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Herman Surkis
Posts: 10856
Victoria, British Columbia, Canada
Too funny in a very, very sad way.
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Patrick Walberg
Posts: 45198
San Juan Bautista, California, US
This is important! All of us should be aware!
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Marin Photo NYC
Posts: 7348
New York, New York, US
NYPD = bad for your health.
They need more than a lesson in photography. They need to be reminded that they are public servants.
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Dee EN
Posts: 420
Los Angeles, California, US
Too many Police officers have insecurities and take their authority a bit too far, loosen your bullets Police Officers! NYPD = Not Your Perfect Department
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Eros Fine Art Photo
Posts: 3097
Torrance, California, US
Considering the Federal Building in Oklahoma City was bombed in 1995, and several US embassies have been attacked over the subsequent years, I'd say they have a good reason to get a little uneasy when some random person stands outside their building and just starts filming.
Let's face it, anyone prepared to commit an act of terror is not going to plant a car bomb outside your studio or outside the local Trader Joe's market. They'll target law enforcement and government buildings, as well as financial institutions and locations that draw large numbers of civilians (i.e. international airport, amusement park, sports venue, etc).
So instead of fucking with these guys and rustling their feathers, maybe it'd be best to just give them their space to do their jobs and focus on the people who actually DO pose a threat to our security. If someone wants to argue the legalities of filming a public building, then let them do it in court room. Why mess with the agents who work there and are likely just following a directive handed down to them by their superiors?
(By the way...Soapbox is closed)
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Sandra Vixen
Posts: 1561
Las Vegas, Nevada, US
Fear is a plaque that does not discriminate against government, police, or civilian.
What we're seeing here today is the plaque of fear (terror) left untreated.
TSA agents abusing and killing grandmothers.
Cops shooting and beating up helpless homeless people and women.
What I see happening are people just "increasing security" and not treating the plaque (fear).
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Michael Lohr
Posts: 510
Los Angeles, California, US
Eros Fine Art Photo wrote:
Considering the Federal Building in Oklahoma City was bombed in 1995, and several US embassies have been attacked over the subsequent years, I'd say they have a good reason to get a little uneasy when some random person stands outside their building and just starts filming.
Let's face it, anyone prepared to commit an act of terror is not going to plant a car bomb outside your studio or outside the local Trader Joe's market. They'll target law enforcement and government buildings, as well as financial institutions and locations that draw large numbers of civilians (i.e. international airport, amusement park, sports venue, etc).
So instead of fucking with these guys and rustling their feathers, maybe it'd be best to just give them their space to do their jobs and focus on the people who actually DO pose a threat to our security. If someone wants to argue the legalities of filming a public building, then let them do it in court room. Why mess with the agents who work there and are likely just following a directive handed down to them by their superiors?
(By the way...Soapbox is closed) Did you even bother to read the article???
It outlined both the moral and legal reasons why it is ok.
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American Glamour
Posts: 38813
Detroit, Michigan, US
This issue gets mainstream attention from time to time. That is a good thing. I was actually surprised recently. I took a model to an Amtrak station in the Bay. I wanted to shoot her from a location on the platform (not on the tracks) with a train approaching. Before I did so, I asked one of the station agents.
Her response was that the public was welcome to photograph trains so long as they aren't trespassing or on the tracks. More importantly, she told me that, so long as I was behind the yellow line, I was more than welcome to shoot away. I found that to be refreshing.
I wish more officials were less intimidated by the camera.
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MerrillMedia
Posts: 8736
New Orleans, Louisiana, US
We can all thank "youtube activists," who have been testing this for several years. There are tons of videos on the site of cops, agents, rent-a-cops, etc harassing photographers and videographers. If you watch them with an eye towards timeline, you will find that several years ago, many of these people were arrested. Now you see many being told that they can film as long as they don't violate various laws that make some sense.
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Don Garrett
Posts: 4984
Escondido, California, US
They are training to be the Gestapo when the corporate state gets fully established here. Is anyone here aware that a journalist is going to jail for not disclosing his source, for information that he already published, to the "authorities" ? Right here in the good old USA !
-Don
EDIT: In response to threads that have been posted here. Is anyone aware of the Likelihood of suffering a "terrorist" attack here ? I'd spend my time more wisely, and realistically, worrying about being hit by a meteor ! Stupid straw man diversions.
