Koray wrote:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OzM9CqwDvfo

In the step where he merges all of the fishes, i wanted to scream.
Don't do that if working with an agency, ever

Group them

Natalia_Taffarel wrote:

In the step where he merges all of the fishes, i wanted to scream.
Don't do that if working with an agency, ever

Group them

Odd given he does this for a living and knows better

AJScalzitti wrote:

Odd given he does this for a living and knows better

But there's no need to merge them.

If the art director decides to place the copy somewhere where one of the fishes are and asks you to move it... it's a lot more difficult to do so when already merged.

Honestly I like what he does, butI can't find his commercial work anywhere.

(tho I know of very good reasons to hide it when you have it)

Natalia_Taffarel wrote:

But there's no need to merge them.

If the art director decides to place the copy somewhere where one of the fishes are and asks you to move it... it's a lot more difficult to do so when already merged.

Honestly I like what he does, butI can't find his commercial work anywhere.

(tho I know of very good reasons to hide it when you have it)

I recall from another one he works with Rob Grimm a lot, but I believe he retouches under a different company name and not his own personal name.

Natalia_Taffarel wrote:

But there's no need to merge them.

If the art director decides to place the copy somewhere where one of the fishes are and asks you to move it... it's a lot more difficult to do so when already merged.

Honestly I like what he does, butI can't find his commercial work anywhere.

(tho I know of very good reasons to hide it when you have it)

Natalia before screaming and pretending online that "you know everything" and without single advertising composite file in your portfolio try to understand that this is   nice basic tutorial for beginners and for very basic composite work.
He probably merged layers just to show steps in work.

Can I see something similar from you , some commercial advertising composite tutorial to know how you deal with layers ?


Best
ST

ST Retouch wrote:
Natalia before screaming and pretending online that "you know everything" and without single advertising composite file in your portfolio try to understand that this is   nice basic tutorial for beginners and for very basic composite work.
He probably merged layers just to show steps in work.

Can I see something similar from you , some commercial advertising composite tutorial to know how you deal with layers ?


Best


ST

This is an old one



Everything about it is a composite.

It was one of the KI for an international launching and I did this around 6 years ago.

Teaching to amateurs is no reason to do it destructively.

I actually loved the tutorial and I'm going to share the channel in my groups, social media.

But that doesn't mean THAT PARTICULAR part of the tutorial is unnecessary and potentially negative for the learning process.

Edit: I forgot! I posted the dove image because the art director changed its mind about the positioning of the packs and the color so much I prepared the file with reflections and transparencies so they could move it without disrupting the file and change the BG to what ever color they wanted

Natalia_Taffarel wrote:
This is an old one



Everything about it is a composite.

It was one of the KI for an international launching and I did this around 6 years ago.

Teaching to amateurs is no reason to do it destructively.

I actually loved the tutorial and I'm going to share the channel in my groups, social media.

But that doesn't mean THAT PARTICULAR part of the tutorial is unnecessary and potentially negative for thee arming process.

This is basic product photo Natalia, I didn't ask for basic product work with gradient and reflection  I want to see commercial advertising composite tutorial where you have people, flyaway hair, transparent fabric/clothes ,adding elements, scenery, matte painting ,color grading - everything what means advertising composite tutorial.
Do you have it to see how you deal with 100+ layers in workflow when you call all other amateurs.

Do you have something similar so we can teach from you ?

ST Retouch wrote:

This is basic product photo Natalia, I didn't ask for basic product work with gradient and reflection  I want to see commercial advertising composite tutorial where you have people, flyaway hair, transparent fabric/clothes ,adding elements, scenery, matte painting , everything what means advertising composite tutorial.
Do you have it to see how you deal with 100+ layers in workflow when you call all other amateurs.

Do you have something similar so we can teach from you ?

Basic product - for a major brand for advertising use.

That makes it professional

The fact that it could be placed landscape with red bg if needed makes it efficient profesional work.

Efficient professional work does not need to be girls with castles in the back.

The market does not like fantasy, they need efficient professionals working on efficient profesional files.

Think about that

NothingIsRealButTheGirl wrote:
Aaron Nace
https://www.modelmayhem.com/675640

is doing a show on compositing

Photoshop Compositing:
Essential Techniques
with AARON NACE - AUG 18-20
https://www.creativelive.com/courses/ph … aaron-nace

Weird thing is I don't actually give a crap about this. I already know how to composite. Apparently everyone else already knows, too, so lets just forget I started the thread.

