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Model
Bobby Hodson
Posts: 2
Miami, Florida, US


Frustrating traits, certain poses you can't stand, nervous habits lets hear it...  (taking notes - curious if I've done some of them but the photographer was too nice to mention it to me)
Jul 09 13 08:21 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Stanley L Moore
Posts: 1,679
Houston, Texas, US


There are several things I hate about models.

I like to use hats as props and some models don't want to wear them because it messes up their hair. (I am cue ball bald and have no sympathy).

I have a model who is a fantastic poser but he does not take direction well because he thinks he knows best.

Fitness models and bodybuilders are usually extremely self critical. I show them the camera back often during my shoots and they say, "That pose makes me look fat." "My arms are too skinny." "My stomach looks bad, where are my abs." "I am holding water." "I'm depleted." One guy even told me that Muscle Dismorphia  was his middle name. LOL. When they are so negative about their appearance it brings me down and ruins the mood. I tell them 95% of American males would give their left nut to look like they do on their worst day.

Another thing I hate is the modern metrosexual look. Most of these guys shave every inch of their bodies, chest, armpits, crotch, everywhere. I think men shoud look like men and not prepubescent boys. I can live with judicious trimming but not shaved.

Pet Peeve: How long does it take to change clothes? I can understand women wanting to primp and preen but guys? Jeans and a tee shirt, underwear change, athletic gear should not take 10 minutes or more to put on, much less 15

Some models have such low body fat that they get chilled at 75 degrees. I am taking three meds that can cause excessive sweating so I like it on the cool side.

Last but not least, some guys don't look like their port pics. I flew a guy in from Florida and he was not as advertised. Male models: Keep your port up to date, PLEASE.

OTOH since I mostly do paid shoots they seldom flake and are on time. No dead grandmothers, sick pets, car breakdowns etc.

Many of my guys are so grateful to be earning easy  money that they are cooperative and undemanding. One positive.... they don't need smoke breaks. LOL.
Jul 09 13 08:50 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Cherrystone
Posts: 36,517
Columbus, Ohio, US


Wood
Jul 09 13 08:51 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Stanley L Moore
Posts: 1,679
Houston, Texas, US


Cherrystone wrote:
Wood

I agree... I get DQs from POTD because some of them are too obvious. But that is for MM, ordinarily I don't mind seeing non flaccid. Indeed some fluffing can improve a nude image.. It seldom happens probably because most of them are straight and I am an elderly overweight gay photographer. I don't do couple shoot either.

Jul 09 13 08:55 pm  Link  Quote 
Model
Bobby Hodson
Posts: 2
Miami, Florida, US


Stanley L Moore wrote:
There are several things I hate about models.

I like to use hats as props and some models don't want yo wear them because it messes up their hair. (I am cue ball bald and have no sympathy.

I have a model who is a fantastic poser but he does not take direction well because he thinks he knows best.

Fitness models and bodybuilders are usually extremely self critical. I show them the camera back often during my shoots and they say, "That pose makes me look fat." "My arms are too skinny." "My stomach looks bad, where are my abs." "I am holding water." "I'm depleted." One guy even told me that Muscle Dismorphia  was his middle name. LOL. When they are so negative about their appearance it brings me down and ruins the mood. I tell them 95% of American males would give their left nut to look like they do on their worst day.

Another thing I hate is the modern metrosexual look. Most of these guys shave every inch of their bodies, chest, armpits, crotch, everywhere. I think men shoud look like men and not prepubescent boys.

Pet Peeve: How long does it take to change clothes? I can understand women wanting to primp and preen but guys? Jeans and a tee shirt, underwear change, athletic gear should not take 10 minutes or more to put on, much less 15

Some models have such low body fat that they get chilled at 78 degrees. I am taking three meds that can cause excessive sweating so I like it on the cool side.

Last but not least, some guys don't look like their port pics. I flew a guy in from Florida and he was not as advertised. Male models: Keep your port up to date, PLEASE.

OTOH since I mostly do paid shoots they seldom flake and are on time. No dead grandmothers,sick pets, car breakdowns etc.

Many of my guys are grateful to be earning easy  money that they are cooperative and undemanding. One positive.... they don't need smoke breaks. LOL.

This response hit a homerun for me, thanks Stanley!!  Just the kind of insight I was looking for

Jul 09 13 08:55 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
AG_Boston
Posts: 345
Boston, Massachusetts, US


I stopped shooting with male models when one of them started sending me flirtations texts. Why he thought I went that way I have no clue.
Jul 11 13 02:12 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
L A U B E N H E I M E R
Posts: 8,633
Seattle, Washington, US


AG_Boston wrote:
I stopped shooting with male models when one of them started sending me flirtations texts. Why he thought I went that way I have no clue.

so who/what do you shoot now?

Jul 11 13 02:22 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
SPV Photo
Posts: 781
Las Vegas, Nevada, US


Cherrystone wrote:
Wood

You mean like construction-themed shoots?

wink

Jul 11 13 03:24 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Stanley L Moore
Posts: 1,679
Houston, Texas, US


AG_Boston wrote:
I stopped shooting with male models when one of them started sending me flirtations texts. Why he thought I went that way I have no clue.