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wr not here
Posts: 1632
Regina, Saskatchewan, Canada
Eros Fine Art Photo wrote:
Considering the Federal Building in Oklahoma City was bombed in 1995, and several US embassies have been attacked over the subsequent years, I'd say they have a good reason to get a little uneasy when some random person stands outside their building and just starts filming.
Let's face it, anyone prepared to commit an act of terror is not going to plant a car bomb outside your studio or outside the local Trader Joe's market. They'll target law enforcement and government buildings, as well as financial institutions and locations that draw large numbers of civilians (i.e. international airport, amusement park, sports venue, etc).
So instead of fucking with these guys and rustling their feathers, maybe it'd be best to just give them their space to do their jobs and focus on the people who actually DO pose a threat to our security. If someone wants to argue the legalities of filming a public building, then let them do it in court room. Why mess with the agents who work there and are likely just following a directive handed down to them by their superiors?
(By the way...Soapbox is closed) Terrorists don't use large SLR cameras. Like the rest of us, they have access to computers and Google Earth and Street View. You are defending the waste of time that is known as security theater.
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DOUGLASFOTOS
Posts: 10604
Los Angeles, California, US
Bad Title.
Cops should learn the law!
Better Title
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JQuest
Posts: 2452
Syracuse, New York, US
Eros Fine Art Photo wrote:
Considering the Federal Building in Oklahoma City was bombed in 1995, and several US embassies have been attacked over the subsequent years, I'd say they have a good reason to get a little uneasy when some random person stands outside their building and just starts filming.
Let's face it, anyone prepared to commit an act of terror is not going to plant a car bomb outside your studio or outside the local Trader Joe's market. They'll target law enforcement and government buildings, as well as financial institutions and locations that draw large numbers of civilians (i.e. international airport, amusement park, sports venue, etc).
So instead of fucking with these guys and rustling their feathers, maybe it'd be best to just give them their space to do their jobs and focus on the people who actually DO pose a threat to our security. If someone wants to argue the legalities of filming a public building, then let them do it in court room. Why mess with the agents who work there and are likely just following a directive handed down to them by their superiors?
(By the way...Soapbox is closed) Photography is NOT a crime.
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PDF IMAGES PHOTOGRAPHY
Posts: 4606
Jacksonville, Florida, US
Marin Photography NYC wrote:
NYPD = bad for your health.
They need more than a lesson in photography. They need to be reminded that they are public servants. I too was approached in NYC for taking pictures of an art sculpture inside the main bus terminal, and was told (heavily voiced) "YOU CAN NOT TAKE PICTURES AT ALL, YOU HAVE TO STOP AND LEAVE" ! wow well I did as I am not forcing the issue.
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PDF IMAGES PHOTOGRAPHY
Posts: 4606
Jacksonville, Florida, US
OH I was also approached by mall security in the parking lot for taking pictures of the American flag outside the main entrance, requested to come to the security office and show what I took pictures of ?? well I refused to show them any images I took as they did not have search warrant, I then said I am leaving the property (the mall even though it's public/ it's owned by private interest) so I went to the road way which is maintained by the state via $$$ taxpayers ! and proceeded to take pictures with a long zoom lens, nothing mall security could do !!
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Herman Surkis
Posts: 10856
Victoria, British Columbia, Canada
Don Garrett wrote:
They are training to be the Gestapo when the corporate state gets fully established here. Is anyone here aware that a journalist is going to jail for not disclosing his source, for information that he already published, to the "authorities" ? Right here in the good old USA !
-Don
EDIT: in response to threads that have been posted here. Is anyone aware of the Likelihood of suffering a "terrorist" attack here ? I'd spend my time more wisely, and realistically, worrying about being hit by a meteor ! Stupid straw man diversions. But you forget the purpose of 'Straw men'
Look here, don't look there.
And the purpose of instilling needless fear.
If the people are sufficiently afraid, then they will let the leaders do ANYTHING they want.
It is an old, old game, and seems to work every time.
And they say that people learn. NOT!
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Herman Surkis
Posts: 10856
Victoria, British Columbia, Canada
DOUGLASFOTOS wrote:
Bad Title.
Cops should learn the law!
Better Title /thread.
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Don Garrett
Posts: 4984
Escondido, California, US
Herman Surkis wrote:
But you forget the purpose of 'Straw men'
Look here, don't look there.
