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Jose Deida
Posts: 1,133
BLANDON, Pennsylvania, US


Apr 23 13 08:17 pm  Link  Quote 
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DBIphotography Toronto
Posts: 3,149
Toronto, Ontario, Canada


AVD AlphaDuctions wrote:
zivity is like FB except that people pay to like photos. yes, you heard me right.  and you can like more than once.

its good for photographers who like to tell a story, as you publish photosets instead of individual images. Porn isn't allowed, and each photoset is checked by zivity before approval. Nudity is not even a requirement.  I deliberately did not look at your port so i have no clue if it would work for you or not.

for me, its beer and pizza money every quarter for essentially zero work.

YMMV

EDIT. the main reason it benefits (other than that nice little check you get in the mail) is that it allows you to choose 20 images from a certain look or location (or more) and post them all as a story. there is no 'portfolio' and no limitation so you dont have to worry about "what goes in my port and what has to get nuked?".  If you have ever shot a sequence with a model walking from an open field into the woods then you have shot a set that could go on zivity.  how many 'likes' or votes you would get would depend on your creativity.  the focus is on the set rather than the individual image. the images in the sequence that dont work well they simply arent part of the set.

am I making sense?

Thanks, man. I was curious, and had the *general idea'r, but ppl who spoke of it were mostly non-members referring to what they "heard" hmm

Ðanny
DBIphotography Toronto (Blog On Site) 
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Apr 24 13 02:46 pm  Link  Quote 
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ontherocks
Posts: 22,217
Salem, Oregon, US


they don't allow sets where more than one person is identifiable nor can toys be in use but there's more than enough leg spreads and labia (and implied masturbation, not to mention implied sex with toy animals) to go around. not to mention the incentives that are provided directly by models to fans (those are supposed to follow the rules but i think some models push it to gain an advantage).

apparently the rules were determined by their relationship with their credit card processor.

AVD AlphaDuctions wrote:
Porn isn't allowed, and each photoset is checked by zivity before approval.

Apr 24 13 03:10 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Art of the nude
Posts: 11,781
Olivet, Michigan, US


Art of the nude wrote:
Some people buy several hundred votes a year.  Some don't.
Patrick Walberg wrote:
Really?  Several hundred votes?  You mean that some "fans" are spending hundreds pf dollars a year on the site?  Let's see ... if you have 100,000 members paying an average of $100 a year ... that's $10,000,000, correct?  Do they really pull in those numbers or is my math off?

For April (23 days), The top 20 vote buyers purchased 8100 votes, but it doesn't show how many total people bought votes.  Anyone purchasing less than 117 for April wouldn't show up on the list.

Apr 24 13 03:59 pm  Link  Quote 
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Patrick Walberg
Posts: 42,484
Salinas, California, US


Art of the nude wrote:

Art of the nude wrote:
Some people buy several hundred votes a year.  Some don't.

For April (23 days), The top 20 vote buyers purchased 8100 votes, but it doesn't show how many total people bought votes.  Anyone purchasing less than 117 for April wouldn't show up on the list.

Isn't it a $1 a vote?  Let's say the site is pulling in $25,000 a month then ... still far from a million a year.   On the flip side, as a small time solo owner without a large debt, I'd be thrilled with that kind of revenue.  Maybe they overestimated their ability to pull revenue?

Apr 24 13 04:09 pm  Link  Quote 
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ontherocks
Posts: 22,217
Salem, Oregon, US


so then if my math is right zivity got to keep $1,215 for those 8100 votes (the vote costs $1 but zivity only keeps 15%, the rest goes to the photographer and model).

but aren't some voters (especially some of the top ones) hidden by request? and they also get monthly subscription fees plus some money for individually unlocking sets.

Art of the nude wrote:
For April (23 days), The top 20 vote buyers purchased 8100 votes, but it doesn't show how many total people bought votes.  Anyone purchasing less than 117 for April wouldn't show up on the list.

