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Do the people care about your race/ethnicity?
Because of a couple of posts we now know that people care about the camera you use, how pretty you are, your measurements, if you use film, what kind of car you drive, how you dress, your other clients, and how many famous people you know, but we skipped one rather large elephant in the room, so I will ask the question simply: Do the people you work with (clients, other creative professionals, etc.) care about your race/ethnicity? (For the sake of argument let's just go with how the majority of the world views race/ethnicity and how the box is labeled here on Mayhem) Jul 16 14 02:39 pm Link The Grand Artist wrote: You just posted in another thread how everybody was lying...Why do you think you get honest answers here ? Jul 16 14 02:45 pm Link I think as a photographer it's rare anyone cares about my race. They may however care about the race of the people I photograph, which in turn means I sometimes must care about the race of the person I choose to photograph. Jul 16 14 02:50 pm Link Not that I ever noticed. Jul 16 14 02:53 pm Link I think the more you pay, the less prejudice people become. Of course, and there there are those that won't EVER work with you because of your ethnicity. But that's just how the world is. I don't dwell on it too much. Jul 16 14 03:03 pm Link Obvious, it does for models when casting them...yes, if it's sent to me (i work primarily directly ad, comm, publishing and other similar agencies) that the client is requesting a very specific type of look or regional feel ..same with ages, same with territory or region or type of hair cut and color. but that said..to be honest, i encounter more or less a demand for lifestyle looks, real-people, realistic scenarios...less for "standard" looks ..more so for people of all shapes, all sizes, all ethnicity...but that gets atrociously expensive to randomly work with everyone under the sun so it really is dependent on whether there is someone hiring for that look..and that will vary by the local demand ..we really are at the mercy of the people who hire us, the choice we have is limited to what is being bought. In fact I would love to have a portfolio of many different ethnicities represented, i think that would only be a positive. otherwise no, generally i feel it is irrelevant. Jul 16 14 03:12 pm Link There are so many castings on MM that I see that specifies blonde Caucasian models only, which is fine.  An agency sends me castings that fits my look. I also realize and understand certain companies go for certain looks, like Hollister or Gilly Hicks. Jul 16 14 03:12 pm Link Clients, customers, employers and people in general, tend to 'hire in their own image' Most people want to work with others they feel they can easily relate to. Jul 16 14 03:14 pm Link I think it's a stupid question. We all know that some people are racist and others aren't. Just as some are sexist and others aren't. It's the same in all walks of life. Personally I love to shoot people from all ethnic backgrounds, though on a rare occasion I need a particular look for a shoot and cast accordingly. Jul 16 14 03:22 pm Link In terms of models it really just depends how you look and what I'm shooting. Sometimes you want someone of a specific race for a specific shoot and sometimes race doesn't even come into play at all, it's why photographers have castings. The only negative thing I find about different races is there just aren't enough agency standard models of different races in my area, probably most areas as well so it can be hard when you really want someone specific or just someone different and there's no one around that fits what you're looking for :p Jul 16 14 03:31 pm Link Laura Bello wrote: indeed. Jul 16 14 03:32 pm Link Brooklyn Bridge Images wrote: Love all, trust a few, do wrong to none. Jul 16 14 03:35 pm Link I've had more then one model tell me they don't want to shoot with Black men. A few models have been honest enough once we met to say they had never worked with a Black photographer but I was cool. Some, I imagine weren't cool with me but didn't say anything. It seems odd in today's world but race is still a factor in many artistic fields. I actually did better in Texas with White and Mexican models. Ken said it best but people tend to be more comfortable with people they can relate too. Sometimes its is age but race and overall look can make a difference. I'm not saying that most models are racist mind you. In the agency world White models just are booked more. Especially for fashion. Commercial seems to differ. There was a really good Black fashion commercial shooter in AZ. I know of. Really, really good who was married to a White women and used White assistants. He told me that he found it best to let his wife rep him and let his assistants be very