I'm going to go back to posting everything in Off Topic regardless of the subject matter.

Natalia_Taffarel wrote:

Basic product - for a major brand for advertising use.

That makes it professional

The fact that it could be placed landscape with red bg if needed makes it efficient profesional work.

Efficient professional work does not need to be girls with castles in the back.

The market does not like fantasy, they need efficient professionals working on efficient profesional files.

Think about that

So you answer is no , you don't provide that level of complex advertising work but you give online lessons on forum by calling all people amateurs.
Natalia I am not 17 years old newbie guy in this job for your stories about market and work:)
Op posted thread for everyone who wants to follow these lessons which is very nice from him  , and you came on thread with your "stories about amateurs".
My suggestion if you want to be in real market watch these upcoming lessons so you can learn how to make advertising composite work.

Best
ST

ST Retouch wrote:

So you answer is no , you don't provide that level of complex advertising work but you give online lessons on forum by calling all people amateurs.
Natalia I am not 17 years old newbie guy in this job for your stories about market and work:)
Op posted thread for everyone who wants to follow these lessons which is very nice from him  , and you came on thread with your "stories about amateurs".
My suggestion if you want to be in real market watch these upcoming lessons so you can learn how to make advertising composite work.

Best
ST

No, you mentioned amateurs.

I simply stated one fraction of a very good video could have been non destructive to make it more efficient.

You have something against me.

I've called you on your bs several times because you keep repeating the sesame thing, thread after thread.

You know why I'm a professional? Because I actually work with agencies and brands.
I get paid for my expertise by brands, production companies and agencies.

You might not be new but you have what seems to be a very strong wrong POV

Photographers are not hacks shooting simple images saved by talented retouchers.

Every great image is the result of a great team.

I actually like this thread because another poster posted a free tutorial that I enjoyed and will share the entire feed of videos from phlearn.

While you keep thinking is all about crappy images shoot by mediocre photographers saved by illustrators/CG artists and retouchers

Natalia_Taffarel wrote:

No, you mentioned amateurs.

I simply stated one fraction of a very good video could have been non destructive to make it more efficient.

You have something against me.

I've called you on your bs several times because you keep repeating the sesame thing, thread after thread.

You know why I'm a professional? Because I actually work with agencies and brands.
I get paid for my expertise by brands, production companies and agencies.

You might not be new but you have what seems to be a very strong wrong POV

Photographers are not hacks shooting simple images saved by talented retouchers.

Every great image is the result of a great team.

I actually like this thread because another poster posted a free tutorial that I enjoyed and will share the entire feed of videos from phlearn.

While you keep thinking is all about crappy images shoot by mediocre photographers saved by illustrators/CG artists and retouchers

Natalia I have nothing against you .

You are the one who often calls people amateurs in almost every thread and full of shit  and again you speak that I think that mediocre and creepy work is good.
When you have no answer -your answer is that people are amateurs and full of shit.
I will write post in other thread what you speak about to explain you how things work in real world .

You say you are professional from industry and that you worked on L'oreal and Revlon Ads , can you please show us that Ads with links?
It is very easy to find online all L'oreal and Revlon beauty Ads .
Can you show us that Ads ?
Can you show us you advertising composite Ads?

Thank you

ST Retouch wrote:
Natalia I have nothing against you .

You are the one who often calls people amateurs in almost every thread and full of shit  and again you speak that I think that mediocre and creepy work is good.
When you have no answer -your answer is that people are amateurs and full of shit.
I will write post in other thread what you speak about to explain you how things work in real world .

You say you are professional from industry and that you worked on L'oreal and Revlon Ads , can you please show us that Ads with links?
It is very easy to find online all L'oreal and Revlon beauty Ads .
Can you show us that Ads ?
Can you show us you advertising composite Ads?

Thank you

Believe it or not, brands like L'Oreal don't like it when the retoucher who did hair composite on a hair product advertising posts PUBLICALY that they did.

Shocking ! Right?

But I recently worked on an ad, was passed on to me by Pratik (solstice) as he could not work on it, we worked with colleague retoucher Carrie been (she did the product illustration, I did the hair compositing)

Pretty sure she doesn't have that in her portfolio either

Natalia_Taffarel wrote:
Believe it or not, brands like L'Oreal don't like it when the retoucher who did hair composite on a hair product advertising posts PUBLICALY that they did.

