Forums > Photography Talk > is that 50/1.2 worth it?

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HarryL

Posts: 1668

Chicago, Illinois, US

I have both sold the 1.4 in any aspect the 1.2 is far Beyond what has been  compare  to.
Shooting w this lens it would teach you more about creativity than the technical aspect.
I thought many photogs are more in to point & shot. Not with lens. Anyway if someone is hot about this lens wouldn't seek advice. Rent one the rest is history Actually you can get results  from the 1.2 that you can't believe it was shot by you.

H

Jun 15 14 08:45 am Link

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Fred Greissing

Posts: 6427

Los Angeles, California, US

Canon 50mm 1.2L IMO is a low IQ lens.

It is not sharp or does it have good contrast.

Canon 50mm 1.2 L @ 1.2

https://media.the-digital-picture.com/Images/Lens-Tests/ISO-12233/Canon-EF-50mm-f-1.2-L-USM-Lens/Crop1/2008-08-18-22-01-49.jpg


Canon 50mm 1.2 @ 2 mid frame

https://media.the-digital-picture.com/Images/Lens-Tests/ISO-12233/Canon-EF-50mm-f-1.2-L-USM-Lens/Crop2/2008-08-18-22-05-04.jpg

Cromatic abberation is bad and Contrast/Sharpness is bad.

Sigma 50mm 1.4 ART @ 1.4

https://media.the-digital-picture.com/Images/Lens-Tests/ISO-12233/Sigma-50mm-f-1.4-DG-HSM-Art-Lens/Crop1/2014-04-14_08-19-59.jpg
Very nice but has LoCA issue very close to the focal plane.


Zeiss Otus 55mm 1.4 @ 1.4

https://media.the-digital-picture.com/Images/Lens-Tests/ISO-12233/Zeiss-Otus-55mm-f-1.4-Distagon-Lens/Crop1/2014-02-10_18-33-30.jpg


The best shallow depth of field lenses  for FF are IMO are the Zeiss Otus, The Zeiss 135mm f2 APO (best kens ever made for FF)

Zeiss 135mm 2 APO @ f2
https://media.the-digital-picture.com/Images/Lens-Tests/ISO-12233/Zeiss-135mm-f-2-Apo-Sonnar-Lens/Crop1/2014-01-23_14-12-00.jpg

The Olympus 50mm 1.2 or 1.4 have an interesting look but quite a few artifacts.

Jun 15 14 02:55 pm Link

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anahw69

Posts: 10

Portland, Oregon, US

I wanted to like this lens, but after 3 copies I gave up.  Focus shift was too much for me to handle.  I'm using medium format cameras now and prefer how these cameras handle depth of field.

Jun 21 14 10:21 pm Link

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Jakov Markovic

Posts: 1128

Belgrade, Central Serbia, Serbia

If you have to ask, no it isn't.

Bokeh is great tnx to the rounded aperture blades, but this is a specialty lens, and people need to get that already.

If bokeh is all you're after 9and not the actual ability to shoot in the dark), there are plenty of alternatives at similar focal range, or from other manufacturers.

I'd say: just get the 1.4. It is fine, much faster focusing.

Jun 21 14 10:51 pm Link

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HarryL

Posts: 1668

Chicago, Illinois, US

Fred Greissing wrote:
Canon 50mm 1.2L IMO is a low IQ lens.

It is not sharp or does it have good contrast.

Canon 50mm 1.2 L @ 1.2

https://media.the-digital-picture.com/Images/Lens-Tests/ISO-12233/Canon-EF-50mm-f-1.2-L-USM-Lens/Crop1/2008-08-18-22-01-49.jpg


Canon 50mm 1.2 @ 2 mid frame

https://media.the-digital-picture.com/Images/Lens-Tests/ISO-12233/Canon-EF-50mm-f-1.2-L-USM-Lens/Crop2/2008-08-18-22-05-04.jpg

Cromatic abberation is bad and Contrast/Sharpness is bad.

Sigma 50mm 1.4 ART @ 1.4

https://media.the-digital-picture.com/Images/Lens-Tests/ISO-12233/Sigma-50mm-f-1.4-DG-HSM-Art-Lens/Crop1/2014-04-14_08-19-59.jpg
Very nice but has LoCA issue very close to the focal plane.


