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K I C K H A M
Posts: 14,509
Los Angeles, California, US


That Italian Guy wrote:

Were any of them called Terry Richardson? You might have missed an opportunity there... wink

Although I heard a rumour that he prefers models to pay him with 'services rendered' rather than cash - lol!



Just my $0.02

Ciao
Stefano

www.stefanobrunesci.com

"Services rendered" are only worth upwards of $500?!?!?! 

=o

It HAS to be a better deal than that. Is a free kitten thrown in or something?


PS. I know I didn't make this clear, and it's about the photographer not the equipment and all that jazz, but I am speaking of people with no experience, skill, or understanding of light who bought a camera (or borrowed an old PnS from mommy) and now expect I should pay them, often with delusions of grandeur.

Sep 13 13 05:14 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Drunk Monkey Photo
Posts: 616
Lehigh Acres, Florida, US


FlirtynFun Photography wrote:

You were VERY clear...you have thousands of dollars of photo equipment

no not me, some photographers........i do this for a living....have never seen thousands of dollars......lol

Sep 13 13 07:27 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
PAULDO
Posts: 124
Garden Grove, California, US


wtf! this thread is epic.. it's all over the place..LMAO..
Sep 13 13 07:49 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
B R U N E S C I
Posts: 25,319
Bath, England, United Kingdom


K I C K H A M wrote:
It HAS to be a better deal than that. Is a free kitten thrown in or something?

Dunno - maybe they get to keep the towel as a souvenir?


borat




Ciao
Stefano

www.stefanobrunesci.com

Sep 14 13 02:13 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Adam J Caldwell
Posts: 289
London, England, United Kingdom


K I C K H A M wrote:

I think you'd be surprised.

I've gotten more than a few messages from photographers with point and shoots (or I hope to GOD they are point and shoots...) telling me I need to pay them $150-$500 to shoot with them so they can skyrocket me to stardom and help me kick off my modeling career.

One was nice enough to WAIVE the fee, and in exchange I get Gaussian blur, painted blue eyes and a jump start on my "molding" career. I thought it was nice. I've never had someone tell me I had potential for a career in molding.

You really should pursue the molding. I think you would make an excellent molder.

Sep 14 13 02:19 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Drew Smith Photography
Posts: 5,209
Nottingham, England, United Kingdom


K I C K H A M wrote:

I think you'd be surprised.

I've gotten more than a few messages from photographers with point and shoots (or I hope to GOD they are point and shoots...) telling me I need to pay them $150-$500 to shoot with them so they can skyrocket me to stardom and help me kick off my modeling career.

One was nice enough to WAIVE the fee, and in exchange I get Gaussian blur, painted blue eyes and a jump start on my "molding" career. I thought it was nice. I've never had someone tell me I had potential for a career in molding.

*Sends Kickham a PM with offer of making her famous + list of my equipment and its cost.

*Borrows P 'n' S from Mum.

Sep 14 13 02:48 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Ken Pegg
Posts: 1,826
Weymouth, England, United Kingdom


GD Whalen  wrote:
nothing amazes me

That's amazing!

Sep 14 13 02:50 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Will_DB
Posts: 246
Derby, England, United Kingdom


K I C K H A M wrote:
I've gotten more than a few messages from photographers with point and shoots (or I hope to GOD they are point and shoots...) telling me I need to pay them $150-$500 to shoot with them so they can skyrocket me to stardom and help me kick off my modeling career.

Wow I thought access to bewbies was compensation enough for those guys. Talk about wanting to have your cake and bury your face in it!

Sep 14 13 03:55 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
fullmetalphotographer
Posts: 2,687
Fresno, California, US


Drunk Monkey Photo wrote:
i think that i wasn't clear enough in my 1st post.
What i was trying to say is, it pretty bold of the model, who hasn't even invested her time in building up a portfolio, but wanting paid AND the photos....thats what amazed me.
As far as the business side of this, i don't shoot for free very often, unless it's to shoot a new model on a tfp basis.

