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Photographer

PT Imaging

Posts: 6

Prince George, British Columbia, Canada

A Model of mine is concerned that images of her have shown up on Google search despite her privacy setting of Members only. It seems that if her images are listed, then the Google search engine can find them. Is there a solution for this besides removing the lists in question, or turning off listing altogether?

Mar 31 14 11:21 am Link

Photographer

Keith Allen Phillips

Posts: 3670

Santa Fe, New Mexico, US

Keep them off the internet entirely. Lists or no lists, members only or not, if they can be seen on the internet they have a way of showing up where you don't want them to. It sucks, but that's reality. Personally, I think it's not very wise to be in any photo that you wouldn't be comfortable with ANYONE seeing in the first place.

Mar 31 14 01:15 pm Link

Photographer

TMA Photo and Training

Posts: 1009

Lancaster, Pennsylvania, US

When the images are listed...they are brought onto the listers page im thinking. 

Maybe if the lister of the images does not have privacy set up also...then her pictures are now in the clear. 

Just a supposition.

Mar 31 14 02:07 pm Link

Photographer

Andrew Thomas Evans

Posts: 24079

Minneapolis, Minnesota, US

Keith Allen Phillips wrote:
Keep them off the internet entirely. Lists or no lists, members only or not, if they can be seen on the internet they have a way of showing up where you don't want them to. It sucks, but that's reality. Personally, I think it's not very wise to be in any photo that you wouldn't be comfortable with ANYONE seeing in the first place.

+1

Although lists seem to be picked up pretty well on google, but, all it would really take is someone on facebook or a blog and the person is outted. Gotta be careful these days!



Andrew Thomas Evans
www.andrewthomasevans.com

Mar 31 14 03:07 pm Link

Photographer

Solas

Posts: 10390

Toronto, Ontario, Canada

I've seen Google even indexing comments on facebook pages..i'd be surprised if much can hide completely from their robots. I'd keep it offline completely.

Mar 31 14 03:11 pm Link

Photographer

Mark Salo

Posts: 11725

Olney, Maryland, US

PT Imaging wrote:
A Model of mine is concerned that images of her have shown up on Google search despite her privacy setting of Members only. It seems that if her images are listed, then the Google search engine can find them. Is there a solution for this besides removing the lists in question, or turning off listing altogether?

She should not be using her real name on MM.  Sometimes I see that photographers have posted images using the model's real names.  This is difficult to control.

There are three places where she can set privacy parameters:
my stuff > settings > Hide Your 18+ Photos, Opt-out of lists, and Profile Privacy

ETA: If any lists show her real name, she can delete that listing.

Mar 31 14 03:38 pm Link

Photographer

RacerXPhoto

Posts: 2521

Brooklyn, New York, US

Privacy+Internet=Oxymoron

Mar 31 14 03:44 pm Link

Photographer

AJ_In_Atlanta

Posts: 13053

Atlanta, Georgia, US

RacerXPhoto wrote:
Privacy+Internet=Oxymoron

+1

Mar 31 14 03:48 pm Link

Photographer

Michael Kerrek

Posts: 1427

Orlando, Florida, US

It's on the internet, people are going to see it. The next best step to *try* and limit the exposure is not using her real name, then opting out of lists. Still, if she doesn't want the picture seen, she shouldn't be posing for it... there is no privacy on the internet.

Mar 31 14 03:58 pm Link

Photographer

DougBPhoto

Posts: 39248

Portland, Oregon, US

PT Imaging wrote:
A Model of mine is concerned that images of her have shown up on Google search despite her privacy setting of Members only. It seems that if her images are listed, then the Google search engine can find them. Is there a solution for this besides removing the lists in question, or turning off listing altogether?

No solution that I am aware of.

This has been brought up in the Site Related forum in the past, and I'm not sure if this is on MM's to-do list, but yes, this is another thing that should be fixed.

Mar 31 14 04:03 pm Link

Photographer

LightDreams

Posts: 4440

Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada

I'm guessing that the OP was referring to MM's private only setting, but just in case we're talking about someone's private website (with a "member only" section), Google WILL recognize files (or entire folders) defined as "do not index" in a "robots.txt" file.