Zeiss Otus 55mm 1.4 @ 1.4

https://media.the-digital-picture.com/Images/Lens-Tests/ISO-12233/Zeiss-Otus-55mm-f-1.4-Distagon-Lens/Crop1/2014-02-10_18-33-30.jpg


The best shallow depth of field lenses  for FF are IMO are the Zeiss Otus, The Zeiss 135mm f2 APO (best kens ever made for FF)

Zeiss 135mm 2 APO @ f2
https://media.the-digital-picture.com/Images/Lens-Tests/ISO-12233/Zeiss-135mm-f-2-Apo-Sonnar-Lens/Crop1/2014-01-23_14-12-00.jpg

The Olympus 50mm 1.2 or 1.4 have an interesting look but quite a few artifacts.

Fred besides other shootings I shoot w Vassanta in a hotel room No flash just the ambient lights. All I can say Its pure love. Actually shoot StephyC 90% no flash  its on Model Society! I'm not angered or bothered by your post.
Have you used? Have you spend time with?

Jun 21 14 11:00 pm Link

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HarryL

Posts: 1668

Chicago, Illinois, US

HarryL wrote:

Fred besides other shootings I shoot w Vassanta in a hotel room No flash just the ambient lights. All I can say Its pure love. Actually shoot StephyC 90% no flash  its on Model Society! I'm not angered or bothered by your post.
Have you used? Have you spend time with?

All I can say the love for  this lens isn't illusion  its on my back 24/7 Besides.  I do really carry the products that I'm talking... Never have to believe diagrams  Never BS anyone here  like many do:) Sorry for the Rant:)

Jun 21 14 11:13 pm Link

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HarryL

Posts: 1668

Chicago, Illinois, US

HarryL wrote:

All I can say the love for  this lens isn't illusion  its on my back 24/7 Besides.  I do really carry the products that I'm talking... Never have to believe diagrams  Never BS anyone here  like many do:) Sorry for the Rant:)

Just don't go far to Model Society. check this shots:

https://www.modelmayhem.com/portfolio/pic/36262961

https://www.modelmayhem.com/portfolio/pic/35581701

https://www.modelmayhem.com/portfolio/pic/35600581

Actually there is more surface noise from the Nik filter that the original image.

Fred, you got me this time.. I have been listen, listen, listen. listen, eh:)

Jun 21 14 11:33 pm Link

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PitchBlack

Posts: 120

Palm Beach, Florida, US

When I moved from Canon to Nikon a couple of years ago, I really missed my 50mm/1.2. The 85/1.2 I replaced with the superb Nikon 85/1.4g, so that wasn't a big deal, but all of the choices at ~50mm for Nikon kind of sucked. I even hated the 58/1.4g when it came out a few months ago, even though I was really hopeful.

But now I have the Sigma 50/1.4 Art lens and it's fantastic. I no longer miss my 50/1.2. If I were you I would definitely look into it. I think optically it's a much superior lens, though it doesn't have f1.2, which may or may not be a dealbreaker.

Jun 22 14 03:31 am Link

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PhotoPower

Posts: 1487

Elmsdale, Nova Scotia, Canada

B L ZeeBubb wrote:
A glance at the photos taken by the 1.2 and the 1.8 will quickly prove you incorrect. The 1.2 has smooth, beautiful out of focus areas. The 1.8 out of focus areas look a bit harsh and jittery. I will never own another Canon 50 1.8 for that reason, the bokeh from my vintage Pentax 50 1.4 is far more pleasing.

The nifty fifty is also difficult to manually focus!

Jun 22 14 04:38 am Link

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HarryL

Posts: 1668

Chicago, Illinois, US

PitchBlack wrote:
When I moved from Canon to Nikon a couple of years ago, I really missed my 50mm/1.2. The 85/1.2 I replaced with the superb Nikon 85/1.4g, so that wasn't a big deal, but all of the choices at ~50mm for Nikon kind of sucked. I even hated the 58/1.4g when it came out a few months ago, even though I was really hopeful.

But now I have the Sigma 50/1.4 Art lens and it's fantastic. I no longer miss my 50/1.2. If I were you I would definitely look into it. I think optically it's a much superior lens, though it doesn't have f1.2, which may or may not be a dealbreaker.