Weird. I never got mash notes from a model. And at my age it is unlikely. About 30 years ago after our third shoot I asked a guy if he wanted to pose nude for me. He thought about it then said he would be uncomfortable being naked in front of a clothed photographer but he would do it if I would get naked too. LOL. I did it and it turned out nice.

About the same time I photographed a guy I thought was absolutely gorgeous and I hit on him. It is unprofessional but in this case it worked out because we have been partners together for the last 29 years.

All you had to do is tell him what was what. That should have discouraged him.
I bet unwelcome advances are rare for male photographers and male models. Most of the guys I photograph are straight. And the gay ones are young and handsome therefore not interested in a 64 year old oout of shape shutterbug.

Jul 11 13 06:31 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
AG_Boston
Posts: 345
Boston, Massachusetts, US


L A U B E N H E I M E R wrote:

so who/what do you shoot now?

I do a lot of stuff around the Boston area for charities. My work has been seen on the New England Aquarium website and I've done stuff for Special Olympics, and am setup to do shoots for Make-A-Wish Foundation. I've greatly reduced the number of shoots I do with models. Not just because of this one model, but because I like doing stuff which feels meaningful (I'm sorry if that offends anyone). I also do some stuff for various photo clubs I'm involved in.

Jul 11 13 09:18 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
AG_Boston
Posts: 345
Boston, Massachusetts, US


Stanley L Moore wrote:

Weird. I never got mash notes from a model. And at my age it is unlikely. About 30 years ago after our third shoot I asked a guy if he wanted to pose nude for me. He thought about it then said he would be uncomfortable being naked in front of a clothed photographer but he would do it if I would get naked too. LOL. I did it and it turned out nice.

About the same time I photographed a guy I thought was absolutely gorgeous and I hit on him. It is unprofessional but in this case it worked out because we have been partners together for the last 29 years.

All you had to do is tell him what was what. That should have discouraged him.
I bet unwelcome advances are rare for male photographers and male models. Most of the guys I photograph are straight. And the gay ones are young and handsome therefore not interested in a 64 year old oout of shape shutterbug.

It's happened to me more than once. Once with the mentioned male model, then once with someone I knew outside of the photography world. Why these guys think I'm gay is beyond me.

Jul 11 13 09:20 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
DBIphotography Toronto
Posts: 3,220
Toronto, Ontario, Canada


SPV Photo wrote:

You mean like construction-themed shoots?

wink

Uhmmmm.......nope. That thing that occasionally makes you do a hand-stand to take your morning-piss? That kinda 'wood' lol

Jul 12 13 02:45 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Untitled Photographer
Posts: 1,198
Dallas, Texas, US


I have never petted a male model's peeve, so no.
Jul 12 13 04:46 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
AJ_In_Atlanta
Posts: 12,774
Atlanta, Georgia, US


When they think men only need one expression.  Don't keep giving me one go to look every other frame, you need just as many as the girls smile
Jul 12 13 05:03 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Ronald N. Tan
Posts: 2,739
Los Angeles, California, US


Why can't people say "erect penis" or a "tumescent penis"? They are proper and correct phrases for "wood."
Jul 12 13 06:23 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Ronald N. Tan
Posts: 2,739
Los Angeles, California, US


My greatest concern is when male models shave their axillary hair, under their arms. Stanley pointed out that men should look like men and don't mind the needed manscaping and trimming.
Jul 12 13 06:25 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
NewBoldPhoto
Posts: 4,897
PORT MURRAY, New Jersey, US


Ronald Nyein Zaw Tan wrote:
Why can't people say "erect penis" or a "tumescent penis"? They are proper and correct phrases for "wood."

Why are male nude models so consumed by/with their penises?
Seriously- Dude- leave it alone... if I was looking for erect or semi-erect I would have discussed fluff- ing/ery well before the shoot. Trust me.

Jul 12 13 06:42 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
KonstantKarma
Posts: 2,513
Hickory, North Carolina, US


NewBoldPhoto wrote:

Why are male nude models so consumed by/with their penises?
Seriously- Dude- leave it alone... if I was looking for erect or semi-erect I would have discussed fluff- ing/ery well before the shoot. Trust me.

Nobody wants to look less than their full potential.

Jul 12 13 09:30 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Stanley L Moore
Posts: 1,679
Houston, Texas, US


Boys have long checked out others in lockerrooms for generations. Size does matter to some... make that most guys. It is a cultural thing. Classical Greeks thought a large penis was barbaric and tghey stretched their foreskins to cover the head. Look at statues and Greek vases. All penises are small.
Jul 12 13 11:46 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Kent Art Photography
Posts: 2,781
Ashford, England, United Kingdom


A vain male model is a very vain person.

But it must be remembered that male fitness models, at least, do put a lot of time and effort into maintaining their look, and they should be commended for that.
Jul 13 13 12:26 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Stanley L Moore
Posts: 1,679
Houston, Texas, US


Kent Art Photography wrote:
A vain male model is a very vain person.

