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Alannah The Stylist
Posts: 1550
Los Angeles, California, US
Mnemosyne Photography wrote:
Mariam Mariamti wrote:
blah blah blah nonsense
...if you are pretty you should have only equally pretty or prettier friends. Unattractive women do HORRIBLE things to their attractive friends, even put their lives at risk, back stab like crazy, just because they are jealous. Scarcity corrupts. Your logic is horribly flawed. You said unattractive people do horrible things to their friends. Yet advocate having prettier friends, which means you in effect, become the unattractive one.
Your suggestion for better friendships, is to be the nottie, in a group of hotties.
You're kidding me right? Is that why attractive people get plastic surgery as they get older? Is that why the pretty girls spend hours doing their hair and make up, and picking the right clothes?
Your understanding of basic human psychology is lul worthy.
I hate to break it to you, but something I learned really early, was the more attractive you are, the more deceitful you are, if an only if your looks matter to you. And if you're pretty, they matter. A lot.
Now, that doesn't mean pretty girls are by default shady. Just means if trivial things like looks and material possessions are the only thing they care about, they will be shady. I have seen some stunningly beautiful women, who don't even realize they are, and they are some of the most caring, loyal people you would know. Because looks aren't their only driving force in life.
But YOUR logic, is just horribly flawed.
Have hotter friends so they won't screw you over? Even though you openly admitted that the unattractive people do horrible things? Makes me wonder what you've done to your hotter friends.
Seriously.
For example, lying about your age is something someone who worries about looks would do, or underage kids trying to get booze. No one else would do it. Agreed
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Camerosity
Posts: 5805
Saint Louis, Missouri, US
255 West wrote:
I've noticed that typically, the more attractive the woman, the more insecure she is.
If they don't think they're attractive, then what are they doing modeling?
Will you please explain this paradox? I agree that there are many very attractive and very insecure women, but I don't believe that's the cause and effect relationship you're looking for. I think the cause is not being beautiful. It's confusing physical beauty, which is temporary and fleeting, with the source and primary determining factor of one's value as a person.
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Rachel in GR
Posts: 1656
Grand Rapids, Michigan, US
LittleMissVivacious wrote:
I have also had a lot of experiences involving this subject, but I think while I was going to beauty school last December I had the worst of it.
I wore a pair of peep-toe heels when I was just starting (open toed shoes are against the rules) and the results ranged from having photos taken of me when I was unaware//posting them to a hate page about me, to getting called at about how there's ''no strippers allowed''.. Not to mention dead silence and hostile glares when I entered a room. Uhm. Seriously?
I'd like to know what world these people live in, if wearing peep-toed shoes=being a stripper. Full-on honesty here: I see women running around in burkas and hijab every day that I take the bus, and even THEY are wearing toe-revealing shoes.
People. I don't get them. >.
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DougBPhoto
Posts: 39248
Portland, Oregon, US
Rachel-Elise wrote:
Oh, honey, I've gotten the full spectrum of reactions and responses.
The funniest ones are when someone sees me in some sort of situation, and they've never met me before--for example, the sales girls when I went to try on wedding dresses--and they go on and on about how I "look like (I) could be a model."
I mean, there's no NOT-awkward way to either end or continue that conversation, and no way to know how they will respond, no matter what I do or don't say. x-P trying on wedding dresses?
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sospix
Posts: 23772
Orlando, Florida, US
While I'm certainly not a model, I can honestly say I hate everyone who's "prettier" than me . . . which, unfortunately means I havta hate EVERYONE . . .  SOS
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Dan OMell
Posts: 1415
Charlotte, North Carolina, US
Gianna Virginia wrote:
Have you ever lost friends or have been treated shitty for the way you look due to jealousy or intimidation? Especially by other women. not giving a hoot is the key! 
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just trying to be helpful. people over-think things too much. life is too short. ask them or kick them. you can always apologize later (jk)
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Rachel in GR
Posts: 1656
Grand Rapids, Michigan, US
DougBPhoto wrote:
trying on wedding dresses?
