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Giacomo Cirrincioni

Posts: 22232

Stamford, Connecticut, US

Frank Lewis Photography wrote:
How do you all dispose of used chemistry?

Developer and stop go down the sink, no harm in that.  Spent fixer gets poured into a container and I take that down to the dump where they can properly (so they say) dispose of it.

Jul 21 14 10:57 am Link

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Giacomo Cirrincioni

Posts: 22232

Stamford, Connecticut, US

As far as Kodak vs. Ilford goes, I've standardized (mostly) on Ilford materials.  I think their quality is as good as you can get today (film, chemistry and paper) and they are dedicated to keeping traditional photography alive (and are quite profitable and growing).

Jul 21 14 10:59 am Link

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Frank Lewis Photography

Posts: 14492

Winter Park, Florida, US

When you get your negatives scanned, what kind of files are they? The service I am using returns the files as jpg's, 35mm at 300 dpi. The technician says the negs (actually positive images) would be saved as jpg or bitmap files. I would think that I would want the negs saves as raw or maybe psd.

I think it's time for a YouTube video...

Jul 22 14 01:00 pm Link

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Giacomo Cirrincioni

Posts: 22232

Stamford, Connecticut, US

Frank Lewis Photography wrote:
When you get your negatives scanned, what kind of files are they? The service I am using returns the files as jpg's, 35mm at 300 dpi. The technician says the negs (actually positive images) would be saved as jpg or bitmap files. I would think that I would want the negs saves as raw or maybe psd.

I think it's time for a YouTube video...

I scan (myself) to a 16-bit Tiff.  Fred has a process he uses to create a 16-bit raw file, but I've never done it.  I have, however, scanned a negative twice, once for highlights and once for shadows and then brought them together in PS, but usually that isn't necessary (for me).

I scan film (120, 4x5 & 8x10) at 3200 PPI

Jul 22 14 01:07 pm Link

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Charles Howse

Posts: 693

Vero Beach, Florida, US

Frank Lewis Photography wrote:
When you get your negatives scanned, what kind of files are they? The service I am using returns the files as jpg's, 35mm at 300 dpi. The technician says the negs (actually positive images) would be saved as jpg or bitmap files. I would think that I would want the negs saves as raw or maybe psd.

I think it's time for a YouTube video...

RAW is kinda meaningless from film via a scanner. Save the file to a lossless format like TIFF or if your software and workflow support it, then PSD is a good way. Don't go with JPG from the scanner; why start off with artifacts and compressed data?

In another post you asked about saving the negs... of course you save them!

Enjoy the trip and keep us updated...

Jul 22 14 02:04 pm Link

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Charles Howse

Posts: 693

Vero Beach, Florida, US

Wait a minute...
35 mm at 300 DPI? 
If a 35 mm frame is appx one inch, then you'll have a image of 300 pixels. What is important is the resolution of the scan. Someone else mentioned scanning at 3200 which makes a lot of sense. For casual stuff that will not be printed large, I'll scan in 1200 dpi range to save time, but for quality 3000+ is much better.


Frank Lewis Photography wrote:
When you get your negatives scanned, what kind of files are they? The service I am using returns the files as jpg's, 35mm at 300 dpi. The technician says the negs (actually positive images) would be saved as jpg or bitmap files. I would think that I would want the negs saves as raw or maybe psd.

I think it's time for a YouTube video...

Jul 22 14 02:16 pm Link

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analog light

Posts: 221

Greensboro, North Carolina, US

freestylephoto.biz is a good source for film and chemicals. B&H and Adorama also have film and chemicals. Sometimes you can find good deals on ebay.

I develop my film in my bathroom and then scan it using and epson v600. Pretty easy stuff once you get a workflow that works for you.

Jul 22 14 08:27 pm Link

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Frank Lewis Photography

Posts: 14492

Winter Park, Florida, US

I got my film back the other day. What I have are positive jpgs that are 7.5"x5", 400 pixels/inch. I haven't done anything with them yet because I'm not sure what I should do with the images. The fellow who scanned my film told me that I should be able to enlarge the images to 12x18 without any loss of clarity.