Shocking ! Right?

No I am not shocking because I know how things work,  I am only shocking with your "explanations".

When I visit main web sites of main retouching agencies I can find there L'oreal and Revlon Ads and I know exactly who works with these Ads.
So you answer doesn't work, sorry.
Do you have links?
I don't ask you before/after work I am not interested for that, just links of your Ads.

Thank you

ST Retouch wrote:
When I visit main web sites of main retouching agencies I can find there L'oreal and Revlon Ads and I know exactly who works with these Ads.
So you answer doesn't work, sorry.
Do you have links?

I can show them, not on a thread where im talking about compositing.

As long as you show the final and not say what was done, is fine.

It's alright tho... I have faith people reading you and me will be smart enough to decide who actually knows.

Cheers

Natalia_Taffarel wrote:
I can show them, not on a thread where im talking about compositing.

As long as you show the final and not say what was done, is fine.

So you don't  want to show L'oreal and Revlon Ads which you claim you worked in many threads on forums  in this thread because this thread is about composite?
Natalia it doesn't work

I have asked you to show us  links , I told you I am not newbie in this job .
So do you have links or you can say sorry I didn't work any main official L'oreal/Revlon Ads, I was just loud on forum.

Thank you

ST Retouch wrote:
So you don't  want to show L'oreal and Revlon Ads which you claim you worked in many threads on forums  in this thread because this thread is about composite?
Natalia it doesn't work

I have asked you to show us  links , I told you I am not newbie in this job .
So do you have links or you can say sorry I didn't work any main official L'oreal/Revlon Ads.

Thank you

Just to shut you up

Google Tatiana Vargas (Colombian TV show host)
L'Oreal Paris

The only one traceable to me BECAUSE the photographer tagged me on FB - I wouldn't put it on my port.

Natalia_Taffarel wrote:

Just to shut you up

Google Tatiana Vargas (Colombian TV show host)
L'Oreal Paris

The only one traceable to me BECAUSE the photographer tagged me on FB because I wouldn't put it on my port.

So main official L'oreal/Revlon ads are tagged on FB , there are no online on official L'oreal/Revlon sites?
L'oreal produce official  main Ads just for Tags between  FB friends ,  you want to say that?

Am I reading correct your unusual explanation?

ST Retouch wrote:

So main official L'oreal/Revlon ads are tagged on FB , there are no online on official L'oreal/Revlon sites?
L'oreal produce official  main Ads just for Tags between  FB friends ,  you want to say that?

Am I reading correct your unusual explanation?

I wouldn't put it because I don't like it as I don't think it represents my work, most commercial assignments don't.

Lol about your official L'Oreal site... Goes to show how much you know.

Every month there's a launching- one campaign done for it.
That's for every country.
That's for every product.

Natalia_Taffarel wrote:
I wouldn't put it because I don't like it as I don't think it represents my work, most commercial assignments don't.

Lol about your official L'Oreal site... Goes to show how much you know.

Every month there's a launching- one campaign done for it.
That's for every country.
That's for every product.

Aha, you latest unusual explanation is that you don't have in your portfolio L'oreal Ads because file doesn't represent your work .
What you will write in next post which lie?

Look Natalia, I know exactly how things work , what is main official L'oreal Ads , what is Local small Ad, and what in online competition where everyone can send file like Photo Vogue.
Again I am 40 years old I am in this business more then 15 years , that't why I asked you to show me your work, because you claim that you work in industry and with main brands, even in this thread you wrote that you are professional who works with main Brands.

So instead of links from official Ads, from advertising composite Ads , you wrote us very unusual explanations which mean that you have never worked any serious AD for any brand.

So at the end am I full of shit guy how you call me that I know nothing or maybe someone else?
You are just to loud on forum  to make people believe that you work some serious Ads in industry.
If I am wrong please provide me link or please stop pretending that you work.

Thank you

ST Retouch wrote:
Aha, you latest unusual explanation is that you don't have in your portfolio L'oreal Ads because file doesn't represent your work .
What you will write in next post ?

Look Natalia, I know exactly how things work , what is main official L'oreal Ads , what is Local small Ad, and what in online competition where everyone can send file like Photo Vogue.
Again I am 40 years old I am in this business more then 15 years , that't why I asked you to show me your work, because you claim that you work in industry and with main brands, even in this thread you wrote that you are professional who works with main Brands.

