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Michael Bots

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"passengers were told before the flight began that there was an odor in the cockpit."

"In fact, the flight takeoff was delayed in Honolulu for three hours, during which the plane sat on the tarmac, she said. “Then they let us go, and I thought it didn’t feel right, but hey,""

"lights kept going on and off randomly"

“The pilots lost their radar, their map, and their radio and their electricity was going out but they didn’t tell us to keep us calm,”


Shock Landing: Boeing 777 Forced to Retour to Remote Pacific Island
http://www.nbcnews.com/business/travel/ … nd-n154191


‘I’m about to die,’ passenger says of United flight over ocean, makes emergency landing
http://fox6now.com/2014/07/12/im-about- … y-landing/


“The captain said there was smoke in the cockpit and the radar failed and other electronic systems were failing, so they had to land. I think they landed old-school. They did an amazing job to get there safely,”


United Airlines flight diverted to remote Pacific island of Midway
http://www.latimes.com/nation/nationnow … story.html

Jul 13 14 04:09 am Link

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DOUGLASFOTOS

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Los Angeles, California, US

I never thought Midway was a Remote Island. It is the Northern Tier of the Hawaiian Islands.

Jul 13 14 04:17 am Link

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Michael Bots

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Kingston, Ontario, Canada

- Midway Atoll - Midway   (2.4 sq miles)
to - Wake Island      1903 km    1182 miles
to - Hawaii - Honolulu    2113 km    1313 miles   

http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/d … tml?n=1890

(comparable distances -- Chicago to Miami or  (almost as far as) Chicago to Las Vegas or  Los Angeles to Mexico City)

https://www.trbimg.com/img-53c17ca7/turbine/la-na-nn-midway-island-united-flight-diversion-001/650/16x9

Jul 13 14 04:32 am Link

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FIFTYONE PHOTOGRAPHY

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Uniontown, Pennsylvania, US

Interesting.

The same Boeing 777 as used on the missing Malaysia Airlines flight MH 370 and the same Boeing 777 used by Egyptair which suffered a cockpit fire at the Gate in 2011. http://avherald.com/h?article=44078aa7

Jul 13 14 04:55 am Link

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udor

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New York, New York, US

Fifty One Imaging wrote:
Interesting.

The same Boeing 777 as used on the missing Malaysia Airlines flight MH 370 and the same Boeing 777 used by Egyptair which suffered a cockpit fire at the Gate in 2011. http://avherald.com/h?article=44078aa7

The thick plottens!!! wink

Jul 13 14 05:02 am Link

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Jim Ball

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Frontenac, Kansas, US

udor wrote:

The thick plottens!!! wink

It's a conspiracy!  Boeing is in cahoots with GM to hide problems to avoid recalls!  Either that, or aliens are somehow involved......

Jul 13 14 06:57 am Link

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photoguy35

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Goodyear, Arizona, US

Fifty One Imaging wrote:
Interesting.

The same Boeing 777 as used on the missing Malaysia Airlines flight MH 370 and the same Boeing 777 used by Egyptair which suffered a cockpit fire at the Gate in 2011. http://avherald.com/h?article=44078aa7

Probably wasn't the SAME plane tongue.  There have been over 1200 777s made so far, so every now ant then one will have a problem.  The vast majority of the time the result is what happened in this case, no harm to anyone other than the inconvenience of the travel delay.

Jul 13 14 10:32 am Link

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QuaeVide

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Pacifica, California, US

Any sighting yet of the Smoke Monster?

Jul 13 14 02:39 pm Link

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Jules NYC

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New York, New York, US

Why would anyone want to leave HI?

Jul 13 14 02:57 pm Link

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James Jackson Fashion

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Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, US

Fifty One Imaging wrote:
Interesting.

The same Boeing 777 as used on the missing Malaysia Airlines flight MH 370 and the same Boeing 777 used by Egyptair which suffered a cockpit fire at the Gate in 2011. http://avherald.com/h?article=44078aa7

udor wrote:
The thick plottens!!! wink

Well the interesting plot is that one of the best theories is the MA flight was lost after an electrical fire suffocated the flight crew.  It fits the profile of the accident and everything known about it.

Jul 13 14 03:06 pm Link

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Abbitt Photography

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Washington, Utah, US

DOUGLASFOTOS wrote:
I never thought Midway was a Remote Island. It is the Northern Tier of the Hawaiian Islands.