I want this to be just like going into the darkroom but on my computer monitor instead.

What should I expect? I have looked for a YouTube video explaining this without success.

Jul 26 14 07:40 pm Link

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mophotoart

Posts: 2118

Wichita, Kansas, US

do an experiment...use a digital camera and the film camera...do the same shots, same conditions, make an evaluation of the effort and time involved, and see what works for you.....if your letting someone else develop your film and giving you digitized shots, you might as well do that your self....if it is art to you....otherwise, buy the highest resolution scanner you can afford and go the middle ground and shoot film, scan it and go from there...mo

Jul 26 14 08:05 pm Link

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Alabaster Crowley

Posts: 8283

Tucson, Arizona, US

Tony-S wrote:

I never use acetic acid (indicator) stop baths with film. It can introduce pinholes in the emulsion. I only use water, and within 5 degrees of the developer's temperature so as to prevent reticulation.

Interesting. I've never had a problem with it, nor has my professor.

Jul 26 14 09:01 pm Link

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Frank Lewis Photography

Posts: 14492

Winter Park, Florida, US

There are two new images of Lilly Ligotage in my port shot on Ilford XP-2 and lab processed. I dodged and burned in PS and finished them with Topaz BW Effects. The scans had a purple-ish hue to them which is why I finished them in BW Effects to eliminate that. Plus I wanted to keep the images RGB rather than making them grayscale.

Jul 26 14 09:13 pm Link

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Quay Lude

Posts: 6386

Madison, Wisconsin, US

Alabaster Crowley wrote:
Interesting. I've never had a problem with it, nor has my professor.

No shit? Really? Who is your Professor? Are you at ASU? Do you know Betsy or Julie?

Not that that matters. Just curious.

If you and your professor have something new to share, please let us know here. I'll forward to a friend that teaches at RIT.

Jul 26 14 09:13 pm Link

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Schlake

Posts: 2935

Socorro, New Mexico, US

Honey Stinger wrote:

No shit? Really? Who is your Professor? Are you at ASU? Do you know Betsy or Julie?

Not that that matters. Just curious.

If you and your professor have something new to share, please let us know here. I'll forward to a friend that teaches at RIT.

I don't think anything new has been discovered about using stop after the developer and before the fixer.  No need to rush off and tell anyone about it.

Jul 26 14 09:17 pm Link

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mophotoart

Posts: 2118

Wichita, Kansas, US

thank goodness for good cheese and a cold craft beer....this is better than reality tv....

Jul 26 14 09:21 pm Link

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Quay Lude

Posts: 6386

Madison, Wisconsin, US

Schlake wrote:

I don't think anything new has been discovered about using stop after the developer and before the fixer.  No need to rush off and tell anyone about it.

Phew... thanks. I thought I got old and hipsters changed chemistry. Thanks for the piece of mind, brother.

Jul 26 14 09:21 pm Link

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Schlake

Posts: 2935

Socorro, New Mexico, US

Honey Stinger wrote:

Phew... thanks. I thought I got old and hipsters changed chemistry. Thanks for the piece of mind, brother.

And for the record, I've never seen stop damage film.  I just double checked my old timing notes, and I didn't wash after the develop, I went straight to the stop.  The only rinse was before the so called Orbit.

Jul 26 14 09:30 pm Link

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FullMetalPhotographer

Posts: 2797

Fresno, California, US

Schlake wrote:

And for the record, I've never seen stop damage film.  I just double checked my old timing notes, and I didn't wash after the develop, I went straight to the stop.  The only rinse was before the so called Orbit.

At a Scripps League we used to do B&W tank development. The film from developer into the fix for 5 minutes without any stop bath. Of course we also did 2 minute washes. Hardly archival wink

Jul 26 14 11:17 pm Link

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Neil Peters Fotografie

Posts: 1058

Tucson, Arizona, US

Alabaster Crowley wrote:

Interesting. I've never had a problem with it, nor has my professor.

