my thought was a slowish shutter speed to capture the light painting and then to rear curtain sync to light up the subjects after,..  but i dont think that would work ?

In this example the sparklers are lighting the light painters.  If they did the painting with flashlights rather than sparklers and you tell them to be careful not to get light on each other you will have less blurring

Mar 26 13 01:47 pm  Link  Quote 
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Joseph William
Posts: 2,022
Chicago, Illinois, US


Of course the blurring is part of the charm
Mar 26 13 01:48 pm  Link  Quote 
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SayCheeZ!
Posts: 17,981
Las Vegas, Nevada, US


Henley Photographic wrote:
[img]http://www.modelmayhem.com/portfolio/pic/32123144 [img/]

http://photos.modelmayhem.com/photos/130326/13/51520760ccfcc.jpg



fixed

Mar 26 13 01:48 pm  Link  Quote 
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-Ira
Posts: 2,187
New York, New York, US


Camera on a tripod.  Composite two images.  One with the bride groom illuminated with flash.  Second with other subjects illuminated by sparklers.
Mar 26 13 01:51 pm  Link  Quote 
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AVD AlphaDuctions
Posts: 10,541
Gatineau, Quebec, Canada


Henley Photographic wrote:
well theres the link to the picture. it still didnt appear on the forum though :-(

but you see what i`d like to copy....   but i would prefer to have the people painting sharp and not blurred... my thought was a slowish shutter speed to capture the light painting and then to rear curtain sync to light up the subjects after,..  but i dont think that would work ?

slow shutter speed only works if you have flash illuminating your subjects and freezing their motion. if you are dragging the shutter to bring up the ambient, that ambient better be very still.
I think your problem is trying to slow the shutter to capture the light painting. I'm betting you could go to a decent shutter speed and still capture the light.  sparklers are very bright.  a bit of fill flash will get the subjects lit up.  if you are metering off the B&G you might get away with doing it TTL.   the idea is you are exposing for the B&G and the sparklers (or whatever they are) are just bright things on the side.

Mar 26 13 01:52 pm  Link  Quote 
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Henley Photographic
Posts: 64
Swindon, England, United Kingdom


how did you do that cheeezey ?
Mar 26 13 01:54 pm  Link  Quote 
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Joseph William
Posts: 2,022
Chicago, Illinois, US


Henley Photographic wrote:
how did you do that cheeezey ?

You had [img/] rare than [/img]

Mar 26 13 01:59 pm  Link  Quote 
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Henley Photographic
Posts: 64
Swindon, England, United Kingdom


that image seems to be to very flat lit, i think it was taken with on camera flash

i guess if i used to flash guns. 1 zoomed into the bg and the other as wide as possible but on a lower power that would light it nicely/  or do you think with the sparklers i wouldnt need the wide flash, and could use it more for the halo effect behind the B&G

i need to get out there and play really but the weather is so bad i dont want to freeze and get wet! ;-)
Mar 26 13 02:00 pm  Link  Quote 
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Keith Allen Phillips
Posts: 3,503
Sacramento, California, US


You'll have to do it somewhere very dark or the ambient light will show the blur of the people moving. The sparklers should be bright enough that you could stop down quite a bit. That would lessen the effect of the sparklers on the people holding them.

The ideal way to do that would be to use lights that don't reflect back on the person holding them. There's all sorts of small, blinky LED type lights that would be better for this than sparklers.
Mar 26 13 02:02 pm  Link  Quote 
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Joseph William
Posts: 2,022
Chicago, Illinois, US


This is something that is best learned by tinkering.  So getting "out there" is advised.  Lighting the background is not advised.
Mar 26 13 02:02 pm  Link  Quote 
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Henley Photographic
Posts: 64
Swindon, England, United Kingdom


-Ira wrote:
Camera on a tripod.  Composite two images.  One with the bride groom illuminated with flash.  Second with other subjects illuminated by sparklers.

i did think about doing it in 2 images and with a little bit of PS i could easily patch them together.

Mar 26 13 02:02 pm  Link  Quote 
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AVD AlphaDuctions
Posts: 10,541
Gatineau, Quebec, Canada


Joseph William  wrote:

You had [img/] rare than [/img]

more important you linked to the .jpg and not the page.  [img] tags need an image.

