GER Photography wrote:
Just another butthurt GWC!!

That's the thing, he didn't seem like a GWC! He does photography for a living and knew what he was doing. I just can't wrap my mind around how he was able to be so unprofessional??

LizTess wrote:
Now he's sending me messages saying I didn't give him images he could use so he does not want to work on them for me because they wouldn't benefit him. Of course, he should have told me that weeks ago. But regardless, I said if he is unhappy with the images I would be glad to go to him and shoot again hopefully so he could get the images he wants. He responded by saying he has plenty of other models to work with... And that he may or may not get me my images, depending on if he has time. He seems to be attempting to threaten me into going out with him. I'm really not sure what to make of this.

Yup.

Pure and utter butthurt at it's best. He's just bitter that you don't want to go out with him.

Let it go, you'll never see images from that shoot.
Work on shooting with more professional and not childish people.

LizTess wrote:
Now he's sending me messages saying I didn't give him images he could use so he does not want to work on them for me because they wouldn't benefit him.

Sour grapes!

LizTess wrote:
I said if he is unhappy with the images I would be glad to go to him and shoot again hopefully so he could get the images he wants.

You really aren't serious are you?

LizTess wrote:

That's the thing, he didn't seem like a GWC! He does photography for a living and knew what he was doing. I just can't wrap my mind around how he was able to be so unprofessional??

Just because someone is good at something doesn't mean they're not a jerk.

GER Photography wrote:
Just another butthurt GWC!!

LizTess wrote:
That's the thing, he didn't seem like a GWC! He does photography for a living and knew what he was doing. I just can't wrap my mind around how he was able to be so unprofessional??

"GWC" has nothing to do with his ability, it has to do with his motivation.

Mark Salo wrote:

LizTess wrote:
Now he's sending me messages saying I didn't give him images he could use so he does not want to work on them for me because they wouldn't benefit him.

Sour grapes!


You really aren't serious are you?

I have a habit of being a bit too nice... I also like to keep people I work with satisfied, and have a shoot be mutually beneficial. And I'd rather not piss anyone off, if I can avoid it.

NicoleNudes wrote:

Just because someone is good at something doesn't mean they're not a jerk.

You pose a very valid point, sadly.

Dark Shadows wrote:
In my opinion it's not uncommon for men to interpret friendliness as flirting. It's not necessarily something that effects models in particular. I view it as something that can happen to any woman.

I wouldn't expect images back, and I wouldn't try to reshoot (what for?).

Just move on. It's almost certain that the images are not 'so ridiculously good' that they are worth the hassle; any hassle. You can easily find someone else to work with, and that's what you should do.

You're right. Now the question of whether or not there is a way to prevent this from happening again exists. Do I just not be friendly? Or did I just get a "lemon" photographer and this has nothing to do with me?

LizTess wrote:
Now he's sending me messages saying I didn't give him images he could use so he does not want to work on them for me because they wouldn't benefit him. Of course, he should have told me that weeks ago. But regardless, I said if he is unhappy with the images I would be glad to go to him and shoot again hopefully so he could get the images he wants. He responded by saying he has plenty of other models to work with... And that he may or may not get me my images, depending on if he has time. He seems to be attempting to threaten me into going out with him. I'm really not sure what to make of this.

pathetic.

I have worked with models before and not gotten any images that I liked; yet I took the time to edit at least a few and send them to them because that is the professional thing to do when you do a trade shoot!

He's definitely just butt-hurt & unprofessional.

I say just forget about the photos and end all contact with him.

LizTess wrote:

You're right. Now the question of whether or not there is a way to prevent this from happening again exists. Do I just not be friendly? Or did I just get a "lemon" photographer and this has nothing to do with me?

It probably has nothing to do with you. Of course you should be friendly, though perhaps try not to be flirty with a photographer you're shooting with. He's probably just a little bit of a creep. I wouldn't worry too much about it. I doubt it will happen again or be a common occurrence.

LizTess wrote:
You're right. Now the question of whether or not there is a way to prevent this from happening again exists. Do I just not be friendly? Or did I just get a "lemon" photographer and this has nothing to do with me?

This is a hard question to answer without knowing you personally. There are plenty of people who give mixed signals without realizing it e.g. constantly touching the other person when they talk but there are equally as many individuals who'll try to get in your pants with no more of a prompt then "hello".

My sincere suggestion is to just try and keep your communication professional without being cold and push pass this less than stellar experience.

Good luck!