Apr 24 13 04:27 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Art of the nude
Posts: 11,781
Olivet, Michigan, US


Patrick Walberg wrote:
Isn't it a $1 a vote?  Let's say the site is pulling in $25,000 a month then ... still far from a million a year.   On the flip side, as a small time solo owner without a large debt, I'd be thrilled with that kind of revenue.  Maybe they overestimated their ability to pull revenue?

I have no idea how many people voted less than 117 times, or how many total votes it would be.  I looked at photographers for the last 30 days, and 20 of them got a total of 8500 votes, with the least making the list getting 210.  I thought someone said the total revenue was $20 million a year.  I was just showing that there ARE plenty of people who spend thousands of dollars there in a year, it's not just a hundred thousand people at $15/month.

Overall, it's certainly no way to get rich, but you can pick up a few bucks.  And, for models, there's pretty much no downside.  Photographers have to finish off more pictures from a "look" than most of us typically do, and might not get any great return from it, but models just do the shoot they would have.  If they choose to actively network, it greatly increases the chances of significant money, but all that's required is filling out a short form, and clicking yes for each set.

Apr 24 13 04:28 pm  Link  Quote 
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Art of the nude
Posts: 11,781
Olivet, Michigan, US


Art of the nude wrote:
For April (23 days), The top 20 vote buyers purchased 8100 votes, but it doesn't show how many total people bought votes.  Anyone purchasing less than 117 for April wouldn't show up on the list.
ontherocks wrote:
so then if my math is right zivity got to keep $1,215 for those 8100 votes (the vote costs $1 but zivity only keeps 15%, the rest goes to the photographer and model).

but aren't some voters (especially some of the top ones) hidden by request? and they also get monthly subscription fees plus some money for individually unlocking sets.

Honestly, I have no idea.  smile

I know that you get votes with payment of your monthly fee, but not enough to be relevant to a discussion of the people I was talking about.  As to whether someone can be hidden from that list, I don't know.  big_smile  I also don't know anything about "unlocking" a set.  I don't even know anything about "locking" my sets, doesn't that kinda defeat the purpose?

Apr 24 13 04:31 pm  Link  Quote 
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ontherocks
Posts: 22,217
Salem, Oregon, US


they had started a thing where a fan could purchase the right to view a single set for like $2. as an option to paying the monthly dues and being able to see all the sets.

Art of the nude wrote:
I also don't know anything about "unlocking" a set.  I don't even know anything about "locking" my sets, doesn't that kinda defeat the purpose?

Apr 24 13 04:36 pm  Link  Quote 
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Patrick Walberg
Posts: 42,484
Salinas, California, US


Art of the nude wrote:
I have no idea how many people voted less than 117 times, or how many total votes it would be.  I looked at photographers for the last 30 days, and 20 of them got a total of 8500 votes, with the least making the list getting 210.  I thought someone said the total revenue was $20 million a year.  I was just showing that there ARE plenty of people who spend thousands of dollars there in a year, it's not just a hundred thousand people at $15/month.

Overall, it's certainly no way to get rich, but you can pick up a few bucks.  And, for models, there's pretty much no downside.  Photographers have to finish off more pictures from a "look" than most of us typically do, and might not get any great return from it, but models just do the shoot they would have.  If they choose to actively network, it greatly increases the chances of significant money, but all that's required is filling out a short form, and clicking yes for each set.

There are members spending thousands a year????  yikes  Tell me who?   I can't help but doubt you.  I'd say that if photographers and models are making "pizza money" at $50 to $500 a check, then it's not likely that the website is doing much better either.

Look at a website like Modelmayhem with around a half million users.  Only about 1% participate in the forums, and perhaps 10% are using their accounts at all.  This is basically a free website!  I can assure you that there are not as many active users on Zivity as there are here.