Google (and other major search engines) will recognize these files as being "off limits" to what Google will publicly show in it's search results.

Mar 31 14 04:06 pm Link

Photographer

Art Silva

Posts: 10064

Santa Barbara, California, US

Unless you know anyone at Google that can "undo" the images in the search, I'm afraid you're Out of luck. Taking photos down on your end is futile. I have tagged images in Google search listing that have been long ago deleted off my page or other web presence.

Like they say, don't post if you don't want it out in cyberspace forever.

Mar 31 14 04:18 pm Link

Photographer

Patrick Walberg

Posts: 45198

San Juan Bautista, California, US

Don't want your pictures to show up on the Internet? 
Then don't post them on the Internet.  Simple as that!

Mar 31 14 04:21 pm Link

Photographer

Darren Brade

Posts: 3351

London, England, United Kingdom

PT Imaging wrote:
A Model of mine is concerned that images of her have shown up on Google search despite her privacy setting of Members only. It seems that if her images are listed, then the Google search engine can find them. Is there a solution for this besides removing the lists in question, or turning off listing altogether?

Just shows you how badly this site has been designed!

Try reporting it in the site related forum.

Mar 31 14 04:25 pm Link

Photographer

Andrew Thomas Evans

Posts: 24079

Minneapolis, Minnesota, US

Darren Brade wrote:
Just shows you how badly this site has been designed!

Try reporting it in the site related forum.

Yes and no.

let's say I had a coworker I didn't like and I found out she was on MM using a stage name. All it would take is me signing up and taking some crappy pics to get in as a photographer then finding her and listing her - or downloading the pics and posting them on a blog.

They wouldn't have to be up long to ruin her job.



Andrew Thomas Evans
www.andrewthomasevans.com

Mar 31 14 07:20 pm Link

Photographer

Darren Brade

Posts: 3351

London, England, United Kingdom

Andrew Thomas Evans wrote:
Yes and no.

let's say I had a coworker I didn't like and I found out she was on MM using a stage name. All it would take is me signing up and taking some crappy pics to get in as a photographer then finding her and listing her - or downloading the pics and posting them on a blog.

They wouldn't have to be up long to ruin her job.



Andrew Thomas Evans
www.andrewthomasevans.com

I don't dispute that but I think we are talking about privacy from different perspectives.

One would expect setting a flag to members-only would mean it should only be viewable to members only (yes even those that do what you described to become members) otherwise what is the point in having that "feature" on the website?

What the OP is describing is a web-bot with no profile, trawling the site and sharing images that are available to non-members.

If listing an image opens member-only images to non-members then this is a permissions failure on the website.

It's been a while, but if my memory serves me correctly the Google web-bots are pretty "respectful" of any coding that excludes files/folders.

I think many sites use a "members-only" approach to exclude automatic web-crawlers.

Apr 01 14 03:34 pm Link

Model

Astra Pure

Posts: 6

Cēsis, Cēsu, Latvia

I have an additional concern.  It appears that anyone who can see an image on any MM profile can download it using the usual 'right-click' and 'save as' procedure. 

I know that many will say that it is a consequence of the images being on the internet, but I do know that this procedure is disabled on a number of other photo-hosting sites. 

So, can I protect my MM profile so that none of my images can be downloaded?

Apr 04 14 04:22 pm Link

Photographer

Keith Allen Phillips

Posts: 3670

Santa Fe, New Mexico, US

Astra Pure wrote:
I have an additional concern.  It appears that anyone who can see an image on any MM profile can download it using the usual 'right-click' and 'save as' procedure. 

I know that many will say that it is a consequence of the images being on the internet, but I do know that this procedure is disabled on a number of other photo-hosting sites. 

So, can I protect my MM profile so that none of my images can be downloaded?

Disabling right-clicking does absolutely nothing to stop people from stealing your photos.

Apr 04 14 04:25 pm Link

Model

Astra Pure

Posts: 6

Cēsis, Cēsu, Latvia

Thanks for the comment.  I understand about disabling 'right-click' but that would deter most casual viewers.  Also, some other sites do seem to achieve the protection I was looking for by one means or another.  So, is there an easy solution for MM?

Apr 05 14 03:17 am Link

Photographer

Another Italian Guy

Posts: 3281

Bath, England, United Kingdom

I've already reported this is Site Related and it's the reason I've opted out of lists.

