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Photographer

DaeNaturals

Posts: 135

Sacramento, California, US

R  I  K  wrote:
Wow, that's a pretty opinionated rant to say the least.

Admittedly it may seem a little odd to find landscape, product, wildlife, porn or whateverthefukelse people wish to prop up their lacking model portfolio with here on MM.
But at the end of the day, who gives a shit about what you think... if you don't like it, or feel something is inappropriate, CAM it, but for christ sake please don't think for a second that you're in a position to decide what is, and/or isn't appropriate for this site.

Yes, yes it is quite an opinionated rant.

I apologize for the long winded-ness of my rants but an opinionated one needs to be thoughtfully explained, right or wrong.

And RIK, as a member of this community, I do believe I am in a position (although no authority) to make certain requests of other members in this community if it affects others, just as you are in a position to give me your opinion, regarding others.

Technically, there is nothing wrong with those ports I am talking about here on MM, so there is nothing to be done by the moderators.
But when I see it, I cringe, not because I am offended by it, but because I grew up and live in a society that will think quite negatively upon it. And you know it.

Jun 22 14 08:51 am Link

Model

MelissaAnn

Posts: 3971

Seattle, Washington, US

People can obviously do whatever they want with their ports (within MM guidelines), but I think this rant is directed more at the folks who are posting mixed material without realizing how it affects the way that the majority of people perceive their work (the ones that have no idea that others may see their body of work as inappropriate).

For the people that have mixed material in their ports, and don't care how others perceive them, and for those that don't have any mixed material, I don't think the message really applies to you. 

Although this may be a rant, I do agree with the ultimate point of the post, and I too cringe when I see certain ports with inappropriate mixed material (like portraits of pre-teen girls next to open-legged shots/erotica).

Jun 22 14 09:51 am Link

Photographer

Art Silva

Posts: 10064

Santa Barbara, California, US

DaeNaturals wrote:

I am not talking about that.
I'm talking about posting a picture of, for example, a perfectly wonderful portrait of a 3yr old girl, next to another perfectly wonderful totally nude model pulling on her binkini, on the same page!

Seriously, would you do that?

Yes I would absolutely, BUT this is the reason MM has made an Adult Content feature, Sets and Private Sets in the uploading procedure, a Worksafe Mode on the viewer end.s.

Every member knows ports will have a good chance of having a mixed gallery if a photographer is skilled in several modeling genres.

Yes members should utilize their self censoring tags, and sensitive viewers should maybe have their Safe Mode on.

I have “most” of my nudes tagged with the Mature or Adult Content feature and some I don’t when nipples and pubic areas are not visible yet they are all nude.
Back when I had glamour and portraitures in my port I had sets for my nudes just to satisfy the prudes.

Your rant should be directed to those who fail to use the available MM features, both the photographer and viewer.
Another thing is that if one is afraid of underage or family members logging on to your computer and MM account, well that is a matter of setting your computer log-in with a pass code as well as your MM safe mode… the internet will always be the Internet and that includes MM.

Jun 22 14 05:27 pm Link

Photographer

Lumigraphics

Posts: 32780

Detroit, Michigan, US

I, for one, have the opposite view. Segregating nudity just reinforces the prudes opinion that it is "bad" or "sinful" and should be hidden away.

I'm sick of political correctness. No matter what it is, someone has to be thin-skinned and offended and demand that everyone else fall right in line. I'm tired of having what I'm allowed to say, see, and do dictated by the most oppressive, least tolerant, and most controlling members of our society. And this isn't limited to one side of the socio-political aisle. The religious right and activist left both do it.

If more of us stood up and were proud of our adult artistic choices, the fewer people would be left to criticize and complain and disapprove.

For those who do want to criticize, the nudity makes a nice bozo filter. They can get their knickers in a knot and stomp away all huffy, as long as they leave me alone about my choices. I, in turn, won't judge them for being narrow-minded, judgmental, and meddling.

As an artistic :cough: community, we should be trying to make expression more acceptable, not shove it further in the closet. So I think you are on a wrong-headed crusade here, bub.

This also seems a bit insulting, as if photographers aren't aware of what they are posting and aren't making choices about it. I don't like a fair bit of what I see, to be honest, but I simply move on. Someone else's choices aren't my problem.

Jun 22 14 06:29 pm Link

Photographer

Rays Fine Art

Posts: 7504

New York, New York, US

To each his own, of course, but for my part, I'm a generalist, and usually shoot models who are also generalists, so it 's appropriate that there be a wide range of styles and genres in my port.  Of course, I also don't shoot children, so that part is a non-item.  Frankly, I don't see anything particularly out of line with having a few landscapes or cityscapes to make the page more interesting, particularly if it happens to be of a location where the photographer is likely to shoot.

And I suppose it's a bit shortsighted of me but I sometimes have trouble taking the advice of people who tell me (not suggest, but tell me) how to conduct my business.  It makes me wonder how much business they have if they have that much time left over to manage mine.  But then, that's not really any business of mine, is it?

All IMHO as always, of course.

Jun 22 14 06:34 pm Link

Photographer

Decay of Memory

Posts: 682

Asheville, North Carolina, US

DaeNaturals wrote:
I'm talking about posting a picture of, for example, a perfectly wonderful portrait of a 3yr old girl, next to another perfectly wonderful totally nude model pulling on her binkini, on the same page!

Seriously, would you do that?

Well, I most certainly would not do a shot with a bikini as I find them quite gross. However, as you can see from my port I certainly do mix children with nudes, along with animals, flowers, architectural features, fossils, bones... It's a very conscious decision and a carefully constructed mix.

I looked at your port to see how you arrange things, and, if I may be so bold, I find the wall to wall, young female nude presentation you've decided on to be an aesthetic weakness in your work. Some of the individual shots are good, but I think they're actually lessened by the presentation.

I noticed that you include a quote from Pablo Picasso in your bio section and I think it's worth noting that he never separated his nudes from his other subject, be they children, animals or still-lifes. It was all in a mix as part of his world and life and that fact is part of what made his approach to nudity and eroticism so challenging.

Jun 22 14 07:37 pm Link

Photographer

mophotoart

Posts: 2118

Wichita, Kansas, US

for the OP...stick with the genre that is MM related, link your other work, if people like what they see, they will go to it, you will get the attention you want if you deserve it...seems like common sense to me...tons of social media out there...just an opinion and you are here asking for opinions...Mo

Jun 22 14 07:49 pm Link

Photographer

DaeNaturals

Posts: 135

Sacramento, California, US

Decay of Memory wrote:
I noticed that you include a quote from Pablo Picasso in your bio section and I think it's worth noting that he never separated his nudes from his other subject, be they children, animals or still-lifes. It was all in a mix as part of his world and life and that fact is part of what made his approach to nudity and eroticism so challenging.

Hm. Glad you reminded me of that.
That's a very good point.
I need to re-stew my thoughts

Jun 22 14 10:59 pm Link