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Retoucher
Pictus
Posts: 897
Teresópolis, Rio de Janeiro, Brazil


To better soft proof you need wide gamut, check for your self at iccview.

This graphic is sRGB x FOGRA39
http://i605.photobucket.com/albums/tt136/Pictus171/WEB%20stuff/Snap1fgr.png
Sep 02 13 06:26 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
ACPhotography
Posts: 8,571
Plainview, New York, US


Save up another 1000 and get yourself the 30" NEC! I love mine so much that as soon as I finish rearranging my office and desk I'm going to add a 2nd that's going to be swung and locked into portrait orientation.
Sep 02 13 06:28 am  Link  Quote 
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NapaDesignAssoc
Posts: 4
Napa, California, US


DougBPhoto wrote:
I thought I heard/read that those Dell's are only compatible with the X-rite i1DisplayPro, in which case, the ColorMunki seems like an odd suggestion, when it seems like their more expensive product is the one that works with that?

Both calibrators do the job. They share the same engine. The ColorMunki Display is automated whereas the i1DisplayPro is faster and customizable. Without a reference to what you thought you heard/read, it's not helpful. You can Google it or just read the product website. Here's Xrite's own answer: http://blog.xritephoto.com/?p=7918

Sep 02 13 06:45 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
LUNA_PHOTOGRAPHY
Posts: 242
Wilmington, North Carolina, US


Brick Wilson wrote:
I'm not saying that professional monitors are a ripoff in their own right. It's that a typical photographer or retoucher probably doesn't need one. You'll read a lot of people who champion them here, but in some cases the emperor has no clothes - they spent a lot of money and need to justify it. I find the benefits are illusory given that they're 4-10 times more expensive than a generic monitor.

1. Buying a wide gamut monitor by itself won't change what you see. Do you also have a pro 10 bit video card? Do you also have a calibration device? Without both of these things, an extremely expensive monitor will look exactly the same as a cheap one.

2. The image is the image whether you see it or not. You don't "lose" detail in the shadows with a standard monitor. You just get a dithered or blended image. Use the eyedropper on a color and get a value. If you know the values, you know exactly how your image will print.

3. Speaking of printing: it's the printer that already has the smaller much gamut, not the monitor. How many million extra colors you see is irrelevant if your printer can't print them.

4. And most importantly - who is your customer?

Are you sending your files straight to Fortune 500 corporate imaging headquarters, where exact color calibration is crucial? Then you might need a pro setup. Or are you sending JPGs to your model who will look at it on her iPhone? What really matters isn't how your image looks on your perfect setup, but how it looks to an average person on an average monitor. That's who's going to judge your work in most cases.

Totally agree.

Blue Cube here on Model Mayhem (Professional Printing Service) uses the Asus PA248Q which currently runs around $300. With his recommendation I ended up getting it. Awesome monitor! Perfect? No. Damn close though and my clients honestly don't care or even know if their pictures have a slightly less amount of red saturation on monitor than when printed or the greens are a tad warmer when printed compared to when viewing on monitor (just examples).

Sep 02 13 07:14 am  Link  Quote 
Retoucher
Pictus
Posts: 897
Teresópolis, Rio de Janeiro, Brazil


NapaDesignAssoc wrote:
Both calibrators do the job. They share the same engine. The ColorMunki Display is automated whereas the i1DisplayPro is faster and customizable. Without a reference to what you thought you heard/read, it's not helpful. You can Google it or just read the product website. Here's Xrite's own answer: http://blog.xritephoto.com/?p=7918

To calibrate the Dell U2413/U2713H/U3014 internal LUT, you need the i1Display Pro, see here.

Sep 02 13 07:27 am  Link  Quote 
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The Something Guy
Posts: 14,847
Cheltenham, England, United Kingdom


I had no idea that MM was reaching the planets across the universe as I see models with orange peel and green skin tones.

Or are some using TV's as monitors. MM goes Star Trek with alien skin.
Sep 02 13 10:07 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
NapaDesignAssoc
Posts: 4
Napa, California, US


Pictus wrote:
To calibrate the Dell U2413/U2713H/U3014 internal LUT, you need the i1Display Pro, see here.

To fit his budget of $1000, original comment was to buy two U2410 and ColorMunki. But going with the U2413 or above, the i1Display Pro is the way.

Sep 02 13 11:01 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
DougBPhoto
Posts: 37,082
Portland, Oregon, US


Post hidden on Sep 03, 2013 03:01 pm
Reason: violates rules
Comments:
Address the issue, not the individual.
Being rude and unhelpful while calling another rude and unhelpful is rude and unhelpful.
Sep 02 13 11:46 am  Link 
Photographer
DougBPhoto
Posts: 37,082
Portland, Oregon, US


Zarihs wrote:
Dell UltraSharp U2713H 27-inch Widescreen.
$999.99

Hopefully that will work well, just ordered one for $899 with 2-day shipping included.

Needed to go through a rep/agent to get that price adjustment.

Sep 03 13 11:26 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Crack The Sky
Posts: 335
Melbourne, Victoria, Australia


DougBPhoto wrote:

Hopefully that will work well, just ordered one for $899 with 2-day shipping included.

Needed to go through a rep/agent to get that price adjustment.

Good to see someone putting some money down smile

Im just waiting for my pay this month then ill be immediately spending it on a montior.

Let us know how it is when you get it.