And the purpose of instilling needless fear.
If the people are sufficiently afraid, then they will let the leaders do ANYTHING they want.
It is an old, old game, and seems to work every time.
And they say that people learn. NOT! That's exactly what I was saying, (in my edit) - Look at this "issue", not at the fact that we are ripping you off, and giving it all to the special interests, in subsides and 'tax breaks'. There are hundreds of these phony type "issues" that we are constantly being bombarded with in the media, and by our politicians, every day.
It was Goebbels who, famously, said, tell the population that they are being attacked by someone, and you can ALWAYS lead them into accepting a war, (paraphrased, of course). It is time Americans stop being hoodwinked into being led into wars of aggression for the profiteers, resouces, and "stratigic locations" so easily.
-Don
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TomFRohwer
Posts: 1601
Hamburg, Hamburg, Germany
Eros Fine Art Photo wrote:
Let's face it, anyone prepared to commit an act of terror is not going to plant a car bomb outside your studio or outside the local Trader Joe's market. They'll target law enforcement and government buildings, as well as financial institutions and locations that draw large numbers of civilians (i.e. international airport, amusement park, sports venue, etc). Anyone who intents to commit an act of terror against a government buildung would be extremely stupid if he draws attention to himself by filming the building as long as an policer officers steps by asking for an ID card...
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studio36uk
Posts: 22898
Tavai, Sigave, Wallis and Futuna
TomFRohwer wrote:
Anyone who intents to commit an act of terror against a government buildung would be extremely stupid if he draws attention to himself by filming the building as long as an policer officers steps by asking for an ID card... Tom, who the hell needs a photo of the building anyway? You just drive the van up as close as you can and let 'er rip. Bang! Job done.
Studio36
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Herman Surkis
Posts: 10856
Victoria, British Columbia, Canada
Don Garrett wrote:
That's exactly what I was saying, (in my edit) - Look at this "issue", not at the fact that we are ripping you off, and giving it all to the special interests, in subsides and 'tax breaks'. There are hundreds of these phony type "issues" that we are constantly being bombarded with in the media, and by our politicians, every day.
It was Goebbels who, famously, said, tell the population that they are being attacked by someone, and you can ALWAYS lead them into accepting a war, (paraphrased, of course). It is time Americans stop being hoodwinked into being led into wars of aggression for the profiteers, resouces, and "stratigic locations" so easily.
-Don I know that's what you were saying I was just adding a bit. 
I think it may also have been Joseph who said 'if the lie is big enough, and repeated often enough and told loudly enough, they will come to believe it.'
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Herman Surkis
Posts: 10856
Victoria, British Columbia, Canada
Amazing how many people have swallowed the Kool-Aid.
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Virtual Studio
Posts: 6725
Toronto, Ontario, Canada
Eros Fine Art Photo wrote:
Considering the Federal Building in Oklahoma City was bombed in 1995, and several US embassies have been attacked over the subsequent years, I'd say they have a good reason to get a little uneasy when some random person stands outside their building and just starts filming.
Let's face it, anyone prepared to commit an act of terror is not going to plant a car bomb outside your studio or outside the local Trader Joe's market. They'll target law enforcement and government buildings, as well as financial institutions and locations that draw large numbers of civilians (i.e. international airport, amusement park, sports venue, etc).
So instead of fucking with these guys and rustling their feathers, maybe it'd be best to just give them their space to do their jobs and focus on the people who actually DO pose a threat to our security. If someone wants to argue the legalities of filming a public building, then let them do it in court room. Why mess with the agents who work there and are likely just following a directive handed down to them by their superiors?
(By the way...Soapbox is closed) Wow!
Surprised to see someone capitulate so readily to the terrorist agenda.
Personally I dont want to see them win and wont surrender.
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Don Garrett
Posts: 4984
Escondido, California, US
Herman Surkis wrote:
I know that's what you were saying I was just adding a bit.
I think it may also have been Joseph who said 'if the lie is big enough, and repeated often enough and told loudly enough, they will come to believe it.' I don't know if it was Goebbels who said that, but faux "news" sure picked it up and ran with it.
-Don
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JoJo
Posts: 26560
Clearwater, Florida, US
DOUGLASFOTOS wrote:
Bad Title.
Cops should learn the law!
Better Title and many photographers need to lose their testosterone charged arrogance.
