The Grand Artist wrote:
I don't understand the love people have for their cameras or any piece of technology. It is just a tool that will one day be obsolete replaced by something that functions better in every way.

I am starting to wonder how many people here still primarily use a VCR, CRT monitor, 486 computer using Windows 98 with a dial up modem, AOL as their ISP, and completely lost it when TV signals went to digital from analog.

Speaking only for myself, my camera is a tool but it's one I enjoy using (as opposed to having to use it to earn a living, etc). It is a piece of technology that will one day break and have to be replaced. It was likely obsolete the day after it was manufactured and I got it over a year later.  Just because it's old and/or obsolete doesn't mean I want to rush out and buy something else that will be obsolete just as fast (or faster). What I have works right now. If it didn't work, I'd have to change. Since it does, there is no need.

To be honest, I do primarily use a VCR. I use it to transfer VHS tapes to my computer. I still have a CRT monitor sitting on my desk. It has a 20 inch screen and weighs in at 78 pounds. It's connected to an old laptop that has a burned out monitor.  I don't have a 486 computer anymore but I do have a computer that runs at 266 mhz and runs Win98. I haven't used it in a while (more than 10 years) and it is big enough to need its own zip code but it still works. I hate to get rid of it.

SayCheeZ!  wrote:

London Fog wrote:
No dumb 'toy' articulating screen to snap off

The screen reason alone is enough to make me avoid the 70D!

The dumb "toy" was the reason I chose the 60D over the 7D several years ago.
I don't treat my cameras gently.  They're rarely in a case.  My 'toy' screen is still intact with no problems at all.

Meanwhile I've got some really cool overhead shots that I could have never gotten without it. 

The articulating screen really saved my @$$ when I was doing an aerial shoot from a helicopter and the pilot refused to remove the door.  He said that I could shoot out of a porthole.  The problem is that the porthole was in a position making it nearly impossible for me to shoot from.  With the articulating screen I was able to put the lens through the porthole and aim the screen towards me and was able to shoot away.



(re:7D)

My 60D and I had a great time in 105 degree heat near death valley the other day.  I've never had an issue with even warmer days in the past, either.

Heat is not an issue with any of these cameras, I've shot in North Scottsdale, AZ in 121 degree heat during July with an old F90, never had one issue.

This is about the 7D, which is a pro spec machine that kicks ass even now 5 years on! It's one of the best DSLR's ever made, crop or otherwise!

London Fog wrote:
This is about the 7D, which is a pro spec machine that kicks ass even now 5 years on! It's one of the best DSLR's ever made, crop or otherwise!

Yes, I understand that, but the comment made about the 7d working in 90 degree temperatures made it appear that it's a special feature that the other cameras don't have.

The actual original question was if anyone is still buying the 7d after the 70d came out.
The answer that both the OP and I have observed is that more people are now buying the 70d.

I can attest that the 7d is, and has been a fantastic camera.  Yes, people are still buying them, but not nearly at the same rate as the 70d.

I also have found that the people coming into the locations where I was appearing specifically to purchase a 7d were either people that were buying a new camera for themselves and weren't aware of the new 70d when it came out, or people that were visiting from a foreign country (mainly Brazil) and were told to pick up a 7d for someone back home.

I personally don't care if people buy a 7d, 70d, 60d, or one of the Rebels. I just try to give fair and accurate information so that people could make their own minds.  I also find it interesting that GPS and I noticed basically the same buying trend even though he's seeing it from the side of a group of photographers and I'm seeing it from the side of the manufacturer and various big box retailers.

London Fog wrote:
This is about the 7D, which is a pro spec machine that kicks ass even now 5 years on! It's one of the best DSLR's ever made, crop or otherwise!

SayCheeZ!  wrote:
Yes, I understand that, but the comment made about the 7d working in 90 degree temperatures made it appear that it's a special feature that the other cameras don't have.

The actual original question was if anyone is still buying the 7d after the 70d came out.
The answer that both the OP and I have observed is that more people are now buying the 70d.

I can attest that the 7d is, and has been a fantastic camera.  Yes, people are still buying them, but not nearly at the same rate as the 70d.

I also have found that the people coming into the locations where I was appearing specifically to purchase a 7d were either people that were buying a new camera for themselves and weren't aware of the new 70d when it came out, or people that were visiting from a foreign country (mainly Brazil) and were told to pick up a 7d for someone back home.

I personally don't care if people buy a 7d, 70d, 60d, or one of the Rebels. I just try to give fair and accurate information so that people could make their own minds.  I also find it interesting that GPS and I noticed basically the same buying trend even though he's seeing it from the side of a group of photographers and I'm seeing it from the side of the manufacturer and various big box retailers.

Nothing in my post is intended, in any way to criticize either camera.  I happen to like both of them.  SayCheeZ! is correct.  I was just looking at the sales trend.  I was curious.