Yeah, when I read the title, I imagined a beach landing somewhere, with helicopters, etc. needed to rescue everyone, not an island with an established runway that simply had another plane fly in to pick everyone up.

Still, good to hear about incidences of planes that have such problems in flight and are forced to find alternative runways.

Jul 13 14 03:10 pm Link

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studio36uk

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Tavai, Sigave, Wallis and Futuna

~8000 foot paved runway in good condition - - - Big yawn!

Hell, they even opened up the gym for the pax to sit in and fed them. Probably with a/c - certainly more comfortable, I should think, than sitting and sweltering in the "hollow metal tube" on the parking apron.

I think this incident should be filed under "shit happens".

Studio36

Jul 13 14 03:18 pm Link

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Good Egg Productions

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Orlando, Florida, US

Nobody died and the pilots are largely heroes?  Oh...

Jul 13 14 03:27 pm Link

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DOUGLASFOTOS

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Los Angeles, California, US

It is a maintain runway. It is large and even a Airbus A380 could land there. Midway has been there for many years. It is like a Aircraft Carrier!!! lol.  It was used in 2011 Delta Flight 747.


https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q … 5_lXdoztBA


https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q … 0081,d.cGU

Jul 13 14 03:31 pm Link

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DOUGLASFOTOS

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Fifty One Imaging wrote:
Interesting.

The same Boeing 777 as used on the missing Malaysia Airlines flight MH 370 and the same Boeing 777 used by Egyptair which suffered a cockpit fire at the Gate in 2011. http://avherald.com/h?article=44078aa7

You forgot to mention, the shadowy figure at the grassy knoll.

Jul 13 14 03:34 pm Link

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TomFRohwer

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Hamburg, Hamburg, Germany

Where is, repeat, where is Task Force Thirty Four? The world wonders.

Jul 13 14 04:34 pm Link

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DougBPhoto

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Portland, Oregon, US

on Midway?

*yawn*

Jul 13 14 04:37 pm Link

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Erin Holmes

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Albuquerque, New Mexico, US

I've done numerous flights to and from Guam...super happy that didn't happen to me. My flying phobia is bad enough.

Jul 13 14 08:59 pm Link

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Ralph Easy

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Sydney, New South Wales, Australia

https://cdn.memegenerator.net/instances/500x/52494208.jpg

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Jul 13 14 09:53 pm Link

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TomFRohwer

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Hamburg, Hamburg, Germany

DougBPhoto wrote:
on Midway?

*yawn*

Would explain everything.

Jul 14 14 07:56 am Link

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American Glamour

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Detroit, Michigan, US

It sounds to me like the pilot was experiencing electrical problems.  He made the decision to land.  Picked the best runway around and put it down safely.  We make news of every slight mechanical problem in an airplane.  In this case, the system and training worked exactly as it should have.

Midway is a huge airport on a tiny island.  It isn't a great place to be but a very safe place to land.

Jul 14 14 08:27 am Link

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Stanley L Moore

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Houston, Texas, US

Slightly off topic but Midway has a great historical context. The time was June 1942. It was the site of a decisive battle in World War II that decimated the Japanese naval capacity.  Some say this battle was the most important battle of the entire war. So many aircraft carriers, planes and skilled pilots were destroyed Japan could not keep up with the Americans.

Crucial to the victory was the US breaking Japanese naval codes. The US knew an attack was imminent but did not know where because the Japanese used code names. AF in the case of Midway. So the intelligence service asked the radio operators at Midway to send an uncoded message saying that there was a problem with the fresh water supply on the island. Then they listened to enemy radio traffic and sure enough a routine message was sent to Japan mentioning the water problem at the code name AF. Thus the US was prepared for the attack.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Midway

Jul 14 14 10:16 am Link

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Robb Mann

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Baltimore, Maryland, US

Glad everyone is safe. Poor Boeing. It's planes keep on having problems.

Jul 15 14 05:08 pm Link

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Stanley L Moore

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Houston, Texas, US

Robb Mann wrote:
Glad everyone is safe. Poor Boeing. It's planes keep on having problems.

It is bad for me too because I am a stockholder.

Jul 15 14 06:30 pm Link

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Laura UnBound

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Toronto, Ontario, Canada

Why in hell did they send another plane just to bring them back to honolulu…and then turn them around a couple hours later to go to their destination? Why not just pick them up at midway and then keep going.

Jul 15 14 07:09 pm Link

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Stanley L Moore

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Houston, Texas, US

probably some complicated regulation from the FAA. The feds can never control anything properly.