Sunday July 20 2014
I was shooting with a photographer outdoors just north of my home in Florida.
A county sheriff pulled in close by and walked over to where we were shooting.
(I was wearing the skimpiest bikini going, but legal - and we had 4 people assisting with reflectors and whatnot)
The sheriff asked what we were doing?
Before the sheriff could finish the photographer had some little booklet pulled from his breast pocket and almost 'charged' the sheriff, waving the booklet in his face, almost shouting, "I have the RIGHT... You have NO business..."
I was almost waiting for "Attica, Attica" - the photographer blew a gasket.
The sheriff asked for everyone's ID - everyone but the photographer politely handed him our IDs. Off he went again, "You have no RIGHT to harass me - you have no this and you have no that". The guy was just about to go ballistic.
The sheriff gave the 4 of us our IDs back and thanked us and wished us a good day.
He then proceed back to his patrol car - on the way he stopped at the photographer's van (out of state plates) and wrote down the plate number.
Off went the photographer again, running over to the sheriff yelling.
The photographer started to poke the sheriff in the chest with his finger/hand - The sheriff had enough - he wrestled with the photographer for a moment then cuffed him and put him in the back of the patrol car and then got on the radio for a moment.
The sheriff walked back to the 4 of us and apologized and was as nice a person as could be... aside from the sweat literally dripping off of him.
The photographer was arrested and charged with several things not related to this incident.
Come on photographers, cops have a hard enough job as it is without having to put up with stuff like this.
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Patrick Walberg
Posts: 45198
San Juan Bautista, California, US
JoJo wrote:
and many photographers need to lose their testosterone charged arrogance.
Sunday July 20 2014
I was shooting with a photographer outdoors just north of my home in Florida.
A county sheriff pulled in close by and walked over to where we were shooting.
(I was wearing the skimpiest bikini going, but legal - and we had 4 people assisting with reflectors and whatnot)
The sheriff asked what we were doing?
Before the sheriff could finish the photographer had some little booklet pulled from his breast pocket and almost 'charged' the sheriff, waving the booklet in his face, almost shouting, "I have the RIGHT... You have NO business..."
I was almost waiting for "Attica, Attica" - the photographer blew a gasket.
The sheriff asked for everyone's ID - everyone but the photographer politely handed him our IDs. Off he went again, "You have no RIGHT to harass me - you have no this and you have no that". The guy was just about to go ballistic.
The sheriff gave the 4 of us our IDs back and thanked us and wished us a good day.
He then proceed back to his patrol car - on the way he stopped at the photographer's van (out of state plates) and wrote down the plate number.
Off went the photographer again, running over to the sheriff yelling.
The photographer started to poke the sheriff in the chest with his finger/hand - The sheriff had enough - he wrestled with the photographer for a moment then cuffed him and put him in the back of the patrol car and then got on the radio for a moment.
The sheriff walked back to the 4 of us and apologized and was as nice a person as could be... aside from the sweat literally dripping off of him.
The photographer was arrested and charged with several things not related to this incident.
Come on photographers, cops have a hard enough job as it is without having to put up with stuff like this. I have gotten so much further in life by being nice and cool headed than I ever would by behaving like that guy! 
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DOUGLASFOTOS
Posts: 10604
Los Angeles, California, US
JoJo wrote:
and many photographers need to lose their testosterone charged arrogance.
Sunday July 20 2014
I was shooting with a photographer outdoors just north of my home in Florida.
A county sheriff pulled in close by and walked over to where we were shooting.
(I was wearing the skimpiest bikini going, but legal - and we had 4 people assisting with reflectors and whatnot)
The sheriff asked what we were doing?
Before the sheriff could finish the photographer had some little booklet pulled from his breast pocket and almost 'charged' the sheriff, waving the booklet in his face, almost shouting, "I have the RIGHT... You have NO business..."
I was almost waiting for "Attica, Attica" - the photographer blew a gasket.
The sheriff asked for everyone's ID - everyone but the photographer politely handed him our IDs. Off he went again, "You have no RIGHT to harass me - you have no this and you have no that". The guy was just about to go ballistic.
The sheriff gave the 4 of us our IDs back and thanked us and wished us a good day.
He then proceed back to his patrol car - on the way he stopped at the photographer's van (out of state plates) and wrote down the plate number.