But it must be remembered that male fitness models, at least, do put a lot of time and effort into maintaining their look, and they should be commended for that.

I must say most of mine have not been particularly vain. Instead they are too critical of their look. Fitness guys spend tons of money on supplements, gym memberships, special foods.... and lots of it. Some of them eat 3000-4000 calries per day of stuff like salmon, chicken breast, lean beef. That costs money. And you are right they put in huge effoorts trying to look their best.

Jul 13 13 01:19 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
B R U N E S C I
Posts: 25,319
Bath, England, United Kingdom


They're not girls.








Just my $0.02

Ciao
Stefano

www.stefanobrunesci.com
Jul 13 13 01:21 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Yugoboy
Posts: 77
Rochester, New York, US


Stanley L Moore wrote:
Boys have long checked out others in lockerrooms for generations. Size does matter to some... make that most guys. It is a cultural thing. Classical Greeks thought a large penis was barbaric and tghey stretched their foreskins to cover the head. Look at statues and Greek vases. All penises are small.

Oh thank God!

wink

Jul 13 13 01:24 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
MikesGems
Posts: 59
Erie, Pennsylvania, US


so far....   They don't show up!   I've tried to set up shoots with male models, or male and female models together, and when they find out they aren't going to get a date with the ladies they cancel!

I'm sure eventually it will work out, but I haven't had a male model show up for a shoot yet.
Jul 13 13 08:49 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Stanley L Moore
Posts: 1,679
Houston, Texas, US


MikesGems wrote:
so far....   They don't show up!   I've tried to set up shoots with male models, or male and female models together, and when they find out they aren't going to get a date with the ladies they cancel!

I'm sure eventually it will work out, but I haven't had a male model show up for a shoot yet.

Mine almost always show up. And they are not looking for a date from me smile
But then I usually pay them. I find it cuts down on the flake factor.

Jul 13 13 09:58 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Ali Choudhry Photo
Posts: 176
Brisbane, Queensland, Australia


I work with a fair bit of male nudes and my biggest pet peeve is when I ask for images/portfolio and they send me pictures of their penis... Am much more interested in face and musculature.
Jul 14 13 02:50 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Cherrystone
Posts: 36,517
Columbus, Ohio, US


Cherrystone wrote:
Wood

Ronald Nyein Zaw Tan wrote:
Why can't people say "erect penis" or a "tumescent penis"? They are proper and correct phrases for "wood."

roll

I got nuthin'

Jul 14 13 02:55 am  Link  Quote 
Model
Vinny
Posts: 95
Harrisburg, Pennsylvania, US


Why do so many male models with issues ruin it for the rest of us who are serious about what we do?

I know, that was very off-topic....but....it bothers me nonetheless, especially when I read threads like this.
Jul 16 13 07:10 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Greg Parke Photography
Posts: 27
Calgary, Alberta, Canada


Pet Peeves are the same for male as with the female

Don't give me one expression or pose continuously, it gets boring a old real fast.

NO CELL PHONES, don't take calls, don't check your texts, or anything, when/if we take a brake, then you can. Or if you have told me prior to starting to shoot that you are expecting an important phone call, then you may.

Don't act like you know everything or you're better then me/anyone else that is there, or that I have worked with, or worked for, we're all equals, no one is better then anyone else.

Take direction and don't talk back if I give you direction. I had one model that had a perfect pose, but just the direction she posed was just slightly off to my lights, I asked her to turn just slightly and she expected me to reposition all my lights, rather then her turn about 3 inches.

And lastly, if you piss me off, and I tell you that the shoot is over, don't stand around an argue it, that will not put me in a better mood, and will only piss me off more. If I tell you the shoot is over and to leave, get your shit and get out.
Jul 21 13 10:07 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
DAVfoto
Posts: 2,324
New York, New York, US


Trying to hard to pose.. body isn't in shape, talks too much on set.

About all I can think of. I do shoot a bit with men but shoot more beauty with women. 

It's good for photographers to shoot both good if they want to be considered for good jobs.
Jul 21 13 10:09 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
IrisSwope
Posts: 14,847
Dallas, Texas, US


The hand on the chin, and eyebrows raised pose. I despise it.
Jul 21 13 01:37 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Mystic Flow Studios
Posts: 402
Hilo, Hawaii, US


That Italian Guy wrote:
They're not girls.

+1

and I just hate it when they miss the toilet and pee on the floor!

. . . but solved that by having males use the outside toilet.

Jul 22 13 11:07 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
PhantomShots
Posts: 68
Sandy Springs, Georgia, US


Vinny  wrote:
Why do so many male models with issues ruin it for the rest of us who are serious about what we do?

I know, that was very off-topic....but....it bothers me nonetheless, especially when I read threads like this.

Smaller pool of people means the actions of a few look bigger.

Oct 16 13 12:09 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Ali Choudhry Photo
Posts: 176
Brisbane, Queensland, Australia


Posing or facial expressions that are stiff for lack of better word.
I started shooting dancers recently and I don't think I can go back to shooting non-dancers. sad
Oct 16 13 02:07 am  Link  Quote 
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