2 to 4 changes of water is all you need for a stop-bath, save your money.  the development process on the emulsion is not a run away train, it's a lava flow.  the top pro's have never had a problem with water either ...

Jul 27 14 08:23 am Link

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Frank Lewis Photography

Posts: 14492

Winter Park, Florida, US

Stopped into Harmon Photo to visit Herblish (MM#193267) today and scored a 135mm portrait lens, a 28mm wide angle lens and a 2X extender for my ME Super today! It's good to have friends in high places.

Also found out today I used the motor-winder wrong. The trigger setting shoulda been set on AUTO and I had it set on 125X, so my first roll of film was under exposed. I'm gonna try again this weekend at our meet & greet, this time with all the settings correct, I hope. Might even shoot a roll of Fuji 160S as well.

Found out today that the technician who scanned my first roll did so at the wrong resolution. I'll pay attention to that when I get the next rolls scanned next week.

Jul 29 14 07:21 pm Link

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Alabaster Crowley

Posts: 8283

Tucson, Arizona, US

Honey Stinger wrote:
No shit? Really? Who is your Professor? Are you at ASU? Do you know Betsy or Julie?

Not that that matters. Just curious.

If you and your professor have something new to share, please let us know here. I'll forward to a friend that teaches at RIT.

I'm not at ASU. I'd rather not mention my school publicly. If you're that curious, PM me.

Nothing "new" to share, just that we don't have problems with stop.

Jul 29 14 07:33 pm Link

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Alabaster Crowley

Posts: 8283

Tucson, Arizona, US

Neil Peters Fotografie wrote:
2 to 4 changes of water is all you need for a stop-bath, save your money.  the development process on the emulsion is not a run away train, it's a lava flow.  the top pro's have never had a problem with water either ...

I get free chemistry, and I prefer to go the way I'm being taught, by a "top pro," but thanks.

Jul 29 14 07:36 pm Link

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Alabaster Crowley

Posts: 8283

Tucson, Arizona, US

Schlake wrote:

I don't think anything new has been discovered about using stop after the developer and before the fixer.  No need to rush off and tell anyone about it.

lol

Jul 29 14 07:44 pm Link

Photographer

gopherlove

Posts: 84

Chicago, Illinois, US

Film is Dead !   ðŸ˜‚

Jul 29 14 08:41 pm Link

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Frank Lewis Photography

Posts: 14492

Winter Park, Florida, US

gopherlove wrote:
Film is Dead !   ðŸ˜‚

So is photography!

Jul 30 14 11:31 am Link

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Giacomo Cirrincioni

Posts: 22232

Stamford, Connecticut, US

Tony-S wrote:
I never use acetic acid (indicator) stop baths with film. It can introduce pinholes in the emulsion. I only use water, and within 5 degrees of the developer's temperature so as to prevent reticulation.

Alabaster Crowley wrote:
Interesting. I've never had a problem with it, nor has my professor.

I've developed literally thousands of rolls of black and white film using indicator stop bath and haven't had a problem.  I find most of what people see as pinholes in the emulsion are caused by either reticulation due to poor temperature control or water spots due to poor agitation.  The single greatest thing I did to insure good negatives was giving all my film a 5 minute pre-wet.  I now do this not only when using the JOBO to develop but also when hand developing using either dip and dunk systems, hand tanks or tray development.

Jul 30 14 12:16 pm Link

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Tony-S

Posts: 1460

Fort Collins, Colorado, US

Giacomo Cirrincioni wrote:
I've developed literally thousands of rolls of black and white film using indicator stop bath and haven't had a problem.

What developer(s) do you use? The culprits are those with bicarbonate, such as XTOL.

I find most of what people see as pinholes in the emulsion are caused by either reticulation due to poor temperature control or water spots due to poor agitation.

I keep the water stop at the same temp as the developer, so it's not reticulation. I have also developed more than a thousand rolls of film, so I'm sure my agitation skills are pretty darn good. wink

The single greatest thing I did to insure good negatives was giving all my film a 5 minute pre-wet.