Off went the photographer again, running over to the sheriff yelling.
The photographer started to poke the sheriff in the chest with his finger/hand - The sheriff had enough - he wrestled with the photographer for a moment then cuffed him and put him in the back of the patrol car and then got on the radio for a moment.
The sheriff walked back to the 4 of us and apologized and was as nice a person as could be... aside from the sweat literally dripping off of him.
The photographer was arrested and charged with several things not related to this incident.
Come on photographers, cops have a hard enough job as it is without having to put up with stuff like this. I have never ever been approached by police officers...in shooting muscle boys in underwear in Venice Beach..Malibu..Underneath the Santa Monica Pier....or even Downtown...Police did ask me in Venice Beach if I was going to have my models do nudes? I said...no only in Malibu do I do that! Off they went.
You can shoot any building you want. Even Federal Buildings and Courthouses!
I have seen on youtube Officers over step the law in place, because they don't know the real laws when it comes time about Photographers right to shoot!
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studio36uk
Posts: 22898
Tavai, Sigave, Wallis and Futuna
Virtual Studio wrote:
Wow! Wow, indeed. "I was just following orders" was not a defence at Nuremberg either.
Studio36
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studio36uk
Posts: 22898
Tavai, Sigave, Wallis and Futuna
Eros Fine Art Photo wrote:
I know I can film just about anything in public. Doesn't mean I'm going to go out of my way to film a federal building and piss off the security officers there just to prove a point. Unless someone can advantage them-self of, and exercise, the freedoms that they do have, testing them when necessary from time to time in both the courts of law and the court of public opinion, they may as well not have them... and though disuse may very well eventually loose them.
Studio36
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Virtual Studio
Posts: 6725
Toronto, Ontario, Canada
JoJo wrote:
and many photographers need to lose their testosterone charged arrogance.
Sunday July 20 2014
I was shooting with a photographer outdoors just north of my home in Florida.
A county sheriff pulled in close by and walked over to where we were shooting.
(I was wearing the skimpiest bikini going, but legal - and we had 4 people assisting with reflectors and whatnot)
The sheriff asked what we were doing?
Before the sheriff could finish the photographer had some little booklet pulled from his breast pocket and almost 'charged' the sheriff, waving the booklet in his face, almost shouting, "I have the RIGHT... You have NO business..."
I was almost waiting for "Attica, Attica" - the photographer blew a gasket.
The sheriff asked for everyone's ID - everyone but the photographer politely handed him our IDs. Off he went again, "You have no RIGHT to harass me - you have no this and you have no that". The guy was just about to go ballistic.
The sheriff gave the 4 of us our IDs back and thanked us and wished us a good day.
He then proceed back to his patrol car - on the way he stopped at the photographer's van (out of state plates) and wrote down the plate number.
Off went the photographer again, running over to the sheriff yelling.
The photographer started to poke the sheriff in the chest with his finger/hand - The sheriff had enough - he wrestled with the photographer for a moment then cuffed him and put him in the back of the patrol car and then got on the radio for a moment.
The sheriff walked back to the 4 of us and apologized and was as nice a person as could be... aside from the sweat literally dripping off of him.
The photographer was arrested and charged with several things not related to this incident.
Come on photographers, cops have a hard enough job as it is without having to put up with stuff like this. Act like an asshole and you should get arrested.
Out of curiosity is your house zoned for commercial use? That maybe why the cop stopped.
In any event it seems like a perfectly right and proper exercise of his power (indeed it is his duty) for the police officer to politely enquire what's going on whenever he sees something out of the ordinary. Of course if given an equally polite and legal explanation he should then proceed on his way.
It almost never pays to get shouty and aggressive with people in authority. You can insist on your rights without becoming a douche.
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Virtual Studio
Posts: 6725
Toronto, Ontario, Canada
PDF IMAGES PHOTOGRAPHY wrote:
I too was approached in NYC for taking pictures of an art sculpture inside the main bus terminal, and was told (heavily voiced) "YOU CAN NOT TAKE PICTURES AT ALL, YOU HAVE TO STOP AND LEAVE" ! wow well I did as I am not forcing the issue. And fair enough. Their bus terminal - their rules. If you had forced the issue you would have lost.
