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GER Photography
Posts: 8463
Imperial, California, US
Danielle Reid wrote:
You should just delete your social media profiles then My cousins are on FB so I keep it going and check it every couple of weeks, if it's something important they email. I don't have any other accounts other than FB and MM.
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Mark Stout Photography
Posts: 361
Los Angeles, California, US
I think some people need to open their eyes a bit here. It isn't just about a model offering followers in lieu of payment. Many photographers and models trade services for mutual benefit.
It is the whole concept that underlies it. You also have magazines offering "free exposure" in lieu of payment, blogs doing the same, I've even had fashion designers tell me about the wonderful exposure I would get when their campaign was launched. And an ex-commercial client tell me I had to do the shoot free because it was a book and I would get exposure.
The problem? THESE FOLKS ARE OUR CLIENTS. They profit from our work. If we give our work to them free to gain clients, what do we get? More clients wanting free work.
Compare this to other industries. Every time I pull out my iPhone, Apple gets exposure when people see the logo. Why then did they make me pay for it? I drive a Mustang. Ford gets tons of free advertising each time I take it out of the garage. They made sure the word Mustang runs the full side of the car, and the Ford logo occupies the entire back. Why then should I have to pay for it? I'm helping to market them... right?
Exposure is something you get in ADDITION to standard industry rates for the type of work you are doing. If you can't see that, you won't make it far.
Photographer
Patrick Walberg
Posts: 45198
San Juan Bautista, California, US
If you have a business plan that utilizes a large social networking base of "followers" and know how to make money from it, then of course it benefits to trade. If you have a more traditional business that depends on local clients hiring you, then of course all those "followers" will be of little benefit to you.
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The Grand Artist
Posts: 468
Fort Worth, Texas, US
James Jackson Fashion wrote:
Seems like as my dad always said... There's always a bigger expert. There are experts and then there are people that have experience.
No one is telling you that you have to use social media just understand that many people are and are finding success with it. Like anything in life worth having it takes work, talent, and a lot of luck.
Photographer
Mikey McMichaels
Posts: 3356
New York, New York, US
RB Fitness Photography wrote:
What are peoples thoughts on models approaching photographers to arrange a photoshoot but, in lieu of payment, their 100K+ Followers on social media were enough compensation?
Its a fine line, the problem with Followers have their own value if its genuine, but it doesn't guarantee a conversion to paid jobs.
Am I not understanding digital media in preferring the respect and self worth I feel when someone pays in real currency for my time and skills?
When is it appropriate to be paid or not to be paid? It has nothing to do with digital media.
No one can hire you if they haven't heard of you.
There are also people who will hire someone based on who's hired them.
There was a music production team in NYC who'd known of me for years. Then when the single top producer hired me for one track, these guys heard about it and all of a sudden I was their first call.
It's not solely a numbers thing, it can be a status of the photographer thing which gives a third party stamp of approval.
Photographer
Mikey McMichaels
Posts: 3356
New York, New York, US
A-M-P wrote:
How can anyone guarantee that any of her followers would even follow him though it could end up in none of her followers following him. It's not a promise that followers will follow, it's just that they will be seen.
The right exposure is far more valuable than money.
Photographer
Mikey McMichaels
Posts: 3356
New York, New York, US
A-M-P wrote:
Yeah keep thinking that. Most followers on model's pages are fan dudes who like to follow and look at pretty girls and have no interest in hiring a photographer. Sound pretty worthless to me.
Unless it was some major publication or brand giving me a shout out then I would possibly reconsider but a model. Nah no thanks Do you think they don't take the number of followers a photographer has into consideration when they hire?
Photographer
Mikey McMichaels
Posts: 3356
New York, New York, US
udor wrote:
Well... that depends on the circumstances.
I was offered followers instead of payment... and I discussed this with my landlord, if he accepts me having more followers in lieu of rent...
I was lucky... he is a Studio 54 original (was one of the "glitterati" with Warhol) and did a lot of drugs during this time..., so... he did agree... 
But I was lucky and probably the only time on this planet this was acceptable... 
On a serious note... you don't need 100K followers who love to stare at her ass... nothing wrong with that... but if she hooks you up with 5 people in magazines and potential paying clients... that is a whole different story! Certainly you must realize that there are situations when he would, right?
If you shot a blog called 1BR's of NY and he had 1,000 vacant apartments around the city and you were going to post photos with a link to him and he could now rent them without paying a broker's fee, he would for sure.
Photographer
Mikey McMichaels
Posts: 3356
New York, New York, US
BlueMoonPics wrote:
I shoot with a girl that has over 70K followers on her fan page. I haven't gotten any work from taking pictures with her. I think most of the followers are creepy dudes that are in love with her. I dunno. Some of those creepy dudes are following me now.  I've gotten paid work from every place I've posted photos publicly.
How do you know you're not getting paid work from he followers?
Or do you not get unsolicited paid work?
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Mikey McMichaels
Posts: 3356
New York, New York, US
James Jackson Fashion wrote:
The problem is that the facebook generation isn't our client... the people advertising to them is. The problem is that most photographers aren't shooting photos that there's any form of a market for.
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Mikey McMichaels
Posts: 3356
New York, New York, US
A-M-P wrote:
Having a shit ton of followers is not a guaranteed of getting additional work specially when those followers are people who have no interest in the services of a photographer. The people that follow models are not likely to be people looking to hire a photographer since I can bet 90% of those followers are just guys who just follow because she is a pretty girl.
When people pay for advertising they have that advertising targeted at a specific demographic. When I pay for online advertising, I input the demographics of who I want that ad specifically shown to. The people who follow a model are most likely to not fall in that demographic so yes it would be worthless.
I have a friend who has an instagram with over 700K followers he posts pictures of pretty girls he gave me a shout out just for kicks in his page and I gained absolutely nothing. Why because the people that follow him are just dudes looking to look at photos of T&A. People can buy instagram followers. i best most of them aren't real.
I shot a Disney actress who had a decent following. When her movie came out, it hit 70k, and she was able to start making money through her IG posts.
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Llobet Photography
Posts: 4915
Fort Lauderdale, Florida, US
Mikey McMichaels wrote:
I've gotten paid work from every place I've posted photos publicly.
How do you know you're not getting paid work from he followers?
Or do you not get unsolicited paid work? I don't get any paid work at all. 
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Mark C Smith
Posts: 1073
Toronto, Ontario, Canada
The more likes a model's page has, the less likely her posts will reach anybody that matters to me (LOCAL model, boudoir or portrait clients)
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