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8234/8512988916_8b94e48ee7.jpg
wile-e-coyote-falling-off-cliff by FullMetalPhotographer, on Flickr

I think you should stop while you are behind.
There is no way to save yourself here.

I always like the concept of negotiation. If it does not work walk away.

Sep 14 13 04:43 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Drunk Monkey Photo
Posts: 616
Lehigh Acres, Florida, US


fullmetalphotographer wrote:

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8234/8512988916_8b94e48ee7.jpg
wile-e-coyote-falling-off-cliff by FullMetalPhotographer, on Flickr

I think you should stop while you are behind.
There is no way to save yourself here.

I always like the concept of negotiation. If it does not work walk away.

nice

Sep 14 13 04:52 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
MesmerEyes Photography
Posts: 2,843
Tyler, Texas, US


Drew Smith Photography wrote:

*Sends Kickham a PM with offer of making her famous + list of my equipment and its cost.

*Borrows P 'n' S from Mum.

Dang you beat me to it. tongue

Sep 14 13 05:09 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Drunk Monkey Photo
Posts: 616
Lehigh Acres, Florida, US


never had any idea i would be roasted like this.......i guess i've been put in my place.....will crawl off to my hole now
Sep 14 13 03:46 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
SPND
Posts: 27
Minneapolis, Minnesota, US


46 Replies on this thread:

5 of them:
Understood what was said and responded accordingly.

28 of them:
Were just there.

13 of them:
Tell me you're more than likely to be a pain in the ass in real life encounters, for everyone around you. You take X amount of really simple information, spin it and twist all around and unleash a wave of ridiculous verbal pollution. What amazes me about all this is how there can be such a large collection of photographer nobody's, who think they're photographer somebody's. Even better is amount of common sense you people lack and some f'n how natural selection hasn't seized any of you jackals yet. Now the models  who think this way, drag your lazy ass down to the strip club if you want that kind of money for doing something that reflects your inability to do anything else in life. Everyone wins, except your parents.

Out of all the photographers on this thread, only one of you puts out really dope shit. 

Fire away with your idiot talk from idiot thoughts!
Nov 14 13 01:38 am  Link  Quote 
Model
Danielle Reid
Posts: 3,857
Las Vegas, Nevada, US


SPND wrote:
46 Replies on this thread:

5 of them:
Understood what was said and responded accordingly.

28 of them:
Were just there.

13 of them:
Tell me you're more than likely to be a pain in the ass in real life encounters, for everyone around you. You take X amount of really simple information, spin it and twist all around and unleash a wave of ridiculous verbal pollution. What amazes me about all this is how there can be such a large collection of photographer nobody's, who think they're photographer somebody's. Even better is amount of common sense you people lack and some f'n how natural selection hasn't seized any of you jackals yet. Now the models  who think this way, drag your lazy ass down to the strip club if you want that kind of money for doing something that reflects your inability to do anything else in life. Everyone wins, except your parents.

Out of all the photographers on this thread, only one of you puts out really dope shit. 

Fire away with your idiot talk from idiot thoughts!

You bumped a 2 month old thread for your own personal rant?

Nov 14 13 01:53 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Snowmonkey Design
Posts: 4,633
London, England, United Kingdom


TaylorScott Photography wrote:

This is where you should have come back and said,

I understand you would like to get $50 an hour, but the project I am working on is limited and I would like to know if you would take $25 and hour and I will provide you with 20 (threw out a #) edited photos to use in your portfolio. I can guarantee that we could work for at least 2 to 3 hours.

If that model was needing money that bad, she might have jumped on your offer. I see this one model in my area and she is always posting in a casting call section and under compensation put ($250). I wrote her once and told her I would do the shoot and it would be about 3 hours long for what she was offering. She write back that she is looking for paid work and she would like to get $250 for an all day shoot, then I explained to her the rules.

She is still asking for $200 and $300 shoots and has just a little over 1 year and 4 months since she started modeling. Now she list herself as "experienced". Do not know if she is looking at the price as an hour or all day rate.