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Michael DBA Expressions
Posts: 3730
Lynchburg, Virginia, US
Eros Fine Art Photo wrote:
Considering the Federal Building in Oklahoma City was bombed in 1995, and several US embassies have been attacked over the subsequent years, I'd say they have a good reason to get a little uneasy when some random person stands outside their building and just starts filming.
Let's face it, anyone prepared to commit an act of terror is not going to plant a car bomb outside your studio or outside the local Trader Joe's market. They'll target law enforcement and government buildings, as well as financial institutions and locations that draw large numbers of civilians (i.e. international airport, amusement park, sports venue, etc).
So instead of fucking with these guys and rustling their feathers, maybe it'd be best to just give them their space to do their jobs and focus on the people who actually DO pose a threat to our security. If someone wants to argue the legalities of filming a public building, then let them do it in court room. Why mess with the agents who work there and are likely just following a directive handed down to them by their superiors?
(By the way...Soapbox is closed) Sorry, Big Guy, Soapbox is not closed. You are off base so far I call "OUT!"
Do a little reading: http://photographyisnotacrime.com
It's true, cops do have a tough job and do deserve some respect. At the same time, however, they are not above the law. And while I do agree strongly that one ought not set about to offend cops on duty, and one ought to treat said officers-of-the-law in a gentlemanly way, one also ought not acquiesce to unreasonable and unlawful demands that trample on one's rights under the law. As with everything else, there is a balance to be struck here, and bad juju will follow those who cannot maintain it.
The photographer @JoJo described fell off the cliff most inappropriately. It should be noted, however, that under Florida law, neither he nor the crew were under any obligation to identify themselves to the sheriff's deputy, since there was no crime being committed.
However, the second he touched the deputy, he committed battery on the deputy, and for that he got arrested. I'm sure they will dig deep for additional charges, and likely will find some.
Photographer
Don Garrett
Posts: 4984
Escondido, California, US
Michael DBA Expressions wrote:
Sorry, Big Guy, Soapbox is not closed. You are off base so far I call "OUT!"
Do a little reading: http://photographyisnotacrime.com
It's true, cops do have a tough job and do deserve some respect. At the same time, however, they are not above the law. And while I do agree strongly that one ought not set about to offend cops on duty, and one ought to treat said officers-of-the-law in a gentlemanly way, one also ought not acquiesce to unreasonable and unlawful demands that trample on one's rights under the law. As with everything else, there is a balance to be struck here, and bad juju will follow those who cannot maintain it.
The photographer @JoJo described fell off the cliff most inappropriately. It should be noted, however, that under Florida law, neither he nor the crew were under any obligation to identify themselves to the sheriff's deputy, since there was no crime being committed.
However, the second he touched the deputy, he committed battery on the deputy, and for that he got arrested. I'm sure they will dig deep for additional charges, and likely will find some. To put it very succinctly, cops should NOT be dicks either. Since their ostensible purpose is to serve, and protect US, and their paychecks come from OUR pockets - they need to show US a reasonable amount of respect also, and stop harassing us at every opportunity, (or every perceived threat we pose to the state). And if/when they become the American Gestapo, the corporate bought, owned, and controlled government, (who trains and militarizes them), will have to stop fleecing us for their paychecks, (nice idea anyway).
-Don
Model
JoJo
Posts: 26560
Clearwater, Florida, US
JoJo wrote:
. Patrick Walberg wrote:
I have gotten so much further in life by being nice and cool headed than I ever would by behaving like that guy! DOUGLASFOTOS wrote:
I have never ever been approached by police officers...in shooting muscle boys in underwear in Venice Beach..Malibu..Underneath the Santa Monica Pier....or even Downtown...Police did ask me in Venice Beach if I was going to have my models do nudes? I said...no only in Malibu do I do that! Off they went.
You can shoot any building you want. Even Federal Buildings and Courthouses!
I have seen on youtube Officers over step the law in place, because they don't know the real laws when it comes time about Photographers right to shoot! Being cool is so much easier and gets you into so much less trouble.
Yes, I have seen youtubes of abusive officers, but many MANY more of citizens being abusive to officers.
There's not enough tea in China to get me to be a cop and take the abuse that many cops receive from law abiding citizens.
To quote Jack Nicholson (Mars Attacks), "Why can't we all just get along?".
Model
JoJo
Posts: 26560
Clearwater, Florida, US
JoJo wrote:
. Virtual Studio wrote:
Act like an asshole and you should get arrested.