Mar 26 13 02:05 pm  Link  Quote 
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Joseph William
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Chicago, Illinois, US


Henley Photographic wrote:

i did think about doing it in 2 images and with a little bit of PS i could easily patch them together.

I would vote against this methodology

Mar 26 13 02:07 pm  Link  Quote 
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Henley Photographic
Posts: 64
Swindon, England, United Kingdom


Keith Allen Phillips wrote:
The ideal way to do that would be to use lights that don't reflect back on the person holding them. There's all sorts of small, blinky LED type lights that would be better for this than sparklers.

I do feel that the bits shooting off the sparklers make the image look better then it would if was shot with flash lights though ?

shame the photographer that took this pic didnt move the table out of the background :-)

Mar 26 13 02:09 pm  Link  Quote 
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Henley Photographic
Posts: 64
Swindon, England, United Kingdom


http://www.modelmayhem.com/portfolio/pic/32123144
Mar 26 13 02:10 pm  Link  Quote 
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Keith Allen Phillips
Posts: 3,503
Sacramento, California, US


Henley Photographic wrote:

I do feel that the bits shooting off the sparklers make the image look better then it would if was shot with flash lights though ?

shame the photographer that took this pic didnt move the table out of the background :-)

The light from the sparklers hitting the people holding them WILL cause blur though. While I agree that it looks good there are a million other options that would make the photo easier and wouldn't require any photoshop trickery. Personally I'd look for some sort of blinking LED heart shaped lights. They'd even be easy to make. That way the writing wouldn't just spell love, the letters would be made out of hearts... how sweet tongue

Mar 26 13 02:21 pm  Link  Quote 
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dave phoenix
Posts: 1,299
Phoenix, Arizona, US


misunderstood the goal.

you want a photo of a sharp model holding a blurry sparkler?
Mar 26 13 02:33 pm  Link  Quote 
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Herman Surkis
Posts: 8,792
Victoria, British Columbia, Canada


SayCheeZ!  wrote:

http://photos.modelmayhem.com/photos/130326/13/51520760ccfcc.jpg



fixed

How?
In basic account you cannot do that.

Mar 26 13 02:42 pm  Link  Quote 
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Jackson frontier photos
Posts: 531
Joplin, Missouri, US


-Ira wrote:
Camera on a tripod.  Composite two images.  One with the bride groom illuminated with flash.  Second with other subjects illuminated by sparklers.

^^ that.

Mar 26 13 02:43 pm  Link  Quote 
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AVD AlphaDuctions
Posts: 10,541
Gatineau, Quebec, Canada


Herman Surkis wrote:

How?
In basic account you cannot do that.

anyone can post images in forums. I think you are confusing this with the restrictions on the use of BBCODE in basic account profiles.
the problem the OP had was twofold 1) coding error and 2) linking to a page rather than an image (jpg).  the link must be something.jpg

Mar 26 13 03:17 pm  Link  Quote 
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Henley Photographic
Posts: 64
Swindon, England, United Kingdom


dave phoenix wrote:
misunderstood the goal.

you want a photo of a sharp model holding a blurry sparkler?

kinda/.. i want a faster shutter speed to reduce the blur of  people holding sparklers and also have no blur for the b&g .. i guess they are easy though as they are in a brace position and can keep still for a 60th or so

Mar 26 13 03:18 pm  Link  Quote 
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AVD AlphaDuctions
Posts: 10,541
Gatineau, Quebec, Canada


Henley Photographic wrote:

kinda/.. i want a faster shutter speed to reduce the blur of  people holding sparklers and also have no blur for the b&g .. i guess they are easy though as they are in a brace position and can keep still for a 60th or so

grab a bag of sparklers at the dollar store and get your kids to practice. I think 1/60 works but theres a limit beyond which you start to freeze motion and cease to get the painting effect.  it will cost you a dollah to figure it out and your kids will be....really disappointed that you made them play with sparklers tongue
remember that it will be a tradeoff.  the arms will still be blurry because they are holding the sparklers that you want to be moving.  you can get the bodies pretty frozen tho.