Sep 04 13 01:28 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
DougBPhoto
Posts: 37,082
Portland, Oregon, US


DougBPhoto wrote:
I thought I heard/read that those Dell's (edit: the new U2413 and U2713H) are only compatible with the X-rite i1DisplayPro, in which case, the ColorMunki seems like an odd suggestion, when it seems like their more expensive product is the one that works with that?
NapaDesignAssoc wrote:
Both calibrators do the job. They share the same engine. The ColorMunki Display is automated whereas the i1DisplayPro is faster and customizable. Without a reference to what you thought you heard/read, it's not helpful. You can Google it or just read the product website. Here's Xrite's own answer: http://blog.xritephoto.com/?p=7918

I was not questioning if the Munki does the job or not for you.

I had been reading the Dell web site (aka, the product web site) and the tftcentral site referenced above and both of them indicated that the i1DisplayPro was the ONLY device that was compatible with the u2413 that you referenced at the end of your post.

Thus, I was reasonably seeking to have that potential discrepancy elaborated upon, both for myself and anyone else considering the newer Dell monitors.

Yes, you mentioned the u2410, however those are old/discontinued and run about $649 each at Amazon, so nearly $1,300 for the two that you recommended, excluding the cost of the Munki.

Figuring that the OP was intending to ask about buying a NEW monitor (rather than a used one), it seemed likely that he would be considering current products, which are apparently NOT compatible with the Munki that you referenced.

Thus, my post asking for clarification about your recommendation, given what I'd read about the 2413 and 2713.

I realize you were upset (per your PM) that you somehow thought I was flaming your choice of gear, which was totally NOT the case.

My trying to make sure that information shared here is both clear and current is helpful and relevant to the thread, which is why I asked for clarification.  Others reading this thread may not have been aware of the potential incompatibility issue of the Munki with newer Dells.

It was rather unnecessary (and not very helpful) to tell me "You can Google it or just read the product website" when neither of those things answered my question in that there were indications that the current Dells are not compatible with that calibration device, something your xRite link does not discuss or elaborate on.

Sep 04 13 10:52 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
DougBPhoto
Posts: 37,082
Portland, Oregon, US


Hey, in case anyone is wondering, regarding the Dell monitor.

On Tuesday (9/3), I ordered the U2713H, with an estimated ship date of 9/4 and 2-day shipping.

Here we are 9/7, and not only do I not have the monitor, they have not even shipped it yet.

They are claiming it is back-ordered yet their web site is still showing it as shipping next business day.

Their response so far has been to repeatedly call me a liar, despite showing them screen shots clearly showing their indicated ship date.

Incredibly frustrating, especially when someone tells you one thing to get you interested and to get you to buy, and then they change it up after.
Sep 07 13 11:04 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
RacerXPhoto
Posts: 2,429
Brooklyn, New York, US


DougBPhoto wrote:

Sorry you are getting dicked around
But this cracks me up
What about Dell"s "award winning customer service" ?
The reply I get when I tell people who ask about buying Dell's is nothing special
I then explain Dell pays the companies who give them these "awards"

Sep 07 13 11:20 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
DougBPhoto
Posts: 37,082
Portland, Oregon, US


RacerXPhoto wrote:

Sorry you are getting dicked around
But this cracks me up
What about Dell"s "award winning customer service" ?
The reply I get when I tell people who ask about buying Dell's is nothing special
I then explain Dell pays the companies who give them these "awards"

I've had more rude customer service reps from them in the past week than in probably 8 years of dealing with them.

On the bright side, it looks like it finally shipped and should arrive tomorrow.

Sep 10 13 09:57 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
DougBPhoto
Posts: 37,082
Portland, Oregon, US


Robb Mann wrote:
Dell makes pretty good screens, they probably hit the top of the price/performance category.

If given $1000 for a new monitor, Id probably grab this: http://m.dell.com/mt/accessories.us.del … t_redirect

My u2713H arrived today.

I thought I would also note that I see that right now on the Dell site the price is at $849.99.

Sep 11 13 12:43 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Brooklyn Bridge Images
Posts: 8,776
Brooklyn, New York, US


DougBPhoto wrote:

I've had more rude customer service reps from them in the past week than in probably 8 years of dealing with them.

On the bright side, it looks like it finally shipped and should arrive tomorrow.

Sorry you had to go through Dell-Hell
The company is so over rated

Sep 11 13 12:51 pm  Link  Quote 
Retoucher
Pictus
Posts: 897
Teresópolis, Rio de Janeiro, Brazil


DougBPhoto wrote:
My u2713H arrived today.

Did the new U2713h satisfy your expectations?

Sep 12 13 10:34 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
DougBPhoto
Posts: 37,082
Portland, Oregon, US


Pictus wrote:

Did the new U2713h satisfy your expectations?

I still need to play with it a lot more, and I am going to have a steep learning curve to know how to really get the most out of it and ensure wysiwyg but so far, yes, I am pretty happy with it.

They are adjusting/correcting the price for me due to their pricing change.

My biggest issue at this point is I would like to put it on an articulating arm or something taller than the base (but not too tall) but they all seem to want to clamp onto the edge of a desk or a hole through a desk.

Sep 12 13 10:49 am  Link  Quote 
Retoucher
pixel dimension ilusion
Posts: 1,181
Brussels, Brussels, Belgium


calibrate ur screen an u be fine, cause u might buy the best screen and if it not calibrated ur blind , u mighy see brown for red lolzzzz
Sep 12 13 11:10 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
DougBPhoto
Posts: 37,082
Portland, Oregon, US


pixel dimension ilusion wrote:
calibrate ur screen an u be fine, cause u might buy the best screen and if it not calibrated ur blind , u mighy see brown for red lolzzzz

For those of us who are colorblind, we can calibrate our screen and still might see brown for red tongue

Ultimately, the main thing I was concerned about is having something where I can be positive that I'm having an accurate representation of density and contrast.

So many people take being able to accurately see colors for granted.

Sep 12 13 12:36 pm  Link  Quote 
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