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DougBPhoto
Posts: 39248
Portland, Oregon, US
Rachel-Elise wrote:
xD someone needs to pay attention to the important details
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Dea and the Beast
Posts: 4796
Saint Petersburg, Florida, US
There is another side to this too... At the airport, tight jeans, high heels, nice top, etc...dude comes up to me and asks if I'm a dancer ( he said he's the ballet guru in ny, i can believe it or not, but the way he spoke and was dressee i don't think he was trying anything on..).. And then, buying a pack of gum, the check out girl looks at me, says OMG you're so tall and thin, you could be a model!  Thankies!
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Rachel in GR
Posts: 1656
Grand Rapids, Michigan, US
Eurocat wrote:
There is another side to this too...
At the airport, tight jeans, high heels, nice top, etc...dude comes up to me and asks if I'm a dancer ( he said he's the ballet guru in ny, i can believe it or not, but the way he spoke and was dressee i don't think he was trying anything on..)..
And then, buying a pack of gum, the check out girl looks at me, says OMG you're so tall and thin, you could be a model!
Thankies! If you happened to get Airport Guy's name, we can pretty easily find out if he IS NY's ballet guru...
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Rachel in GR
Posts: 1656
Grand Rapids, Michigan, US
DougBPhoto wrote:
someone needs to pay attention to the important details Hahaha, do you mean the detail that I was trying on wedding gowns? 
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DougBPhoto
Posts: 39248
Portland, Oregon, US
Rachel-Elise wrote:
Hahaha, do you mean the detail that I was trying on wedding gowns? For sure, that was it!! I mean, when women are trying on wedding gowns, they often have a wedding pending, thus one should judge that they are likely to be getting married.
I do love having you and Cat having people comment about should be a dancer or should be a model.. pretty funny when you know that if you reply they will think you're bullshitting them and they will want you to prove what they just said they can see you as doing.
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fsp
Posts: 3656
New York, New York, US
hahahahaha aren't models always judged by their looks? Let me see what she has in her port.. ?
OMFG!
What a pig!
NEXT!
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Rachel in GR
Posts: 1656
Grand Rapids, Michigan, US
DougBPhoto wrote:
For sure, that was it!! I mean, when women are trying on wedding gowns, they often have a wedding pending, thus one should judge that they are likely to be getting married.
I do love having you and Cat having people comment about should be a dancer or should be a model.. pretty funny when you know that if you reply they will think you're bullshitting them and they will want you to prove what they just said they can see you as doing. That stopped happening to me after I left high school, thank goodness. :-P
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Photographe
Posts: 2351
Bristol, England, United Kingdom
Gianna Virginia wrote:
Have you ever lost friends or have been treated shitty for the way you look due to jealousy or intimidation? Especially by other women. Is it for the way they look or for the incessant social media activities, constant discussion about their work, or simply the fact they don't appreciate the lives of "normal" women and have little in common, when they are moaning about what seems like a privilege to others?
I've watched models I know, overly proud, over-excited, completely starstruck, name-dropping and I couldn't blame the reaction of women around her. If the model is mature, level-headed and lets others promote her, she won't lose a single friend that was worth keeping. My 2 cents.
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TG pix
Posts: 12
Lake Havasu City, Arizona, US
Natalia_Taffarel wrote:
+1
I don't like the OP and I don't know how she looks like.
OP might not be your looks Wow! I can't believe you don't like someone you don't even know because she asked a question. Additionally, you do know what she looks like because he picture is right there. I don't think people should make snap judgements but I'm leaning towards not liking you.
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Jules NYC
Posts: 21617
New York, New York, US
In all fairness ~
I think people who are physically beautiful can fall privy to getting attention, etc. and use those advantages for egotism, etc. Is just merely asking the question succumb the OP to egotism?
It's a self-compliment. Hey, do you find that people are intimidated by your talent? I already imply that I am talented. Whether I am or not, it's a little assuming, yes/no? I think that is the rub with people feeling a little put off by the question.
I already replied to the question, but some people can find me good looking, others maybe not and well, maybe I'm just old and shit to some people ha ha.
I just got a nasty email from a former friend saying how my modeling stuff was superficial. Oh really? I make money doing this. I won't even begin to tell you how rude that was.
In a corporate environment, women can be mean. Younger and older women. The older women can be bitter, the younger women competitive. On that note and even separate from the outside shit, men AND women can get competitive when it comes to work/personal issues.