That reduces/eliminates pinholes from air bubbles, but not from from CO2 bubbles that can form on the emulsion from bicarbonate/acetic acid reactions. If you want to see this reaction in action, just add a little baking soda to some vinegar.

Jul 30 14 03:28 pm Link

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David Shinobi

Posts: 5746

Daytona Beach, Florida, US

gopherlove wrote:
Film is Dead !   ðŸ˜‚

Oh, the irony.....

Jul 30 14 03:53 pm Link

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Alabaster Crowley

Posts: 8283

Tucson, Arizona, US

Giacomo Cirrincioni wrote:
The single greatest thing I did to insure good negatives was giving all my film a 5 minute pre-wet.

Yep.

Jul 30 14 07:24 pm Link

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L O C U T U S

Posts: 1746

Bangor, Maine, US

stock up on what ya can find for fuji film.
Fujifilm officially discontinued the production of their Color Positive Film, Color Negative Film, B&W Positive/Negative Film, Intermediate Film, Sound Recording Film, and High Contrast Panchromatic Film. Certain chemical products in Japan have been phased out, Fujifilm added in a statement. Their motion picture division will stay open providing products and services used in digital workflow like Recording Film for Digital Separation [ETERNA-RDS] for long-term archiving. Their IS-100 Imaging processing system and Fujinon lens production for digital film cameras and projectors will continue in production.

Jul 31 14 12:14 am Link

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L O C U T U S

Posts: 1746

Bangor, Maine, US

Jul 31 14 12:14 am Link

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Jim McSmith

Posts: 794

Edinburgh, Scotland, United Kingdom

Locutus wrote:
stock up on what ya can find for fuji film.
Fujifilm officially discontinued the production of their Color Positive Film, Color Negative Film, B&W Positive/Negative Film, Intermediate Film, Sound Recording Film, and High Contrast Panchromatic Film. Certain chemical products in Japan have been phased out, Fujifilm added in a statement. Their motion picture division will stay open providing products and services used in digital workflow like Recording Film for Digital Separation [ETERNA-RDS] for long-term archiving. Their IS-100 Imaging processing system and Fujinon lens production for digital film cameras and projectors will continue in production.

After reading the original article I was surprised because I thought Fuji would be staying in the game after Kodak simply because they were recently selling new medium format folding cameras and to withdraw so soon is surprising. I've been using Fuji C200 negative film but if that goes then Kodak's pro film is going to be too expensive for me.

Jul 31 14 04:28 am Link

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Tony-S

Posts: 1460

Fort Collins, Colorado, US

Locutus wrote:
Fujifilm officially discontinued the production of their Color Positive Film, Color Negative Film, B&W Positive/Negative Film...

Where did you read this?

Jul 31 14 06:55 am Link

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Supreme Icon

Posts: 11

Durban, KwaZulu Natal, South Africa

I still shoot a bit of film just for the love of it.
I develop the roll in my bathroom using an old vinyl backdrop to cover the window. Instead of buying a scanner I shoot the negs on a softbox and invert  in photoshop. I only shoot black and white film so its literally 2 shortcut keys in photoshop and you are done. Saves a lot of time and money developing and printing contact sheets.

I can then choose which I want to take into the darkroom and go back to darkroom printing... best of both worlds smile

Aug 01 14 12:47 am Link

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Joey

Posts: 457

Orange, California, US

Water is good to stop development. So will vinegar. For high contrast scenes, you may want to do a 2 step bath, one for shadows and one for highlights. Experiment then standardize your workflow for consistency. Enjoy the journey!

Aug 03 14 10:33 am Link

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LeonardG Photography

Posts: 405

San Francisco, California, US

Frank Lewis Photography wrote:
should I keep the film? What's the protocol here?

Yes, keep the film. One, it may last longer than the scans. Two, you may want better scans or find a better way to scan later and need to re-do them.

Tony-S wrote:
I never use acetic acid (indicator) stop baths with film. It can introduce pinholes in the emulsion. I only use water, and within 5 degrees of the developer's temperature so as to prevent reticulation.