So instead of links from official Ads, from advertising composite Ads , you wrote us very unusual explanations which mean that you have never worked any serious AD for any brand.

So at the end am I full of shit guy how you call me that I know nothing or maybe someone else?
You are just to loud on forum  to make people believe that you work some serious Ads in industry.
If I am wrong please provide me link or please stop pretending that you work.

Thank you

So... Now an ad for loreal is a small ad for loreal as that's not enough for you

Jajajajajajajajajajajajahahja

4o years and only girls with different bg in your port yet you're calling ME out?

I'm only in my 30's and I have only been working for 8. Touched photoshop for the first time 9 years ago.
I did and do brands you can fucking ask the agency in charge of that ad if you don't believe me.

I'm so done with you

The only reason I call you on your bs is because I lost a lot of time reading people like you when I was not experienced enough to recognize shit.

I'm in this forums and other social media helping people not make the same mistakes that I did.

You are just too filled with excuses to see it.

And most profesionals leave the forums because of people like you.

ST Retouch wrote:
I told you I am not newbie in this job .

In that case you have no excuse.
You're still playing out an elaborate fantasy in which you believe yourself to be one of the big boys. Perhaps you can show us something from your portfolio to lend authority to your arrogant statements. Otherwise one might be excused from thinking that you have a very big mouth but exceedingly poor eyesight.

AKMac wrote:
In that case you have no excuse.
You're still playing out an elaborate fantasy in which you believe yourself to be one of the big boys. Perhaps you can show us something from your portfolio to lend authority to your arrogant statements. Otherwise one might be excused from thinking that you have a very big mouth but exceedingly poor eyesight.

Difference is that I have never wrote in my life on forum that I am "Big Boy" and that I work directly with L'oreal and Revlon or any top brand  like Natalia wrote and I don't have unusual explanations about that.
But when someone claim that he/she works in real industry and give lessons to "us poor amateurs" then is normal to answer on questions.

So you can ask same question to Natalia, she is the one who claims not I.

Best
ST

ST Retouch wrote:

Difference is that I have never wrote in my life on forum that I am "Big Boy" and that I work directly with L'oreal and Revlon or any top brand  like Natalia wrote and I don't have unusual explanations about that.
But when someone claim that he/she works in real industry and give lessons to "us poor amateurs" then is normal to answer on questions.

So you can ask same question to Natalia, she is the one who claims not I.

Best
ST

Don't try to deflect. I'm not asking Natalia anything. I'm asking you. Show something, just anything, that suggests you have any credibility as a retoucher.

Natalia_Taffarel wrote:
Teaching to amateurs is no reason to do it destructively.

I think this is a huge point that needs to be emphasized. Though possibly not directly related to op's initial post (thanks for that).

When teaching anyone amateur or professional, i think those teaching should consider a non destructive workflow/best practise. And in these types of video tutorials i think it should be at least mentioned even if they choose not to follow it for demonstration/time saving/convenience or any other practical non practial purposes, so that their audience are aware of it....

I know it would have made things a lot easier for me learning photoshop through fragmented tutorials and various other sources over the years. In fact i'd put it up there at the top of things to know and be aware of when teaching, learning post processing.

Anyway carry on .

Natalia_Taffarel wrote:
So... Now an ad for loreal is a small ad for loreal as that's not enough for you

Jajajajajajajajajajajajahahja

4o years and only girls with different bg in your port yet you're calling ME out?

I'm only 30 and I have only been working for 8. Touched photoshop for the first time 9 years ago.
I did and do brands you can fucking ask the agency in charge of that ad if you don't believe me.

I'm so done with you

The only reason I call you on your bs is because I lost a lot of time reading people like you when I was not experienced enough to recognize shit.

I'm in this forums and other social media helping people not make the same mistakes that I did.

You are just too filled with excuses to see it.

And most profesionals leave the forums because of people like you.

Like I said above when you don't have answer you call people BS .
How many files I have - I have a lot , but how many files you have in port?
5 and 1/2 portrait files .
I can understand your behavior that your port is full of diversity- from fashion, beauty, cars, airplanes, advertising composite work, CGI ,  and all other genres in advertising work , but there are only 5 portrait files Natalia.
Where are these serious Top Ads from you?
And you speak about industry, with 5 portrait files over white solid background in your port?
Visit any serious retouching agency to see how many files they have, diversity.
I would not discuss about your behavior because I am gentleman who respects all ladies and all people around , so you can call me however you want, but it won't change things.
You just show us your behavior.