When I feel like shit and don't get enough sleep, I can look like dawn of the dead so I really don't have this issue. I've been told by a man that I thought was drop-dead gorgeous I look beautiful in the morning with no makeup.
Maybe he was full of crap, maybe not, but all this stuff is well, so stupid when it comes to loving a person. I do know I wouldn't want to be with someone who didn't think I was beautiful.
Bottom line for this question: Yes, other women can make it very difficult and assume bullshit for just looking at you. I find it equally as insulting to judge one's personality and heart by a mere question.
Something tells me the OP is not full of herself but I personally would never have started a thread on it. I also would never write a snarky response to this thread.
It's easy to be mean and not very attractive (which has nothing to do with physical beauty).
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DougBPhoto
Posts: 39248
Portland, Oregon, US
Jules NYC wrote:
Something tells me the OP is not full of herself but I personally would never have started a thread on it. That is the great thing about these forums, in that other people can start threads on things they find interesting and it does not really matter what we personally might have done.
If the thread is helpful to her or to anyone else then it is a positive thing, regardless of what either of us might have done.
I think it was expressed elsewhere in that it isn't just looks, but it is also how comfortable we are interacting with other people as personality and behavior have an impact over what we see as beautiful or not, and/or can change our opinions as we learn more.
Someone can be physically beautiful and that physical beauty becomes less so if the person is stuck up, arrogant, or otherwise unpersonable. Unfortunately, even someone being shy or quiet can be misinterpreted the wrong way, and folks wanting to strike back or hurt someone will use physical comments to wound as they are easier to come by.
Same is true that a great personality, or a fun/entertaining person can seem more attractive.
Oh well, we are complicated creatures, and unfortunately we have a bad habit of hurting others, sometimes intentionally, sometimes accidentally.
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Jules NYC
Posts: 21617
New York, New York, US
Great thing about the forums is we all have free speech.
The good, the bad and the ugly.
An opinion is an opinion and it comes from one person. Others may agree or not.
An understatement of the obvious.
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JM LA NYC
Posts: 481
New York, New York, US
Seriously ?
Our whole existence revolves around people making snap judgements based upon the way we present ourselves.
That's part of the job. Live with it, develop a thicker skin, or go cry in the corner. Because if you don't want clients to judge you, don't go to the castings. Hence, find another damn job.
.02 I'm not speaking about society, we are all brought up to think in generalizations. I'm talking about modeling, the focus of "model mayhem"
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Jules NYC
Posts: 21617
New York, New York, US
JM LA NYC wrote:
Seriously ?
Our whole existence revolves around people making snap judgements based upon the way we present ourselves.
That's part of the job. Live with it, develop a thicker skin, or go cry in the corner. Because if you don't want clients to judge you, don't go to the castings. Hence, find another damn job.
.02 I'm not speaking about society, we are all brought up to think in generalizations. I'm talking about modeling, the focus of "model mayhem" I agree.
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Dea and the Beast
Posts: 4796
Saint Petersburg, Florida, US
DougBPhoto wrote:
For sure, that was it!! I mean, when women are trying on wedding gowns, they often have a wedding pending, thus one should judge that they are likely to be getting married.
I do love having you and Cat having people comment about should be a dancer or should be a model.. pretty funny when you know that if you reply they will think you're bullshitting them and they will want you to prove what they just said they can see you as doing. Which is why i keep a plethora of my nekkid images on my cell so I can flash the non-believers
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Jules NYC
Posts: 21617
New York, New York, US
Eurocat wrote:
Which is why i keep a plethora of my nekkid images on my cell so I can flash the non-believers
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Bureau Form Guild
Posts: 1244
Scranton, Pennsylvania, US
Aren't all models judged on their looks just by being models?
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Jules NYC
Posts: 21617
New York, New York, US
Antediluvian Design wrote:
Aren't all models judged on their looks just by being models? Yes. I don't mention it unless someone else is a model/photographer.
Women can react in a rude manner.
Men can make assumptions.
Employers?
That's the kiss of death.
I say nothing. If they want to Google me, go for it.
I don't care.
When I got a job as an Art Director in Coronado a woman called me a bitch.
When I ate donuts a woman thought I puked every time after I ate.