Out of curiosity is your house zoned for commercial use? That maybe why the cop stopped.
In any event it seems like a perfectly right and proper exercise of his power (indeed it is his duty) for the police officer to politely enquire what's going on whenever he sees something out of the ordinary. Of course if given an equally polite and legal explanation he should then proceed on his way.
It almost never pays to get shouty and aggressive with people in authority. You can insist on your rights without becoming a douche. This happened just north of my home... as in about 25 miles north.
My back yard isn't quite that big
Model
JoJo
Posts: 26560
Clearwater, Florida, US
Michael DBA Expressions wrote:
Sorry, Big Guy, Soapbox is not closed. You are off base so far I call "OUT!"
Do a little reading: http://photographyisnotacrime.com
It's true, cops do have a tough job and do deserve some respect. At the same time, however, they are not above the law. And while I do agree strongly that one ought not set about to offend cops on duty, and one ought to treat said officers-of-the-law in a gentlemanly way, one also ought not acquiesce to unreasonable and unlawful demands that trample on one's rights under the law. As with everything else, there is a balance to be struck here, and bad juju will follow those who cannot maintain it.
The photographer @JoJo described fell off the cliff most inappropriately. It should be noted, however, that under Florida law, neither he nor the crew were under any obligation to identify themselves to the sheriff's deputy, since there was no crime being committed.
However, the second he touched the deputy, he committed battery on the deputy, and for that he got arrested. I'm sure they will dig deep for additional charges, and likely will find some. Route of least resistance - so much easier to hand the cop my ID rather than telling him that I know my rights.
And just for the record, the arresting sheriff did not charge the photographer with anything that happened in the incident.
Turns out the photographer had several out of state warrants.
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Frank Lewis Photography
Posts: 14492
Winter Park, Florida, US
Herman Surkis wrote:
I know that's what you were saying I was just adding a bit.
I think it may also have been Joseph who said 'if the lie is big enough, and repeated often enough and told loudly enough, they will come to believe it.' No, Dick Cheney said that and continues to ad nauseam...
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Filles de Pin-up
Posts: 3218
Wichita, Kansas, US
JoJo wrote:
and many photographers need to lose their testosterone charged arrogance.
Sunday July 20 2014
I was shooting with a photographer outdoors just north of my home in Florida.
A county sheriff pulled in close by and walked over to where we were shooting.
(I was wearing the skimpiest bikini going, but legal - and we had 4 people assisting with reflectors and whatnot)
The sheriff asked what we were doing?
Before the sheriff could finish the photographer had some little booklet pulled from his breast pocket and almost 'charged' the sheriff, waving the booklet in his face, almost shouting, "I have the RIGHT... You have NO business..."
I was almost waiting for "Attica, Attica" - the photographer blew a gasket.
The sheriff asked for everyone's ID - everyone but the photographer politely handed him our IDs. Off he went again, "You have no RIGHT to harass me - you have no this and you have no that". The guy was just about to go ballistic.
The sheriff gave the 4 of us our IDs back and thanked us and wished us a good day.
He then proceed back to his patrol car - on the way he stopped at the photographer's van (out of state plates) and wrote down the plate number.
Off went the photographer again, running over to the sheriff yelling.
The photographer started to poke the sheriff in the chest with his finger/hand - The sheriff had enough - he wrestled with the photographer for a moment then cuffed him and put him in the back of the patrol car and then got on the radio for a moment.
The sheriff walked back to the 4 of us and apologized and was as nice a person as could be... aside from the sweat literally dripping off of him.
The photographer was arrested and charged with several things not related to this incident.
Come on photographers, cops have a hard enough job as it is without having to put up with stuff like this. A Nation of Sheep
One of the reasons we rebelled against England was British Soldiers were stopping people and ordering them to "show your papers". If no crime is being committed, the police should not be harassing people. What business would allow production to be stopped based on the whim of a cop?
Unfortunately, what we are talking about is the government equating photographers as terrorists. Yes, they think that someone photographing a building, bridge, damn, ..., etc. makes you a terrorist gathering information to blow it up later. It is ludicrous. More innocent people have been killed by police than terrorists. It just doesn't get the same press because it is 1 or 2 at a time, and terrorist attacks are multiple. Terrorist attacks get non stop national news coverage, but a police shooting gets local coverage that day if at all.
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