So let's say you've got about 100,000 members on Zivity.  If you have 100k members on Zivity paying $100 a year average, then you'll reach your $10 million mark.  I don't think it's happening.   We're talking about $1 and $10 purchases at a time, not thousands of dollars.

Apr 24 13 04:45 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Art of the nude
Posts: 11,781
Olivet, Michigan, US


Patrick Walberg wrote:
There are members spending thousands a year????  yikes  Tell me who?   I can't help but doubt you.

Doesn't really matter if you doubt me.  It's real.  I've gotten about $100 in votes from one person, in a week or so, and I'm FAR from the most popular.  I've seen cases where one person voted 100, or even 500 times for a single set.

If you're a member,you can look up the total votes for the top people.

Apr 24 13 05:03 pm  Link  Quote 
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Art of the nude
Posts: 11,781
Olivet, Michigan, US


ontherocks wrote:
they had started a thing where a fan could purchase the right to view a single set for like $2. as an option to paying the monthly dues and being able to see all the sets.

How would you even know about the set if you're not a member?  I suppose, if I sent someone who isn't a member a link to a specific set, that might be relevant, but I thought it just forwarded them to the main page.

Apr 24 13 05:07 pm  Link  Quote 
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Patrick Walberg
Posts: 42,484
Salinas, California, US


Art of the nude wrote:
Doesn't really matter if you doubt me.  It's real.  I've gotten about $100 in votes from one person, in a week or so, and I'm FAR from the most popular.  I've seen cases where one person voted 100, or even 500 times for a single set.

If you're a member,you can look up the total votes for the top people.

Ok, so you've had one person pay $100 in "votes" but I'm sure that's the exception and not a usual occurrence.  It's still a far cry from reaching the $20 million mark.   Out of that $100 in votes. you get how much?

I can believe $1 million in revenue is possible, but if $20 million was the goal for that website, it is not likely to have succeeded.

Apr 24 13 06:16 pm  Link  Quote 
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Rick Edwards
Posts: 6,153
Wilmington, Delaware, US


Apr 24 13 07:24 pm  Link  Quote 
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Boho Hobo
Posts: 25,351
Portland, Oregon, US


Art of the nude wrote:

Doesn't really matter if you doubt me.  It's real.  I've gotten about $100 in votes from one person, in a week or so, and I'm FAR from the most popular.  I've seen cases where one person voted 100, or even 500 times for a single set.

If you're a member,you can look up the total votes for the top people.

I'm finding it hard to imagine why someone (or lots of someone's) are going to spend $500 just so someone they don't know, "wins."

I would believe it if this were an auction site and the bidder wins something, like a signed photo, sex with photographer and model, whatever.

But to drop $500 so that a set that they like but have no reference point or connection to?   It doesn't make sense to me.

Maybe this big ticket voters are Zivity sock puppets to help generate excitement, or even wins for sets they like.

Apr 24 13 07:44 pm  Link  Quote 
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Patrick Walberg
Posts: 42,484
Salinas, California, US


Patchouli Nyx wrote:
I'm finding it hard to imagine why someone (or lots of someone's) are going to spend $500 just so someone they don't know, "wins."

I would believe it if this were an auction site and the bidder wins something, like a signed photo, sex with photographer and model, whatever.

But to drop $500 so that a set that they like but have no reference point or connection to?   It doesn't make sense to me.

Maybe this big ticket voters are Zivity sock puppets to help generate excitement, or even wins for sets they like.

It makes absolutely no sense to me either.   The link above regarding the traffic does little to explain anything either ... as it's not that impressive.   It doesn't add up!

If I wasn't a photographer, and I were to want a particular "set" of a model, I'm sure that I could for example, approach you to produce such a set for me, correct?  You would do it for $500, right?  Maybe less?  As a photographer, I could find perhaps 5 models to shoot with me at $100 a piece?  Actually I am sure I could find 2 great models at $250 a piece!  So someone is buying votes in the amount of $500 or spends "thousands" voting on sets where they don't get anything more that the next member who could just as easily pay the subscription rate for the same content?