Lovely Day Media wrote:

Speaking only for myself, my camera is a tool but it's one I enjoy using (as opposed to having to use it to earn a living, etc). It is a piece of technology that will one day break and have to be replaced. It was likely obsolete the day after it was manufactured and I got it over a year later.  Just because it's old and/or obsolete doesn't mean I want to rush out and buy something else that will be obsolete just as fast (or faster). What I have works right now. If it didn't work, I'd have to change. Since it does, there is no need.

To be honest, I do primarily use a VCR. I use it to transfer VHS tapes to my computer. I still have a CRT monitor sitting on my desk. It has a 20 inch screen and weighs in at 78 pounds. It's connected to an old laptop that has a burned out monitor.  I don't have a 486 computer anymore but I do have a computer that runs at 266 mhz and runs Win98. I haven't used it in a while (more than 10 years) and it is big enough to need its own zip code but it still works. I hate to get rid of it.

Again I am not saying to get rid of a camera that works. I am saying that too often people here claim that their old camera is magically better than a newer camera when it is not technical possible for that to be the case.

Now an old computer running Windows XP or older that needs to be replaced.

The Grand Artist wrote:
Again I am not saying to get rid of a camera that works. I am saying that too often people here claim that their old camera is magically better than a newer camera when it is not technical possible for that to be the case.

I think that all depends on what the definition of "better" is. For instance, someone somewhere is probably still shooting film and says their _____ film camera is better than any DSLR out there. I wouldn't take that to mean the camera is better. I would take that to mean they like it more and they think it's better for what they do.

SayCheeZ!  wrote:
It should also be noted that the 7d has been out for a few years.  The people that wanted/needed one most likely already have purchased it.  There may be a few people that want another one as a spare or extra body, but most of the people that I've come across that already have a 7d that they want to replace are purchasing the full framers (usually the 6d, but also the 5markIII... etc)

Canon has also been advertising the 70d much more than the 7d, which most companies do when they come out with a new product.

I do find it interesting that the big box locations that I deal with sell as many 6d's as they do.  I'd expect them to sell well at an independent camera store which caters mainly to photographers, I wouldn't think so at a place that sells Playstations, TV's, and refrigerators to the general public.

I'm wondering if you (GPS) have noticed an increase in the amount of new full framers at your group events?

Me, GPS ... hmmmm.   Our events are swarmed with D800's and a few D800E's.   When they came out, we were inundated by them and they still dominate.   We had always had a fairly good number of Canon 5D II's and D700's.  There were higher end cameras, 1DS III, III's and D3/D3s and D3X's.  The 5D III was slower to be adopted than the 5D II was.  I suspect that a lot of the 5D II people chose not to upgrade early on although I have seen quite a few come around.  Many have kept their 5D II's, although I do think the auto-focus on the 5D III is a lot better.  Obviously though, we now see a fairly good number of 5D III's.  As people wanted Canon full frame, those that didn't already have the 5D II went for the 5D III.   We get quite a few full frame cameras at the studio.

Where I find them to be under-represented is in the current model high end.  I don't see many D4's or 1D X's.

Also, I do see some D600/610's but I have only seen a couple of 6D's show up.  It seems that, for both Nikon and Canon, in my customer base, most that opt for full frame seem to pick the D800/D800E or 5D III.  I suspect that, for many, if they want to spend $1,800 on a camera they are fine spending $2,300.

I see fewer entry level cameras than I did before and more enthusiast.  By that I see more 70d's and D7100's than I do D5200's or T3i's.  Ignore the specific model numbers, just look to the class of camera.

Lovely Day Media wrote:
I think that all depends on what the definition of "better" is. For instance, someone somewhere is probably still shooting film and says their _____ film camera is better than any DSLR out there. I wouldn't take that to mean the camera is better. I would take that to mean they like it more and they think it's better for what they do.

I agree with you. When I say better I mean technically better. Things that can be measured and test by scientific method. You can not measure like, feels better, or looks better.

Which now has me thinking. Will more people buy a 6D/6D mark II or a 7d mark II

The Grand Artist wrote:

I agree with you. When I say better I mean technically better. Things that can be measured and test by scientific method. You can not measure like, feels better, or looks better.

Which now has me thinking. Will more people buy a 6D/6D mark II or a 7d mark II

I would buy a 7D MkII

The Grand Artist wrote:
Which now has me thinking. Will more people buy a 6D/6D mark II or a 7d mark II

Personally I'd buy a 7D if the price were right and I had enough money. I'd even buy a used one so someone else could upgrade to something else ... but the price has to be right.

London Fog wrote:
The only area which the 7D needs improving is in it's low light capability, really can't think of a single other improvement required, except maybe dual card slots!

18MP is plenty, but a bump up to 22 wouldn't go amiss!

I could be wrong, and often am, but look for 24+MP. If we see that, we will have a better idea of Canon's road map with the new full frame releases (which are also coming soon).

John

The Grand Artist wrote:
I don't understand the love people have for their cameras or any piece of technology. It is just a tool that will one day be obsolete replaced by something that functions better in every way.