involved at shoots. Jul 16 14 04:39 pm Link I believe this has been an issue since Neandertals and Cro-Magnon shared Europe, not sure why anyone would think its simply gone away... P.S. In the other thread we found out that the only people who really cared about gear were those who thought it would magically make their images "better" Jul 16 14 04:46 pm Link AJScalzitti wrote: Too much truth in such a short reply. Jul 16 14 05:37 pm Link Oh myyy. Jul 16 14 06:00 pm Link They don't ask so they can't care that much. Jul 16 14 06:21 pm Link race ?.......show me the $$$ Jul 16 14 06:21 pm Link Is Soapbox Open? Jul 16 14 06:27 pm Link People make snap judgments based all kinds of things, big and small. Of course some people are influenced by race when they shouldn't be. Jul 16 14 06:57 pm Link Very much. 2 of my agencies seemingly main reason for taking me on is my ambiguousness. I try to stay out of the sun to keep that, as it can make me more widely marketable. Kinda sucks. Jul 16 14 07:35 pm Link AJScalzitti wrote: Different Species not Different Ethnicities Jul 16 14 10:50 pm Link I tend to ignore people when my skin color becomes an issue. I pretend there are other factors for not being hired...I am 5'2" Jul 17 14 12:00 am Link No one ever asked me really. But for some reason I feel most people assume I'm an older guy. Jul 17 14 12:16 am Link The Grand Artist wrote: Many people do, including some here on MM. Most won't admit that they care (if they do) because it would make them guilty of bigotry, prejudice or many other things but they do. Jul 17 14 12:43 am Link Much of TV advertising is based on a stereotypical view of the world... sad. Jul 17 14 01:42 am Link No. Jul 17 14 01:51 am Link Yes, and it's usually to the advantage of people who are not boring white Europeans. Jul 17 14 02:23 am Link Yes! when I'm not winning. Jul 17 14 03:37 am Link Lovely Day Media wrote: "People are bloody ignorant apes." -- Samuel Beckett, Waiting for Godot Jul 17 14 03:40 am Link Tony Lawrence wrote: That doesn't surprise me. I've had a number of guys who want to find a photographer ask me my ethnicity (which I guess is more polite than asking me my race). I usually ask them if there is a specific race or ethnicity they are trying to avoid working with. Jul 17 14 04:54 am Link It happens quite a lot in castings that I am involved in that we need to put out a second casting call, specifically for caucasian models, to increase the diversity of the models on set or in a fashion show. Somehow, I often get 80% black model submissions and we need to increase the white and asian model ratio. No joke! Jul 17 14 05:06 am Link Race is not a factor in my work, I need personality and presence. To sum up the values that I rate check out model Elizabeth on my You Tube channel - you'll see in my work personality wins through every time. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zdlFZuw … bVxk8WwfFg I look for inner strength and I believe that comes through in the work. I also celebrate diversity - It'd be boring if all models were the same. Jul 17 14 05:22 am Link Garry k wrote: Different is different, it's not limited by race, species, Ethnicities, religion, or anything else; it's been a problem for some Jul 17 14 05:47 am Link Well, I am reluctant to deal with American-born black females. Jul 17 14 05:51 am Link Kent Art Photography wrote: Interesting POV from another country and another part of the world. udor wrote: This I believe and know to be a fact. Even here in Dallas this is the case. Photography by Sean wrote: Now you have to tell us why that is the case. Jul 17 14 09:18 am Link Danielle Reid wrote: Don't pretend there are other factors but don't dwell on it either. Just note it and use it to continue to work towards your goals. Jul 17 14 10:18 am Link I don't use my real name here on MM. But, I have often been struck by people's reaction to my real name, which is very ethnic (Italian). I've often felt that people wished I was more "WHITE", that the ethnicity of my name was somehow offensive to them. I have often joked (and would like to someday fulfill) that if I ever had to write my name down on one of those stickers you put on your shirt at an event that says "Hello, my name is", that I would write "Not White Enough". Jul 17 14 10:35 am Link Garry k wrote: AJScalzitti wrote: Different Species not Different Ethnicities AJScalzitti wrote: My understanding is that there is evidence that the two, (Neanderthals, and Cro-Magnons), mated - and produced offspring. Jul 17 14 10:46 am Link I find that it depends on where and who, in entertainment? 9-5 jobs? family/friends? In entertainment there are a lot of stereotyping, certain skin colors play certain stereotypical roles.  9-5 jobs, even professional programming and engineering, amazingly, they ask for the same thing. Family/friends? yes Jul 17 14 02:50 pm Link |