No offense I believe there is Attention Deficit Disorder:) you don't really said anything valuable
You didn't even see the samples. By the way by trade I have MS in mathematics Econometris statistics in modeling. Not bragging but it makes much easier to understand the complete techinical aspect also, what is capable  for. Since 2009 I read so much misleading information kind freak out In one instance photog bragging w samples but forgot maybe didn't know there is EXIF info. Instad of his beloving (canon 70 200 is )was showing 18-55. Any way why in this world you tell me to get the new Sigma 1.4 art  you also claim is optically isuperior:) besides that read some reviews about it. The 50 1.2 is truly the most condemned lens because it's is in the wrong hands  Probably that is the main reason. Truly sorry but after all  I doubt that you had 1.2  and the 85 1.2 you not the first neither the last:)  btw I will add more samples later.

Jun 22 14 06:42 am Link

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PitchBlack

Posts: 120

Palm Beach, Florida, US

HarryL wrote:

No offense I believe there is Attention Deficit Disorder:) you don't really said anything valuable
You didn't even see the samples. By the way by trade I have MS in mathematics Econometris statistics in modeling. Not bragging but it makes much easier to understand the complete techinical aspect also, what is capable  for. Since 2009 I read so much misleading information kind freak out In one instance photog bragging w samples but forgot maybe didn't know there is EXIF info. Instad of his beloving (canon 70 200 is )was showing 18-55. Any way why in this world you tell me to get the new Sigma 1.4 art  you also claim is optically isuperior:) besides that read some reviews about it. The 50 1.2 is truly the most condemned lens because it's is in the wrong hands  Probably that is the main reason. Truly sorry but after all  I doubt that you had 1.2  and the 85 1.2 you not the first neither the last:)  btw I will add more samples later.

Awww... I'm an idiot. How comforting. No, I own the 50/1.4A and I've done 4 full shoots with it and it's become my favorite lens, and I own a sack of really top-quality glass. I suppose "wrong hands" is a nice euphemism for "it won't take certain kinds of shots very well" like, for instance, wide open outside or any other instance where chromatic aberration is likely to happen.

Jun 22 14 02:12 pm Link

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HarryL

Posts: 1668

Chicago, Illinois, US

PitchBlack wrote:

Awww... I'm an idiot. How comforting. No, I own the 50/1.4A and I've done 4 full shoots with it and it's become my favorite lens, and I own a sack of really top-quality glass. I suppose "wrong hands" is a nice euphemism for "it won't take certain kinds of shots very well" like, for instance, wide open outside or any other instance where chromatic aberration is likely to happen.

Actually I replied w samples also No offense or bad judgment Its just a hot subject. I had the canon 1,4 I shoot very happily I did 90% of fashion event 2011 No flash just locations light appliance's most of the models they were in constant movements >all this is on Model Society port. Now when you mention to go with Sigma I really freak out smile I thought this guy seems totally ignorant:) (In a good way) The fact is I had to apply Glow filter just to tone down the details =Hand veins Feet all this include facial details. After a saw Fred's diagrams I thought that was way  impractical. But any way I never  brought second hand lens. I rent them and Its only me to decide not the diagram. For me dropping 2000 of 3000 for a piece of lens its not un usual but also a serious decision because I'm not reach I'm not a show man I use them:)

Please nothing serious against you or Fred's ....I'm very polite person Agues  sometimes I'm uncompassionated smilesmile

Also: I haven't update the Model Society port Because there is a bug Uploading
and the counter wont work. Its been that way for 40 days. Finally I  give up using it There is support but they couldn't figure it out yet:)

All the best

HL

Jun 22 14 08:15 pm Link

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Isaiah Brink

Posts: 2328

Charlotte, North Carolina, US

michael___ wrote:
I'm not terribly worried about the price. I'm more concerned about overusing shallow DOF if I were to get a lens this fast. I have a whole suite of cameras and I'm always tempted into purchasing speedster, but I can never justify a purchase. Right now I  have GAS and I'm thinking of getting a MF 50/1.2 lens, haha. I might just need to get it out of my system. Honestly, who hasn't been tempted?

My question, more precisely, is shallow DOF worth it?

That's really something you should be considering yourself.  I can only tell you if I'd buy one using my own standards, not your standards.  It looks like you know the pros and cons of the lens, so go from there.  Your money, your images, your standards, your decision.