Truth is that you have no links to proof us your work and that's reality .
You have never worked any Ads for Top Brands which you claimed on forum.
That speak about you - you pretend on forum that you work in "some industry " and reality is opposite, you have never worked .

Are  professionals leaving  forums because of me or because of people like you which are to loud on forum with calling people BS, amateurs , mediocre, creepy to make other people believe that they work in "some industry" I will leave to others.

And if you are here on forum  like you said to help people with your "advises" , be what you are , do not pretend that you are "representative of some real industry" , because you are not .
How you think that people will trust you in future after your unusual explanations in this thread about a a lot of Top Ads which you have never worked in your life?

Like you wrote in one of your previous posts  , I will copy that - I have faith people reading you and me will be smart enough to decide.

I am finished with this thread I really don't want to continue discussing because if you don't know how to discuss normally it is not necessary to call me like you call me.
It speaks about you , not about me.
I will give you honest advise, main industry is advertising industry , if you want to be part of that game - try to speak truth always  not lies ,don't laugh with people , better behavior and learn advertising composite retouching skills,  without that it won't work.
Maybe on forum until someone asks you to show your Ads which don't exist , but in reality sorry, no.

Best of luck
ST

ST Retouch wrote:
I am finished with this thread I really don't want to continue discussing......

You weren't discussing - you were trying to impress people with your (very dubious) knowledge, and falsely accusing others. And now you just want to walk away. But you haven't responded to my request. You have yet to show any evidence of your credentials as a professional retoucher. Just think yourself lucky that critiques are not allowed on this forum.

Tincture wrote:
So much drama in the Lbc, guys.

Not a bad tutorial.  As was suggested earlier, I would have kept the fish on separate layers until at least a first round placement approval, but since the tutorial was likely targeted to hobbyists, no harm no foul.

There was no tutorial. The event hasn't even happened yet. Plus I erased the reference to it in the OP.

Are you referring to something that was mentioned later in my thread?

Tincture wrote:
So much drama in the Lbc, guys.

Not a bad tutorial.  As was suggested earlier, I would have kept the fish on separate layers until at least a first round placement approval, but since the tutorial was likely targeted to hobbyists, no harm no foul.

That's what I was saying till I got accused of shit

NothingIsRealButTheGirl wrote:
There was no tutorial. The event hasn't even happened yet. Plus I erased the reference to it in the OP.

Are you referring to something that was mentioned later in my thread?

I wrote this from the future.

Tincture wrote:
I wrote this from the future.

DO NOT TRUST PRESIDENT NICK NOLTE. HE IS LYING!

Feverstockphoto wrote:

I think this is a huge point that needs to be emphasized. Though possibly not directly related to op's initial post (thanks for that).

When teaching anyone amateur or professional, i think those teaching should consider a non destructive workflow/best practise. And in these types of video tutorials i think it should be at least mentioned even if they choose not to follow it for demonstration/time saving/convenience or any other practical non practial purposes, so that their audience are aware of it....

I know it would have made things a lot easier for me learning photoshop through fragmented tutorials and various other sources over the years. In fact i'd put it up there at the top of things to know and be aware of when teaching, learning post processing.

Anyway carry on .

I would agree and something we didn't see in that video, but on Aaron's longer ones he has mentioned that he uses multiple saves when he works.  I recall him mentioning in one he was doing the tutorials on a MacBook and not his usual pro tower.

All that said he doesn't talk about that in every one so calling it out to new people is a good idea.

Natalia_Taffarel wrote:
That's what I was saying till I got accused of shit

Unfortunately you were accused of speaking shit by someone who has a fairly large chip on their shoulders. 
I'm pretty sure that the rest of us love you and value your input. 

Warren Joyce wrote:
Unfortunately you were accused of speaking shit by someone who has a fairly large chip on their shoulders. 
I'm pretty sure that the rest of us love you and value your input. 

He brought up some great points though.

For those wondering what is or isn't commercial work or ad agency work, here is a list of the top 25 ones in my area.

http://tcbmag.com/Lists-and-Research/BI … oPid=18833

Yes, I am in MN but the first few and others are pretty big players in the country.




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www.andrewthomasevans.com