Mar 26 13 03:55 pm  Link  Quote 
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Henley Photographic
Posts: 64
Swindon, England, United Kingdom


Cheer AVD... the only problem is my boy is only 6months  and would probably try and eat it ;-)

but your right... i need to get out and practice!
Mar 26 13 04:12 pm  Link  Quote 
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AVD AlphaDuctions
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Gatineau, Quebec, Canada


Henley Photographic wrote:
Cheer AVD... the only problem is my boy is only 6months  and would probably try and eat it ;-)

but your right... i need to get out and practice!

it will be good training for him "the burnt child fears the sparkler"
sorry for forgetting you are in the UK.  you dont have dollar stores there, you have eurostores

Mar 26 13 04:13 pm  Link  Quote 
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Joseph William
Posts: 2,022
Chicago, Illinois, US


OK so I did a google image search

this is writing with a light that does not hit the person doing the writing model light with off camera flash

http://www.iheartfaces.com/2012/10/phot … -painting/

http://adventuresofbritt.wordpress.com/page/9/

Light writing with no flash.  light from the writing source (probably flashlight) bouncing back to almost light the figures, or room ambient is doing it

http://www.flickr.com/photos/samanntran/5267351857/
http://www.diaryofalatebloomer.com/2011 … -painting/

this is light painting where the light is shown onto the subject rather than at the camera.
http://delriophotographyblog.tumblr.com … paintbrush



point being that if you want to write with light but you want to have all the subjects not be blurry you need to be sure that the light source you are writhing with does not laminate the writers.  I how ever like the effect of bluryness caused
Mar 26 13 04:29 pm  Link  Quote 
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Henley Photographic
Posts: 64
Swindon, England, United Kingdom


AVD AlphaDuctions wrote:

Henley Photographic wrote:
you dont have dollar stores there, you have eurostores

How very dare you ;-)  the one good thing about the UK is we don't have the euro,  still the good old £

we do have stupid EU laws though and I`m not sure we can buy sparklers as freely as you. #nannystate!

Mar 27 13 01:02 am  Link  Quote 
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AVD AlphaDuctions
Posts: 10,541
Gatineau, Quebec, Canada


Henley Photographic wrote:

AVD AlphaDuctions wrote:

Henley Photographic wrote:
you dont have dollar stores there, you have eurostores

How very dare you ;-)  the one good thing about the UK is we don't have the euro,  still the good old £

we do have stupid EU laws though and I`m not sure we can buy sparklers as freely as you. #nannystate!

if you cant buy sparklers then your problem is solved!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Mar 27 13 09:15 am  Link  Quote 
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Jonesco Photography
Posts: 2
Manchester, England, United Kingdom


thought i would throw my penny in on how to do this with no photoshop nonsense.
use rear sync flash with your ambient light.

ie figure out your settings to get the ambient sparklers or leds or whatever, your flash will fire at the end of the exposure and freeze the action so you can get the couple in focus and still. they can move all they like during the ambient part of the exposure but the flash will freeze them nice and crispy sharp... is that what you're after?

here's an example with the first 2 shots
http://jonescophotography.blogspot.co.u … -live.html
Mar 27 13 04:12 pm  Link  Quote 
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AMDG Fine Arts
Posts: 10
Rockport, Massachusetts, US


Henley Photographic wrote:
[img] http://www.modelmayhem.com/portfolio/pic/32123144 [img/]

Illuminate bride and groom with a DIM tungsten light set low on the ground for the bridal dress, and then a second tungsten light for the bride and grooms faces (use a deep parabolic dish with a grid for this to get the distance you need.

The letters are done with sparklers, typically with a 10 second exposure, and the B set to the DIM tungsten lighting.

The kiss is held for at least two minutes, and you vary each exposure, and the people drawing out the letters continue drawing for the entire two minutes (which you capture 12 times, each 10 seconds long).

Mar 27 13 04:32 pm  Link  Quote 
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Toto Photo
Posts: 2,781
Belmont, California, US


Joseph William  wrote:
OK so I did a google image search

Hey, thanks for the links. Very helpful!

Mar 27 13 04:49 pm  Link  Quote 
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