Jun 22 14 09:47 pm Link

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PitchBlack

Posts: 120

Palm Beach, Florida, US

Honestly, I don't even really think there's a question here. You have to look at everything in context and the original post was about whether or not the lens was worth the asking price (currently about $1620). I've used this lens extensively, and I've used the Sigma 50/1.4 Art extensively now as well, and the Sigma is not only better, it's much better. Add to this the fact that the Sigma costs $670 less and hell no, the Canon isn't worth it for half a nearly unusable stop.

Let me put it this way... if the prices were reversed and the Canon were $950 and the Sigma were $1620, I would buy the Sigma. If the Canon were $500 and the Sigma were $2000, I'd buy the Sigma. If someone gave me the Canon, I would drop it in my bag and never, ever use it. Granted, I don't shoot Canon anymore, but if I did, I'd not buy this lens again.

Sure, a year ago I would have said it was worth it because all of the 50s out there were junk, but now there is some serious glass available and you don't have to worry about the expensive and temperamental 50/1.2.

This was shot at 1.4 and backlit shooting into the sun. It is super sharp, the bokeh is lovely and there is hardly a hint of chromatic aberration. The same shot with the 50/1.2 would be fuzzy and probably riddled with chromatic aberration... though the bokeh would be pretty.

https://farm3.staticflickr.com/2922/14189295188_5dc92f0cf1_z.jpg
larger size: https://farm3.staticflickr.com/2922/141 … 8dd7_o.jpg

Jun 23 14 02:02 am Link

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Jose Deida

Posts: 1293

Reading, Pennsylvania, US

HONY loves his smile
http://www.humansofnewyork.com/

and I love mine

https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7025/6659346133_2a11e52486_z.jpg051HP by josedeidaphotography, on Flickr
https://farm4.staticflickr.com/3777/12232206735_16caa12ac0_c.jpg_MG_9054 by josedeidaphotography, on Flickr

Jun 23 14 04:12 am Link

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Brooklyn Bridge Images

Posts: 13200

Brooklyn, New York, US

Jose Deida wrote:
and I love mine

Yes but for how long ?
How long before it gets tossed for a new "Love"
How long before it gets hoisted on the scrap heap with your other past love affairs
...lol

Jun 23 14 01:06 pm Link

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Brooklyn Bridge Images

Posts: 13200

Brooklyn, New York, US

michael___ wrote:
Honestly, who hasn't been tempted?

I have not

Jun 23 14 01:07 pm Link

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Jose Deida

Posts: 1293

Reading, Pennsylvania, US

Brooklyn Bridge Images wrote:

Yes but for how long ?
How long before it gets tossed for a new "Love"
How long before it gets hoisted on the scrap heap with your other past love affairs
...lol

Hahaha..


Hey, I thought the fire was gonna burn out after the whole "new thing" wore off.
It has not.. still going hot and heavy big_smile

Jun 23 14 03:34 pm Link

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Longtower

Posts: 75

Brooklyn, New York, US

I have the 50 1.2 and am totally happy of my purchase. I got it at a really good used price at $900 too. Depending on what aperture you're mainly going to be shooting  with will justify the cost.

Jun 25 14 03:42 am Link

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Jim Burns Photography

Posts: 51

Batavia, New York, US

OP question, Is shallow depth of field really worth it?

For me yes. I have had a 50mm 1.2 for years, love it. I like it more than my 85mm 1.2, I like it better than a 80mm f2.8 on a medium format camera too. But that is just me. I like to open up the lens to take isolation shots. Lots of good photographers don't.

Instead of the technical aspects of the lens, ask yourself does shallow DoF fit my shooting style, if yes buy it, you don't know you should try it.

Jun 25 14 04:29 am Link

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Moon Pix Photography

Posts: 3907

Syracuse, New York, US

It was to me, but I wouldn't expect everyone to agree. I think the Sigma produces better IQ and I am still considering selling my 50 1.2 for it. 

I did a comparison of the Canon 1.4 vs the Canon 1.2. Click on link for more pictures and results

http://johncarnessali.com/camera-lens-tests/5338

https://johncarnessali.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/Canon-50mm-Bokeh-Compared.jpg

https://johncarnessali.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/Canon-50mm-vs-Bokeh-Compared.jpg

Jun 25 14 07:54 am Link

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HarryL

Posts: 1668

Chicago, Illinois, US

Moon Pix Photography wrote:
It was to me, but I wouldn't expect everyone to agree. I think the Sigma produces better IQ and I am still considering selling my 50 1.2 for it. 