Last job an older receptionist explained how she 'auditioned' at Ford (sure you did) and then went on to say that she thought women who worked as a model were much thinner than me.
All very fun stuff to discuss!
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Caperucita Roja
Posts: 11545
London, England, United Kingdom
See I read these things... and it makes me sort of glad I've been scared off of women enough to just stay in the shadows my friends (all male) never make me feel like crap, and most have been in my life for the better part of a decade. No one has the right to put another down like that...
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Jules NYC
Posts: 21617
New York, New York, US
I believe women can be great friends without being awful. I believe men can be great friends without wanting to pork you. A great friend and a great romantic is a boyfriend. I don't have many friends.
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Dea and the Beast
Posts: 4796
Saint Petersburg, Florida, US
Jules NYC wrote:
I believe women can be great friends without being awful.
I believe men can be great friends without wanting to pork you.
A great friend and a great romantic is a boyfriend.
I don't have many friends.
+1.
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Jules NYC
Posts: 21617
New York, New York, US
Eurocat wrote:
+1. ^^
Cool cat here
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Dea and the Beast
Posts: 4796
Saint Petersburg, Florida, US
Jules NYC wrote:
^^
Cool cat here We still have each other!
*Cry*flail*leanonyou.
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Jules NYC
Posts: 21617
New York, New York, US
Eurocat wrote:
We still have each other!
*Cry*flail*leanonyou.
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Goodbye4
Posts: 2532
Los Angeles, California, US
i've not really had that problem. My circle of friends is pretty small but they were all pretty supportive. Friends I made after modelling all thought it was cool too.
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Rickos808
Posts: 7
Honolulu, Hawaii, US
I thought this was a pretty interesting thread. I've done some modeling and I do bodybuilding and dress well, hold myself well. I'll tell you girls that guys act the same way to other guys. If they think you are their superior in the mating world, they try to knock you down (if they are insecure, which tons and tons are). I've had guys that I had considered close friends back stab etc. when women were around because (just my observation..could be an incorrect assumption) they didn't want to see women attracted to me and not them. It's a major ego thing and when people think their ego (external identity) is at risk they lash out visciously to try to protect it. Seeing this enough was a major eye opener for me and I have learned to spot and avoid those kinds of people like the plaugue. For me it was a learning thing because I used to be over weight, then got very lean and muscular and started dressing better etc. and everything changed.
Try looking up the halo effect. It's all 100% real and really interesting stuff. The better looking you are the more it applies....F&*ked up humanity...
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PaulHomsyPhotography
Posts: 131
Los Angeles, California, US
Mark C Smith wrote:
Pretty sure he's free to do so regardless of what your subject heading indicates. +1
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Magda Kulpinska
Posts: 688
Paris, Île-de-France, France
Lost friends? No.
Judged for the way I look? Hell yeah. Almost each job feels like that.
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T Pike
Posts: 43
Rushville, Illinois, US
Eurocat wrote:
Not so much as the occasional "did you see that?She's anorexic/ not weraing a bra (MAKE ME A FUCKING BRA THAT FITS AND ILL WEAR IT, YOU FUCKING PRUDE BITCHES), etc, etc.
Whatever.
What does bug me though, is when folks think i was somehow blessed with this...
Well, lemme tell yer all sommet:
It's not my good genes.
My entire family is obese, and I WORKED my way from.a size 12 to sizes 4 and 2.
It's not my "pretty" face.
It's the fucking 15k i have put into it, braces, nose job, etc.
It's not that i don't eat.
But i don't have to eat an entire weeks worth of food in two meals, you greedy bastards!
And It's not like i look.like this when I roll out of the hay in the afternoon, cause, let's be serious, ONLY Kim Kardashian does...or so I've been told.
No, I'm not a ballet dancer/natural/makeupwhatyouwill
I have a room full of mirrors to practice poses and dance in, and I do still edit my 1500 pix from.most shoots in order to.improve.
People who assume that there is Not a whole bunch of work going on, that somehow I got lucky doing this, without regard of the hungry/tired/cold/lonely irk me.
Lots. damn right!! love your attitude.
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my friends (all male) never make me feel like crap, and most have been in my life for the better part of a decade. 
