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Star
Posts: 17966
Los Angeles, California, US
After a shoot was completed the editor of the magazine revealed to me that one of the models was only 17. Ahhh the joys of freelance casting directors.
this was after one of the make-up artists had given her a cigarette and i have photographed her smoking. So, the question is, would you keep an amazing shot of a model smoking if you found out she was underage at the time you shot it?
Just so you know I have always made it clear that under 18's must be with parent or the legal adult guardian, it just turns out that the casting director ignored me and chose to allow the model to come without her legal guardian.
The shots are very interesting, and I didn't initiate the smoking, and I am going to keep them. The question is would you keep them?
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Garry k
Posts: 30129
Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada
Star wrote:
After a shoot was completed the editor of the magazine revealed to me that one of the models was only 1. Ahhh the joys of freelance casting directors.
this was after one of the make-up artists had given her a cigarette and i have photographed her smoking. So, the question is, would you keep an amazing shot of a model smoking if you found out she was underage at the time you shot it?
Just so you know I have always made it clear that under 18's must be with parent or the legal adult guardian, it just turns out that the casting director ignored me and chose to allow the model to come without her legal guardian.
The shots are very interesting, and I didn't initiate the smoking, and I am going to keep them. The question is would you keep them? and You weren't able to discern a " 1 " year old from an adult ?
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Mikey McMichaels
Posts: 3356
New York, New York, US
Yes. Underage actors have smoked in movies. If you couldn't tell this was their first cigarette, then it's probably not. For all you know this model smokes a pack a day.
If it's a question of influencing minors to smoke, I think it's the depiction of smoking more than the age that has an effect. So if that's a consideration, then it would make more sense to not shoot it at all.
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Feverstockphoto
Posts: 623
Belfast, Northern Ireland, United Kingdom
Star wrote:
Just so you know I have always made it clear that under 18's must be with parent or the legal adult guardian, it just turns out that the casting director ignored me and chose to allow the model to come without her legal guardian. I'd be more worried that casting chose to ignore your policy. I'd be having very serious words with this person if you had made that policy clear to them before, very serious words.
Edit: you should also double check this when doing something where it really matters.
As for the images, yes i'd keep them.
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J Jessica
Posts: 2431
Coconut Creek, Florida, US
Star wrote:
Would you keep an amazing shot of a model smoking if you found out she was underage at the time you shot it? I don't like the cigarette industry nor do I support smoking cigarettes.
I wouldn't ever shoot a photo glorifying cigarette smoking.
This is mainly because I am allergic and am aware of the health risks.
A young person (regardless of legal age), be she 17 or 21, should not participate in something as harmful as smoking (anything).
I realize i'm getting off-topic. The answer is no.
Tee-hee 
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howard r
Posts: 527
Los Angeles, California, US
i lost a dear friend to lung cancer this year. she started smoking when she was young and insecure and desperately wanted to be cool. by the time she realized what a load of crap it all was, it was almost impossible to quit.
images. that’s how the tobacco companies pull it off. images that associate a deadly, highly addictive product with youth, beauty and a life of carefree glamour.
at some point you gotta ask yourself: do you really want to help them perpetuate their lies?
oh, and fire the casting director.
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Shadow Dancer
Posts: 9777
Bellingham, Washington, US
So, you are willing to violate your own policy but do not like it when others do the same?
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E Thompson Photography
Posts: 719
Hyattsville, Maryland, US
Out of curiosity, who signed the model release, for that model, or was a release not necessary because it was an editorial shoot?
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Star
Posts: 17966
Los Angeles, California, US
E Thompson Photography wrote:
Out of curiosity, who signed the model release, for that model, or was a release not necessary because it was an editorial shoot? her legal guardian when she was picked up. That was when I found out.
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Star
Posts: 17966
Los Angeles, California, US
Shadow Dancer wrote:
So, you are willing to violate your own policy but do not like it when others do the same? you make no sense. I do not violate my policy, and when doing a shoot always make sure that under 18's have their parent or guardian with them at all times.
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A-M-P
Posts: 18465
Orlando, Florida, US
Star wrote:
After a shoot was completed the editor of the magazine revealed to me that one of the models was only 17. Ahhh the joys of freelance casting directors.
this was after one of the make-up artists had given her a cigarette and i have photographed her smoking. So, the question is, would you keep an amazing shot of a model smoking if you found out she was underage at the time you shot it?
Just so you know I have always made it clear that under 18's must be with parent or the legal adult guardian, it just turns out that the casting director ignored me and chose to allow the model to come without her legal guardian.
The shots are very interesting, and I didn't initiate the smoking, and I am going to keep them. The question is would you keep them? I know that for advertising alcohol & tobacco you have to be 25 and they wont cast a model to advertise either product under that age even if the legal drinking age is 21/18.