The thing that I don't like the push to sell "votes" as a way of making anything at all from the uploaded sets.  So the models & photographers get some recognition and pizza money?  What do the paying members get out of it?

Apr 24 13 11:34 pm  Link  Quote 
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NicoleNudes
Posts: 3,793
Toronto, Ontario, Canada


Patrick Walberg wrote:
What do the paying members get out of it?

they get to see boobs, lots and lots of boobs

Apr 24 13 11:54 pm  Link  Quote 
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Patrick Walberg
Posts: 42,484
Salinas, California, US


NicoleNudes wrote:
they get to see boobs, lots and lots of boobs

-sigh-  but I can see those for free.  I know how to use a camera and where to go on the net.  Boobs for free all over the place!   wink

Apr 25 13 12:17 am  Link  Quote 
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Boho Hobo
Posts: 25,351
Portland, Oregon, US


Patrick Walberg wrote:

It makes absolutely no sense to me either.   The link above regarding the traffic does little to explain anything either ... as it's not that impressive.   It doesn't add up!

If I wasn't a photographer, and I were to want a particular "set" of a model, I'm sure that I could for example, approach you to produce such a set for me, correct?  You would do it for $500, right?  Maybe less?  As a photographer, I could find perhaps 5 models to shoot with me at $100 a piece?  Actually I am sure I could find 2 great models at $250 a piece!  So someone is buying votes in the amount of $500 or spends "thousands" voting on sets where they don't get anything more that the next member who could just as easily pay the subscription rate for the same content?

The thing that I don't like the push to sell "votes" as a way of making anything at all from the uploaded sets.  So the models & photographers get some recognition and pizza money?  What do the paying members get out of it?

I have NO IDEA what a paying member gets out of buying votes.

I understand paying access for sets.  That's basically what SG and met art does, you get to look at a whole set of a model you have the hots for.

But why buy $500 of votes so that the model and photographer "win?"  Is this some huge exercise in transference or something?

are people hoping to establish a relationship with the model and photographer by basically post crowd sourcing their finished sets?

Apr 25 13 12:27 am  Link  Quote 
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glumpy
Posts: 516
Sydney, New South Wales, Australia


Patrick Walberg wrote:

-sigh-  but I can see those for free.  I know how to use a camera and where to go on the net.  Boobs for free all over the place!   wink

I don't get it either but I'm not saying it doesn't happen.

Over the years I have got paid to shoot some freaky shit and I have learned that The wealthier people are, the freakier the shit they are likely to be into.
I have also learned that people with money are also often bored and have a different outlook on things to people of more average means.

I remember years ago a friend coming back from Japan telling me about used girls underwear sold in vending machines on railway stations. It took confirmation by a few different people over some years before I actually believed that was real.
If people will pay for that, well I guess Zivity is a walk in the park in comparison.

Looking at the site, to me most of what I saw on the previews I thought was pretty sub standard. Think of it what you will but there is some bloody high quality porn out there where no effort has been spared in making the shots as high a quality as can be done.

Why people would pay to look at the crap on Zivity when there are other sites that offer better quality or the same' Home Grown" type material for free, is beyond my comprehension.

Apr 25 13 01:16 am  Link  Quote 
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Art of the nude
Posts: 11,781
Olivet, Michigan, US


Art of the nude wrote:
Doesn't really matter if you doubt me.  It's real.  I've gotten about $100 in votes from one person, in a week or so, and I'm FAR from the most popular.  I've seen cases where one person voted 100, or even 500 times for a single set.

If you're a member,you can look up the total votes for the top people.
Patchouli Nyx wrote:
I'm finding it hard to imagine why someone (or lots of someone's) are going to spend $500 just so someone they don't know, "wins."

I would believe it if this were an auction site and the bidder wins something, like a signed photo, sex with photographer and model, whatever.

But to drop $500 so that a set that they like but have no reference point or connection to?   It doesn't make sense to me.