Miss Photog wrote:

It probably has nothing to do with you. Of course you should be friendly, though perhaps try not to be flirty with a photographer you're shooting with. He's probably just a little bit of a creep. I wouldn't worry too much about it. I doubt it will happen again or be a common occurrence.

I'm ending contact with him. The interesting thing is, I brought a male escort along (the photographer agreed to it) and informed the photographer that I HAVE A BOYFRIEND.

Also, as a general update on the situation, the photographer just told me I "use my looks to get people to do what I want" and That he "doesnt want to help a person like me."

Sorry I'm using this forum to rant, I'm just confused and frustrated by this situation.

LizTess wrote:
He seems to be attempting to threaten me into going out with him. I'm really not sure what to make of this.

I don't know -- it sounds to me like you're pretty sure what to make of it, but you can't believe he's actually acting this way.

And I think you're probably right. Here's the thing: You're very pretty, and young, and (by your account) friendly, and some men get the hots over women like you and assume that the feeling is mutual. And then when they find out it isn't, they get angry and try to express that anger in some way. I'm guessing he feels humiliated to learn that he's not as much in control of the situation as he thought he was.

There's a word for this kind of behavior. Actually, more than one: The first two that come to mind are "boorish" and "immature." Most likely, the best thing you can do is walk away. There are plenty of other photographers out there.

LizTess wrote:
You're right. Now the question of whether or not there is a way to prevent this from happening again exists. Do I just not be friendly? Or did I just get a "lemon" photographer and this has nothing to do with me?

No, there is no way to prevent it. There are too many variables to consider. Friendly is also a subjective term. You can be friendly verbally by being chatty for example, but there are also girls that are friendly in more physical ways, and even so they are not trying to be flirtatious.

Weighing the benefits against the cons, it's my opinion that in the long-term you will do better by remaining friendly. However, you can still succeed as a model even if you are 'cold and strictly business', as there are many with that attitude who do reasonably well.

LizTess wrote:
You're right. Now the question of whether or not there is a way to prevent this from happening again exists. Do I just not be friendly? Or did I just get a "lemon" photographer and this has nothing to do with me?

Of course you should be friendly. And if someone interprets that as a possible romantic interest, you can say something like "Oh that's really sweet of you, and I'm flattered; but I already have a boyfriend." Either he drops it after that or he doesn't. If he doesn't, walk.

--This suggests to me that you might have flirted with him a little too much...
We all know what guys are like-- in their brain everything always leads to sex. In the future just be very careful about "being too nice."

LizTess wrote:
I have a habit of being a bit too nice... I also like to keep people I work with satisfied, and have a shoot be mutually beneficial. And I'd rather not piss anyone off, if I can avoid it.

I would rather work with people who are nice.

You did just fine.


There's nothing wrong with two consenting adults asking each other out for a date, but he didn't do too well with the polite rejection.

That's no fault of yours. Nothing to feel guilty about. If you succumb to his temper tantrums, then he is manipulating you. That part is not good.

Water under the bridge. Move on.

Click Hamilton wrote:

I would rather work with people who are nice.

You did just fine.


There's nothing wrong with two consenting adults asking each other out for a date, but he didn't do too well with the polite rejection.

That's no fault of yours. Nothing to feel guilty about. If you succumb to his temper tantrums, then he is manipulating you. That part is not good.

Water under the bridge. Move on.

------I think that pretty well sums it up.

LizTess wrote:
Now he's sending me messages saying I didn't give him images he could use so he does not want to work on them for me because they wouldn't benefit him. Of course, he should have told me that weeks ago. But regardless, I said if he is unhappy with the images I would be glad to go to him and shoot again hopefully so he could get the images he wants. He responded by saying he has plenty of other models to work with... And that he may or may not get me my images, depending on if he has time. He seems to be attempting to threaten me into going out with him. I'm really not sure what to make of this.

Just cut him lose and move on.

New Art Photo wrote:
I have a habit of being a bit too nice...

--This suggests to me that you might have flirted with him a little too much...
We all know what guys are like-- in their brain everything always leads to sex. In the future just be very careful about "being too nice."

I made it a point not to flirt. Didn't touch him, had a male escort... The most "flirtatious" I was with him (or any photographer) is asking how they are... Usually as a question right before asking about my pictures. Something along the lines of "hey [name of photographer here), how are you? Any update on my pictures? Thanks!"

By being "too nice" I mean in terms of keeping the photographer satisfied. I'll stay for hours after getting my own images right if they didn't get what they were looking for.