Two points. First, pin holes from stop bath are a result of using too high a concentration of acid to water. With proper concentrations, that doesn't happen. Second, 5 degrees is not a good temperature tolerance and may cause micro reticulation. The normal accepted amount is plus-minus one degree.

Stop bath prevents the carry over of developer to the fixer, changing the fixer ph. That has a very small effect and generally can be disregarded for small batch processing. It really depends on the speed of the developer and the consistency of your developer timing.

Joey wrote:
Water is good to stop development. So will vinegar. For high contrast scenes, you may want to do a 2 step bath, one for shadows and one for highlights.

Joey means two bath development.

Aug 06 14 06:47 pm Link

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Fred Greissing

Posts: 6427

Los Angeles, California, US

Locutus wrote:
stock up on what ya can find for fuji film.
Fujifilm officially discontinued the production of their Color Positive Film, Color Negative Film, B&W Positive/Negative Film, Intermediate Film, Sound Recording Film, and High Contrast Panchromatic Film. Certain chemical products in Japan have been phased out, Fujifilm added in a statement. Their motion picture division will stay open providing products and services used in digital workflow like Recording Film for Digital Separation [ETERNA-RDS] for long-term archiving. Their IS-100 Imaging processing system and Fujinon lens production for digital film cameras and projectors will continue in production.

Fuji discontinued motion picture film stocks, not still photography film stocks.

Aug 07 14 01:00 am Link

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Fred Greissing

Posts: 6427

Los Angeles, California, US

Acetic acid stop bath does not cause pinholes.

Pinholes (that are not really pin holes) are the result of static or emulation defects.

Aug 07 14 01:03 am Link

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R.EYE.R

Posts: 3436

Tokyo, Tokyo, Japan

Locutus wrote:
stock up on what ya can find for fuji film.
Fujifilm officially discontinued the production of their Color Positive Film, Color Negative Film, B&W Positive/Negative Film, Intermediate Film, Sound Recording Film, and High Contrast Panchromatic Film. Certain chemical products in Japan have been phased out, Fujifilm added in a statement. Their motion picture division will stay open providing products and services used in digital workflow like Recording Film for Digital Separation [ETERNA-RDS] for long-term archiving. Their IS-100 Imaging processing system and Fujinon lens production for digital film cameras and projectors will continue in production.

Not quite. They just discontinued Provia 400X in 120. They are keeping Provia, Velvia, Acros and Pro400.
So the Fuji's film is still rolling on..

Aug 07 14 03:30 am Link

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Frank Lewis Photography

Posts: 14492

Winter Park, Florida, US

Well, I've run three rolls of film thru my new/old camera. Two rolls of XP-1 and a roll of BW400. Not real happy with the results yet. Been shooting with a yellow filter. Might dispense with that. Most shots seem underexposed. Or maybe because of the yellow filter too contrasty. I'll be posting some images in a couple of days...

EDIT: Upon examination the scans of both films are very grainy and very high contrast. I'm not sure that development caused the grain. The high contrast is most likely because of the yellow filter.

When I graduate to Tri-X and T-Max I know I'll have more control over development and grain.

Aug 08 14 07:08 pm Link

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Bottom Feeder Images

Posts: 668

Portland, Oregon, US

Frank Lewis Photography wrote:
Well, I've run three rolls of film thru my new/old camera. Two rolls of XP-1 and a roll of BW400. Not real happy with the results yet. Been shooting with a yellow filter. Might dispense with that. Most shots seem underexposed. Or maybe because of the yellow filter too contrasty. I'll be posting some images in a couple of days...

EDIT: Upon examination the scans of both films are very grainy and very high contrast. I'm not sure that development caused the grain. The high contrast is most likely because of the yellow filter.

When I graduate to Tri-X and T-Max I know I'll have more control over development and grain.

The yellow filter shouldn't add a lot of contrast, although contrasty is somewhat in the eye of the beholder. Also you should be looking at your negatives not the scans for proper density. A bad scan will add both grain and contrast.

and for the record I have used indicator stop bath for 15 years and have no problems at all.

Aug 08 14 08:36 pm Link