Maybe this big ticket voters are Zivity sock puppets to help generate excitement, or even wins for sets they like.

What you can, or cannot, imagine, isn't really relevant.

It's not uncommon for there to be "incentives" beyond the normal incentive of a personal "thank you" message.  It would be a bad idea to underestimate the value of personal communication with the models though.  That has a lot of appeal to quite a few people.

Here, for example, is the incentive package for my work with Sky (Promoted by her, with my full approval; voters like the feeling of things coming from the model.)

I appreciate your votes! Here's what I would like to give my fans. These incentives apply to both "Sky in the woods" and "Sky in the barn," as well as my self-shot set "Hides in the Corner."

10 votes - 1 photo of your choice from the set
20 votes - 5 photos of your choice from the set
50 votes - all photos from the set
100 votes - signed 8x10 print of your choice plus a download of all photos from the set

As an extra "thank you," I will send a signed and personalized wallet-sized print to everyone who helps "Sky in the woods" win the New Model contest by voting 5 or more times, but only if it wins. The more you vote, the more likely it is to win, so please keep an eye on how well it's doing in the contest and do what you can. Let's see if we can win the new model contest together!

Apr 25 13 02:00 am  Link  Quote 
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Dekilah
Posts: 4,872
Detroit, Michigan, US


If I look at the leaderboards for the last 30 days, the top 10 models have the following vote amounts (placed on them):
1 - 1397
2 - 1369
3 - 1284
4 - 1179
5 - 803
6 - 762
7 - 690
8 - 641
9 - 638
10 - 605
Total: 9368

If I look further down the list the #11 thru #40 range from 573 to 124 votes for that time frame. And I will say that lately things have been a bit slower, I was pulling in about 400 votes a month last year, on average, though it did vary from quarter to quarter. This year I am average more like 400 votes a quarter. Part of that is because one of my higher voting fans left the site (I believe due to being too busy with health concerns). And part of it is because I have been slacking myself because I have been so busy and sick and all that. But numbers seem to be down somewhat on average from what I remember in the past.

Yes, there are fans that will drop 500+ votes on a set. They are relatively rare and this really only happens for a couple models, but there are fans who regularly vote 20 or 30 times on each set at least a handful of their favorite models put out. As in I have one fan that votes 30 times on every set I put out. I know he does something similar for at least a couple other models too. And then he has a favorite model he votes more for.

Sets entered in the New Model contest and in other vote based contests tend to get the higher votes because people want to help their favorite model win. Some of the models push pretty hard to get those votes too, sometimes coming pretty close to begging in their newsletter type messages on the site.

Yes, there is an unlock feature. Basically if someone does not have a subscription account on the site they can create a guest account (I think) and unlock a set for $2. Meaning they can view the whole set without having to subscribe or have a full account. The set also gets 2 votes from this.

And for those who want even more real numbers... I made over $2,500 last year with less than a solid effort for the last quarter and I am not one of the top models on the site (I usually range from the 20s to 30s, sometimes in the teens). So it is not full time job money, but I happily took it and will continue to do so ^_^
Apr 25 13 08:22 am  Link  Quote 
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ontherocks
Posts: 22,217
Salem, Oregon, US


i've been told about members who spent more than that. i guess it's just guys with some money to burn who like chatting with the models and helping them out. members also buy models things via their amazon wishlists. there are some guys who are into something called "financial domination"

Patrick Walberg wrote:
There are members spending thousands a year????  yikes  Tell me who?

Apr 25 13 08:31 am  Link  Quote 
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ontherocks
Posts: 22,217
Salem, Oregon, US


i think the fans do establish relationships (at least virtual ones) with the models. they get access to special incentives and they get attention from the model.

except maybe for a few top guys i haven't seen that it's really about the photographer. it's about access to the models.

for my part i buy small amounts of votes because i like to reward sets i think are worthy and my tastes are a little different from the norm (i'm not as much into the SG thing). it's hard being on the site every day and not voting.