Images marked "M" are not visible in lists to non-members if you set the option to show "M" images to members only, but setting your profile to "Private" does not do the same thing for non-M images.






Just my $0.02 etc. etc.

Apr 05 14 03:26 am Link

Photographer

GSmithPhoto

Posts: 749

Alameda, California, US

Astra Pure wrote:
Thanks for the comment.  I understand about disabling 'right-click' but that would deter most casual viewers.  Also, some other sites do seem to achieve the protection I was looking for by one means or another.  So, is there an easy solution for MM?

The next level would involve HTML 5, and some CSS3 in order to create images in layers.  Make the top layer of an image in the stack (stacking) a simple white box with 0% opacity, and then it will be what they download, unless they have enough technical knowledge to be able to remove layers and copy/save the other layers in the displayed content.

Apr 05 14 03:27 am Link

Model

Astra Pure

Posts: 6

Cēsis, Cēsu, Latvia

Thanks again for the feedback.  I checked with a friend who is more IT-literate than me and the layers solution is a common approach.  Do we need to suggest this to the MM team, or has it already been included in the wish-list for future developments?

Apr 05 14 03:42 am Link

Photographer

Another Italian Guy

Posts: 3281

Bath, England, United Kingdom

Astra Pure wrote:
Thanks again for the feedback.  I checked with a friend who is more IT-literate than me and the layers solution is a common approach.  Do we need to suggest this to the MM team, or has it already been included in the wish-list for future developments?

Please, don't bother.

'Disabling' right-clicking has been discussed ad-nauseum here and the response, quite correctly, is that it's an utter waste of time. I can confidently predict it will never be scheduled for the dev team as they have many many many vastly more important problems to worry about!

/threadjack




Just my $0.02 etc. etc.

Apr 05 14 03:51 am Link

Photographer

DwLPhoto

Posts: 808

Palo Alto, California, US

lol wut


https://farm4.staticflickr.com/3823/13641598963_c4bb7776a1_b.jpg

Apr 05 14 04:47 am Link

Model

Astra Pure

Posts: 6

Cēsis, Cēsu, Latvia

Thanks again for the feedback.  I know that the issue has been discussed a lot on here.  I have read so many threads talking about privacy concerns.  Surely this has to be a priority.

Apr 05 14 07:05 am Link

Photographer

Another Italian Guy

Posts: 3281

Bath, England, United Kingdom

Astra Pure wrote:
Thanks again for the feedback.  I know that the issue has been discussed a lot on here.  I have read so many threads talking about privacy concerns.  Surely this has to be a priority.

The number one priority for the dev team at the moment is fixing the bug whereby people find themselves randomly logged into somebody else's account, with full access to all their private messages and everything!

Or at least that's what the Admins are telling us... big_smile





Just my $0.02 etc. etc.

Apr 05 14 07:14 am Link

Photographer

Keith Allen Phillips

Posts: 3670

Santa Fe, New Mexico, US

Astra Pure wrote:
Thanks again for the feedback.  I know that the issue has been discussed a lot on here.  I have read so many threads talking about privacy concerns.  Surely this has to be a priority.

Why would saving people from themselves be a priority? You've been told, it doesn't matter what you do, if it shows up on a screen it's as easy as pushing a button to copy. The simple, smart and ONLY reliable solution for your photos not to find their way all over the internet is to not post them online to begin with.

The owners of this site would be stupid to put an ounce of resources into this particular "problem".

Apr 05 14 09:20 am Link

Model

Astra Pure

Posts: 6

Cēsis, Cēsu, Latvia

Thank you again for your feedback - I do understand the opposite point of view. 

It is just such a shame that there is a general assumption that anything shown on the internet is there for anyone to do as they please with it.  I know that is a philosophical point, but we should provide basic protection to those who are not fully aware of the dangers. 

I will stop posting on this now - thank you for all the feedback.

Apr 05 14 09:33 am Link

Photographer

Ed Woodson Photo

Posts: 174

Savannah, Georgia, US

PT Imaging wrote:
A Model of mine is concerned that images of her have shown up on Google search despite her privacy setting of Members only. It seems that if her images are listed, then the Google search engine can find them. Is there a solution for this besides removing the lists in question, or turning off listing altogether?