I did a comparison of the Canon 1.4 vs the Canon 1.2. Click on link for more pictures and results

http://johncarnessali.com/camera-lens-tests/5338

https://johncarnessali.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/Canon-50mm-Bokeh-Compared.jpg

https://johncarnessali.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/Canon-50mm-vs-Bokeh-Compared.jpg

Sorry.....the samples don't make any sense. The 1.2 bokeh is so distinguish that even a 3 year old can tell:)

Jun 26 14 11:05 am Link

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photoimager

Posts: 5164

Stoke-on-Trent, England, United Kingdom

Compare the DoF of a 135mm F2 / 180 F2.8 and a 50 or 85mm F1.2 / F1.4.

Compare the cost of the options.

If you have the space you might find the 135 / 180mm to be the best option.

Jun 26 14 12:08 pm Link

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Jim McSmith

Posts: 794

Edinburgh, Scotland, United Kingdom

Only if you can afford it!

Jun 26 14 01:18 pm Link

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Eleven 11 Photography

Posts: 409

Auburn, Alabama, US

I personally owned the 1.8, the 1.4 and the 1.2 at the same time. The real difference to me was that the 1.2 has a much wider range of sharp pictures than the other two. And yes you get a prettier bokeh on the 1.2. But honestly I think unless you have a professional use for it then either of the other lens would do.

Jun 26 14 01:39 pm Link

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KMP

Posts: 4834

Houston, Texas, US

I love the control over really shallow DOF...but if it's worth it.. is up to you and what you like.
To me, it is...

Jun 26 14 02:12 pm Link

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HarryL

Posts: 1668

Chicago, Illinois, US

1k-words-photograpy wrote:
I personally owned the 1.8, the 1.4 and the 1.2 at the same time. The real difference to me was that the 1.2 has a much wider range of sharp pictures than the other two. And yes you get a prettier bokeh on the 1.2. But honestly I think unless you have a professional use for it then either of the other lens would do.

+ 1



Indeed. Last year I shoot part of the Sting tour w only 2 lenses 16-35 II and the  1.2

Notice: In music world most entertainers don't allow flash guns.

Two years ago well know band singer on the brake time he almost kick his manager

Cause one o the VIP's ( amateur) couldn't stop  shooting like a laser

The VIP later was kick out from the restricted area minus his gear. ( sometimes money can't buy everything)

Since I know the capability of the  1.4 I wouldn't used to that extend. It's kind of

Sadomasochism. Little humor it's ok:)

H

Jun 26 14 02:19 pm Link

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Mike Stewart 247 Foto

Posts: 287

Houston, Texas, US

Jose Deida wrote:
HONY loves his smile
http://www.humansofnewyork.com/

and I love mine

https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7025/6659346133_2a11e52486_z.jpg051HP by josedeidaphotography, on Flickr
https://farm4.staticflickr.com/3777/12232206735_16caa12ac0_c.jpg_MG_9054 by josedeidaphotography, on Flickr

Love the x-mas light bokeh in the top photo... beautiful.

Jun 28 14 06:02 am Link

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michael___

Posts: 303

New York, New York, US

Moon Pix Photography wrote:
It was to me, but I wouldn't expect everyone to agree. I think the Sigma produces better IQ and I am still considering selling my 50 1.2 for it. 

I did a comparison of the Canon 1.4 vs the Canon 1.2. Click on link for more pictures and results

http://johncarnessali.com/camera-lens-tests/5338

https://johncarnessali.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/Canon-50mm-Bokeh-Compared.jpg

https://johncarnessali.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/Canon-50mm-vs-Bokeh-Compared.jpg

Thanks, that is very helpful. I can see that the 1.2L is a better lens, in terms of sharpness and abberations, but in terms of DOF/Bokeh, I do not think that the difference is too substantial. I mean, it is there, but i wouldn't pay too much more for that difference.

I have no idea which lens that I'm going to go for but for Clarity, I am not going with the 1.2L. I'm going legacy which makes a difference, because most fast 50's (outside of Leica) seem to be inferior to the 1.2L. I'm going legacy because I like manual focus film cameras/lenses.

Jun 28 14 06:11 am Link

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LUNA_PHOTOGRAPHY

Posts: 259

Wilmington, North Carolina, US

Sweet REview!!

Jul 18 14 07:31 pm Link