Patchouli Nyx wrote:
are people hoping to establish a relationship with the model and photographer by basically post crowd sourcing their finished sets?

Apr 25 13 08:37 am  Link  Quote 
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ontherocks
Posts: 22,217
Salem, Oregon, US


there is definitely competition for the votes. some models really work it. tensions flare sometimes and a few even get kicked off the site because of it. this isn't my favorite part.

my sense is paying members are using votes as a way to gain access to the models (like being a VIP at a virtual strip club). they can view all the sets as part of their monthly dues but the way to gain access to the models is through voting. even us lowly photographers get some attention from the models. i chat with a lady in england who at age 50+ is still rocking it and picking up lots of votes.

for my part i think there's some great work being done (alongside the garden variety strip-tease sets). some of the photographers (especially the female ones) have excellent camera and lighting skills and ways of thinking about composing and framing shots and can really show that off more than you can on mayhem where maybe you post two shots from a session. some of the photographers also shoot for top men's magazines. our own Dekilah does some wonderful self-shot work.

Patrick Walberg wrote:
The thing that I don't like the push to sell "votes" as a way of making anything at all from the uploaded sets.  So the models & photographers get some recognition and pizza money?  What do the paying members get out of it?

Apr 25 13 08:43 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
JaneyGarnet
Posts: 85
Portland, Oregon, US


I don't know the English lady personally, but I think she's a really inspiring example of how a non-traditional model can carve out a good niche for herself. I wish I had that kind of marketing savvy.
Apr 25 13 04:21 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Justice Sommer
Posts: 27
SHERMAN OAKS, California, US


If anyone would like to check out Zivity for themselves, you can get a free 30 day trial by going to...

www.zivity.com/join/passcode

Use promo code ZIVITYLA

No credit card or payment information required
Jul 11 13 02:34 am  Link  Quote 
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Eye of the World
Posts: 745
Corvallis, Oregon, US


For those bashers who think "creatives" should be getting a better deal, if you (or anyone) can build a better mousetrap for selling their work, have at it. Or recommend a better existing alternative. Otherwise all the "I don't get it" and "why would anyone do that" type of comments just come across as whining and sour grapes. People spend tens of thousands of dollars (or time) on things I find worthless. So what, it is their time or money.
Jul 11 13 10:58 am  Link  Quote 
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Eyesso
Posts: 679
Ormond Beach, Florida, US


Zivity is a digital pimp for sexual eye candy. 

Do you think patrons pay for websites like that to sit and contemplate what it all means?     Facebook does a heck of a lot more, and it's FREE.  Model Mayhem does a lot for building careers, and it's FREE.  Zivity.....it is what it is, a paid website catering to a particular taste or appetite. 

Money doesn't grow on trees.
Jul 11 13 12:52 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Patrick Walberg
Posts: 42,484
Salinas, California, US


Eye of the World wrote:
For those bashers who think "creatives" should be getting a better deal, if you (or anyone) can build a better mousetrap for selling their work, have at it. Or recommend a better existing alternative. Otherwise all the "I don't get it" and "why would anyone do that" type of comments just come across as whining and sour grapes. People spend tens of thousands of dollars (or time) on things I find worthless. So what, it is their time or money.

I am working on building a website that combines much of the best things about zivity and modelmayhem among others.  It's just taking me a long time ... as there isn't another like it!  I'm sure I'm not the only one working on it.  wink

Jul 11 13 01:22 pm  Link  Quote 
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Eye of the World
Posts: 745
Corvallis, Oregon, US


Patrick Walberg wrote:
I am working on building a website that combines much of the best things about zivity and modelmayhem among others.  It's just taking me a long time ... as there isn't another like it!  I'm sure I'm not the only one working on it.  wink

When you get it done let me know!!

Jul 11 13 01:51 pm  Link  Quote 
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