But to get back to your subject, if her looks are what you are wanting then you will either talk business or you will not, and if her portfolio has nothing but cell phone or self taken photos then I would either over look or offer a smaller rate and a few pictures.

My $0.02

Taylor

+1 this most sensible comment ...n I would add until your one of top 10 photographers on here or a renowned  photographer..you will always be in a situation where a model even with limited experience will expect pay...if you ever reach a point where your work is so amazingly hot that models beat at your door to work with you...then that would be great...but I imagine a top model such as Jourdan Dunn, n a top photographer such as Herb Ritz  would still both want pay...but then I guess the client picks up the tab so everybody happy. Hmm I can imagine a shoot off ..reach for your experience...so until your so experienced or until your work really sings out like Pavarotti ..you will be parting with spondulics ..it same for us all..                                   BTW i amazed someone can't  come up with an original name...smile n this monkey is not associated with any other monkeys of a similar name..n no animals were harmed in the making of this post ..smile

Nov 14 13 02:57 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Jerry Nemeth
Posts: 26,919
Dearborn, Michigan, US


I know which models should be paid.  That is why I am here in the desert now to shoot models.
Nov 14 13 03:32 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
B R U N E S C I
Posts: 25,319
Bath, England, United Kingdom


SPND wrote:
46 Replies on this thread:

5 of them:
Understood what was said and responded accordingly.

28 of them:
Were just there.

13 of them:
Tell me you're more than likely to be a pain in the ass in real life encounters

One of these totals just got incremented by your post.





Ciao
Stefano

www.stefanobrunesci.com

Nov 14 13 04:23 am  Link  Quote 
Model
JadeDRed
Posts: 5,319
London, England, United Kingdom


Drunk Monkey Photo wrote:
This industry never ceases to amaze me. The way people think. A photographer, spends thousands of dollars on cameras, lenses, lights, etc, pays rent and utilities on studio. Buys props, make-up and the like for a shoot. The in an effort to build his/her portfolio looks for new models to shoot, on this website and others....And the model who just started or has only a few shoots under their belt, tells the photographer that their rate is $50 an hour and they want copies of the shots...... I'm thinking have they lost their minds.......they should be paying the photographer....not the other way around..... always amazes me!

You think that's bad, you should see how many photographers I see, wanting to get paid for their work, and they're fat, middle-aged men, they don't have any make-up skills, don't spend any money on their hair, or time on their body, they think they should get paid for photography without any of that effort but when models want to get paid you know it doesn't work the other way round!

It's like they think modelling and photography are two completely different jobs with different skill sets and requirements!

Nov 14 13 05:07 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
RBM Photo
Posts: 557
Bellbrook, Ohio, US


Danielle Reid wrote:

You bumped a 2 month old thread for your own personal rant?

It's always fun when teenagers post.

Nov 14 13 05:25 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Caradoc
Posts: 19,525
Scottsdale, Arizona, US


Is it Thursday again?
Nov 14 13 08:03 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
K E E L I N G
Posts: 39,773
Peoria, Illinois, US


J O H N  A L L A N wrote:
MM is not the industry although there are certainly some industry people on here.

MM is more a get-rich-quick-scheme for pretty girls.

So is the Industry.  Organization and rules are the only differences between MM and "the Industry"... otherwise peoples motivations are the same.  "I'm pretty, I love attention, I want to cash in on it."

Nov 14 13 08:28 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
K E E L I N G
Posts: 39,773
Peoria, Illinois, US


FlirtynFun Photography wrote:
It never ceases to amaze me, that a photographer will spend thousands of dollars on equipment and will bitch and whine about spending a few hundred dollars hiring well established models to improve his/her portfolio.

I've met the OP, he's a good guy, and I also know he isn't afraid to spend a few hundred dollars on a model..... if it makes sense to do so.  That isn't what this thread is about, he's talking about when it DOESN'T make sense to do so.

Knowing the difference is very important.

Nov 14 13 08:31 am  Link  Quote 
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