Opt out of lists.  Both you and the models you work with have that option.

Apr 05 14 09:35 am Link

Model

Nat has a username

Posts: 3590

Oakland, California, US

Yeah... Anything you don't want on the Internet, should not be posted on the Internet. Anything I shoot I assume it will be on the Internet eventually, even if people say it is for portfolio only, private collection, or whatever else. I don't use my legal name, but it's still pretty easy for someone from my "real life" to find me naked on the Internet, but I don't see that as too much of an issue (yes, even if it happens to be friends/family/possible employers). If a model can't say the same, then it's time to think about how wise it is to model, especially when signing a model release at a shoot.

I do know quite a few art models who are purely non-photo models and do not even pose for reference photos, but even then if an artist makes a hyper realistic portrait of you, you can be recognized.

Apr 05 14 09:40 am Link

Photographer

Keith Allen Phillips

Posts: 3670

Santa Fe, New Mexico, US

Astra Pure wrote:
Thank you again for your feedback - I do understand the opposite point of view. 

It is just such a shame that there is a general assumption that anything shown on the internet is there for anyone to do as they please with it.  I know that is a philosophical point, but we should provide basic protection to those who are not fully aware of the dangers. 

I will stop posting on this now - thank you for all the feedback.

Please don't put words in my mouth. I would never say that just because something is on the internet that it "is there for anyone to do as they please with it". People need to be smart about what they put online and giving them some false sense of security with various approaches to image protection isn't doing them any favors.

Apr 05 14 09:49 am Link

Model

Astra Pure

Posts: 6

Cēsis, Cēsu, Latvia

Keith Allen Phillips wrote:
Please don't put words in my mouth. I would never say that just because something is on the internet that it "is there for anyone to do as they please with it". People need to be smart about what they put online and giving them some false sense of security with various approaches to image protection isn't doing them any favors.

I was not meaning you - it was a general comment.  Enough of this - enjoy your photography.  smile

Apr 05 14 09:55 am Link

Photographer

Sal W Hanna

Posts: 6686

Huntington Beach, California, US

There is no such thing as privacy online.

Apr 05 14 10:11 am Link

Photographer

rxz

Posts: 1091

Glen Ellyn, Illinois, US

RacerXPhoto wrote:
Privacy+Internet=Oxymoron

How about "Internet privacy" and do away with the + sign

Apr 05 14 10:23 am Link

Photographer

Rp-photo

Posts: 42711

Houston, Texas, US

For your own web site, you can do the following to keep images "under the radar":

In the robots.txt file, include the "Disallow" parameter for any directory that you don't want search engines to catalog, for example:

Disallow: /secret_directory/

In the .htaccess file, include the "- Indexes" parameter to prevent directory browsing, for example

Options Indexes FollowSymLinks Includes ALL -Indexes

However, you normally don't have this control over images on other domains. For example, I've had issues with models finding images on deviantART but never on my own site.

Your first line of defense is to only use the model's first name if they model under their real first and last names unless you know them very well. If you aren't certain if a first and last name is an alias or not, use just the first to be safe.

Apr 05 14 12:31 pm Link

Photographer

Rp-photo

Posts: 42711

Houston, Texas, US

Sal W Hanna wrote:
There is no such thing as privacy online.

Only acceptable relative privacy.

Apr 05 14 12:35 pm Link

Photographer

barepixels

Posts: 3195

San Diego, California, US

Astra Pure wrote:
Thanks again for the feedback.  I checked with a friend who is more IT-literate than me and the layers solution is a common approach.  Do we need to suggest this to the MM team, or has it already been included in the wish-list for future developments?

I vote no, jut more overhead that slow MM down. 

Do you see the print screen button on your keyboard?  All it take is for anyone to press that and copy whats on your screen and paste into photo editor.

here is another way to save any images on the web.  No mater what javascript or html codes they used to try to prevent to download

With FireFox

Menu -> Tools -> Page Info -> Media

All images display in a page are listed there.  Just scroll to find the right one and save.

If some none techy want to save your image all they have to do is ask Google how to.  Most does that

Apr 07 14 04:09 am Link