I am starting to wonder how many people here still primarily use a VCR, CRT monitor, 486 computer using Windows 98 with a dial up modem, AOL as their ISP, and completely lost it when TV signals went to digital from analog.

A 486 was Win3.1 era machine, recommend a Pen Pro with 95 or 98.  Also only losers used AOL

The Grand Artist wrote:
I don't understand the love people have for their cameras or any piece of technology. It is just a tool that will one day be obsolete replaced by something that functions better in every way.

I am starting to wonder how many people here still primarily use a VCR, CRT monitor, 486 computer using Windows 98 with a dial up modem, AOL as their ISP, and completely lost it when TV signals went to digital from analog.

Do you enjoy posting ridiculous nonsense in an industry forum?

GPS Studio Services wrote:
I am not sure what it means but Amazon has discontinued the 7D:

CLICK HERE

The price is also quite low now as well.

That could mean that Canon has stopped making it and that can also mean that the 7D II is really coming out.  It is unusual for a prior model to be discontinued before a new one is released, but Amazon may have decided to just not purchase anymore.

As I mentioned above B&H has cut the price to $999.00.  It looks like a new model will be here soon.

Adorama has also cut the price.

Jerry Nemeth wrote:
As I mentioned above B&H has cut the price to $999.00.  It looks like a new model will be here soon.

Adorama has also cut the price.

"Canon Rumors" have been sounding more confident about the new camera.   "Photo Rumors" on the other hand, seems less confident about it.

Photo Rumors wrote:
The Canon EOS 7D DSLR camera is listed as discontinued at Amazon (still available from third party sellers). Rumors for a new Canon EOS 7D Mark II model has been floating around since 2011 (almost as long as the mythical Nikon D400). If this camera doesn't get announced at Photokina this September, I doubt it will ever come out.

Read more on PhotoRumors.com: http://photorumors.com/#ixzz38gPCrkgO

This is one of the cases where the rumor mills aren't in complete agreement.

GPS Studio Services wrote:

Jerry Nemeth wrote:
As I mentioned above B&H has cut the price to $999.00.  It looks like a new model will be here soon.

Adorama has also cut the price.

"Canon Rumors" have been sounding more confident about the new camera.   "Photo Rumors" on the other hand, seems less confident about it.


Read more on PhotoRumors.com: http://photorumors.com/#ixzz38gPCrkgO

This is one of the cases where the rumor mills aren't in complete agreement.

I honestly believe that we will not see either a 7DII or D400, they've long missed the boat on these two, and there's simply no need for these cameras anymore. With Nikon we have the D7100 and Canon has the 70D, both are amateur spec, but highly capable image making tools. Maybe Nikon or Canon don't see a need for a pro spec crops anymore, especially when both have very affordable FX models on the market.

Besides, 7D and D300 users know exactly why they still have and use these cameras, in as much as both perform awesomely well under ISO640, so they kind of serve that niche very well. This is certainly the case for me.

GPS Studio Services wrote:

Jerry Nemeth wrote:
As I mentioned above B&H has cut the price to $999.00.  It looks like a new model will be here soon.

Adorama has also cut the price.

"Canon Rumors" have been sounding more confident about the new camera.   "Photo Rumors" on the other hand, seems less confident about it.


Read more on PhotoRumors.com: http://photorumors.com/#ixzz38gPCrkgO

This is one of the cases where the rumor mills aren't in complete agreement.

The way things are happening it looks like they are preparing for a new camera.

Jerry Nemeth wrote:
The way things are happening it looks like they are preparing for a new camera.

Right now it is all conjecture.   I think we will know, for sure, in about five weeks.

GPS Studio Services wrote:

Right now it is all conjecture.   I think we will know, for sure, in about five weeks.

Of course we are guessing.  But it's obvious that something is going to happen soon.

GPS Studio Services wrote:
Right now it is all conjecture.   I think we will know, for sure, in about five weeks.

Jerry Nemeth wrote:
Of course we are guessing.  But it's obvious that something is going to happen soon.

Why, because they are discontinuing a camera that is almost five years old?  Nikon discontinued the D300s a couple of months ago, at the same time there was a rumor that it was being replaced with a D9300.

There could very easily be a 7D II coming out in September.  I am not questioning that it is a real possibility.  Right now, though two of the biggest rumor sites, Canon Rumors and Photo Rumors have different degrees of confidence.   So, while it may well happen, and I am not questioning whether it will or won't, discontinuing an old camera doesn't seem to guarantee that it will be replaced.

London Fog wrote:

Heat is not an issue with any of these cameras, I've shot in North Scottsdale, AZ in 121 degree heat during July with an old F90, never had one issue.

This is about the 7D, which is a pro spec machine that kicks ass even now 5 years on! It's one of the best DSLR's ever made, crop or otherwise!

Me and My Digital SLR , the MINOLTA MAXXUM 7D had a wonderful time in Iraq. 130 degrees in the shade. It worked every time, all the time.
And it's ISO performance was unmatched. I feel It's one of the best DSLR's ever made.