"actors or models in cigarettes ad campaigns have to be at the very least 25 years old"
http://www.streetdirectory.com/travel_g … s_not.html
I guess if you want to follow the code you would not use the images of the 17 yr old smoking but that is a decision that is up to you.
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Imageri by Tim Davis
Posts: 1431
Minneapolis, Minnesota, US
A-M-P wrote:
I know that for advertising alcohol & tobacco you have to be 25 and they wont cast a model to advertise either product under that age even if the legal drinking age is 21/18.
"actors or models in cigarettes ad campaigns have to be at the very least 25 years old"
http://www.streetdirectory.com/travel_g … s_not.html
I guess if you want to follow the code you would not use the images of the 17 yr old smoking but that is a decision that is up to you. The shoot had NOTHING to do with the tobacco industry or advertising for it. It was an editorial shoot in which the model was smoking and happened to be 17.
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Herman Surkis
Posts: 10856
Victoria, British Columbia, Canada
J Jessica wrote:
I don't like the cigarette industry nor do I support smoking cigarettes.
I wouldn't ever shoot a photo glorifying cigarette smoking.
This is mainly because I am allergic and am aware of the health risks.
A young person (regardless of legal age), be she 17 or 21, should not participate in something as harmful as smoking (anything).
I realize i'm getting off-topic. The answer is no.
Tee-hee +1
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Christopher Hartman
Posts: 54196
Buena Park, California, US
is smoking limited to 18+? I thought it was 16. Also, ages to purchase I think are different than ages that can consume. I'm not a smoker so I really don't care to look it up. 
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Cherrystone
Posts: 37171
Columbus, Ohio, US
Christopher Hartman wrote:
is smoking limited to 18+? I thought it was 16.
Also, ages to purchase I think are different than ages that can consume.
I'm not a smoker so I really don't care to look it up. Pretty sure it's 18+ across the board.
edit-ok it's not. 19 to purchase in a few stats, 18 in the rest with the exception of 2 specific places that mandate 21.
Interestingly enough the ban is mostly to purchase, it's NOT illegal to smoke them under 18 though in almost all states. That's whacky.
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Giacomo Cirrincioni
Posts: 22232
Stamford, Connecticut, US
I totally wouldn't worry about it. Hell, I'd give her the cigarette if that's the shot I wanted.
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American Glamour
Posts: 38813
Detroit, Michigan, US
I understand the OP's concern. It was illegal for the model to have and smoke a cigarette in her studio. I am not sure what I would do. Then again, what is done is done. You can't unring the bell.
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Photos by Lorrin
Posts: 7026
Eugene, Oregon, US
What is the status of pictures taken of a illegal act and what are the consequences.
I was advised when working for a studio to never show kids with drinks in their hands.
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Cherrystone
Posts: 37171
Columbus, Ohio, US
GPS Studio Services wrote:
I understand the OP's concern. It was illegal for the model to have and smoke a cigarette in her studio. Did you notice my post above?
From what I gathered, which seems nuts to me, it's illegal to buy, but few locations make it illegal to have & smoke them.
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Shadow Dancer
Posts: 9777
Bellingham, Washington, US
Star wrote:
you make no sense. I do not violate my policy, and when doing a shoot always make sure that under 18's have their parent or guardian with them at all times. Star wrote:
After a shoot was completed the editor of the magazine revealed to me that one of the models was only 17. Ahhh the joys of freelance casting directors.
this was after one of the make-up artists had given her a cigarette and i have photographed her smoking. So, the question is, would you keep an amazing shot of a model smoking if you found out she was underage at the time you shot it?
Just so you know I have always made it clear that under 18's must be with parent or the legal adult guardian, it just turns out that the casting director ignored me and chose to allow the model to come without her legal guardian.
The shots are very interesting, and I didn't initiate the smoking, and I am going to keep them. The question is would you keep them?
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American Glamour
Posts: 38813
Detroit, Michigan, US
GPS Studio Services wrote:
I understand the OP's concern. It was illegal for the model to have and smoke a cigarette in her studio. Cherrystone wrote:
Did you notice my post above?
From what I gathered, which seems nuts to me, it's illegal to buy, but few locations make it illegal to have & smoke them. Except Star is in California. Smoking, and for that matter drinking, are similar. To some degree, what you are saying is correct. The problem is providing the cigarette can be illegal. There are other things that can apply by allowing the minor to smoke. Contributing to the delinquency of a minor is possible, but it an unlikely charge. There are, however, a variety of possible corruption charges.
That having been said, I also don't think the photos, by themselves would be enough to warrant a charge. I also doubt that anything will or would happen to her. My comment is that I can see why she feels uncomfortable, not that it is likely that she will have a problem.
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