Jul 15 14 07:27 pm Link

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Monad Studios

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Santa Rosa, California, US

Laura UnBound wrote:
Why in hell did they send another plane just to bring them back to honolulu…and then turn them around a couple hours later to go to their destination? Why not just pick them up at midway and then keep going.

I have no idea, but I'm guessing that passenger convenience wasn't high on the list of priorities.

Jul 15 14 07:28 pm Link

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DOUGLASFOTOS

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Los Angeles, California, US

Laura UnBound wrote:
Why in hell did they send another plane just to bring them back to honolulu…and then turn them around a couple hours later to go to their destination? Why not just pick them up at midway and then keep going.

No way to get luggage off that plane. So...back to HNL and Wait.

Jul 15 14 07:31 pm Link

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Laura UnBound

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Toronto, Ontario, Canada

DOUGLASFOTOS wrote:

No way to get luggage off that plane. So...back to HNL and Wait.

How does taking them back to Honolulu solve their luggage problem? The luggage was still on a busted plane sitting in Midway, unless a plane who's innards were on fire causing an emergency landing was flown back to honolulu in just a few hours after its emergency landing so they could unload it. How did the previous planes that emergency landed there and had flights take the passengers from midway to wherever they were going get their bags?

Jul 15 14 08:20 pm Link

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DOUGLASFOTOS

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Los Angeles, California, US

Laura UnBound wrote:
How does taking them back to Honolulu solve their luggage problem? The luggage was still on a busted plane sitting in Midway, unless a plane who's innards were on fire causing an emergency landing was flown back to honolulu in just a few hours after its emergency landing so they could unload it. How did the previous planes that emergency landed there and had flights take the passengers from midway to wherever they were going get their bags?

Please ask Tree Top Airlines.  They also got 500 dollar vouchers.

What I read...is that their luggage was still sitting there on Midway, they were hustle back to HNL..then to Guam, as of Last Sunday..no luggage. Not sure. This is United Airlines.

Jul 15 14 08:30 pm Link

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Monad Studios

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Large passenger planes land on this tiny Pacific island dozens of times per day.

https://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/dam/assets/130626161206-engineering-kansai-airport-horizontal-gallery.jpg

Jul 15 14 08:33 pm Link

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American Glamour

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Detroit, Michigan, US

Laura UnBound wrote:
Why in hell did they send another plane just to bring them back to honolulu…and then turn them around a couple hours later to go to their destination? Why not just pick them up at midway and then keep going.

It is complicated.  Certain airplanes are certified to fly certain distances over water.  Likewise, only certain commercial airliners have been cleared to fly into certain countries.  My guess is that the plane they had available for the rescue was fine to fly to Midway from Hawaii but wouldn't pass muster to the final destination.

The rules are weird.  As an example, certain engines are certified to fly one distance over water yet the same engine, which has not been certified, couldn't make the same trip.  That is true even though the engines are identical.  It has to do with the time between inspections, the number of hours since overhaul, etc, etc, etc.  It costs the airlines more to have engines that are certified for extended over-water, so they only maintain enough airplanes to meet their needs.

Jul 15 14 08:39 pm Link

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DOUGLASFOTOS

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Los Angeles, California, US

Monad Studios wrote:
Large passenger planes land on this tiny Pacific island dozens of times per day.

https://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/dam/assets/130626161206-engineering-kansai-airport-horizontal-gallery.jpg

Hey that is Kansai International Airport.

Jul 15 14 08:39 pm Link

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Monad Studios

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DOUGLASFOTOS wrote:

Hey that is Kansai International Airport.

Have you been there?

I knew it existed, but I've never been anywhere near it.

Jul 15 14 08:42 pm Link

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Robb Mann

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Laura UnBound wrote:

How does taking them back to Honolulu solve their luggage problem? The luggage was still on a busted plane sitting in Midway, unless a plane who's innards were on fire causing an emergency landing was flown back to honolulu in just a few hours after its emergency landing so they could unload it. How did the previous planes that emergency landed there and had flights take the passengers from midway to wherever they were going get their bags?

I'm guessing, but the airline may not have wanted to take off with a fully loaded B777 from Midway. The runway is not short, but it may not have had enough of a safety margin. Few commercial pilots are used to taking off in a wide body commercial jet from Midway. They may even fly in two planes -- one for the passengers, and a second for their luggage and freight. Boeing may even send out a team to assist.

Jul 16 14 03:15 am Link