LeonardG Photography wrote:
that's nothing. photographers are both prostitutes AND pornographers as well.

think about it, isn't it nice to be both at once?

ah, the old mayhem is back.

aren't we all prostitutes in a sense?

sweetcheekscouture wrote:
aren't we all prostitutes in a sense?

well, we are actually multi-talented.

prostitutes
pornographers
creeps
rapists
sex-crazed deviants
mass murders
sinners (the worst)

you can't control what simpletons and idiots think. but it's all art when put on a chapel ceiling, painted over or made in stone

sweetcheekscouture wrote:
I am a little confused as to why you are confused that models would be upset by being compared to prostitutes

Yeah.. this.

The Grand Artist wrote:
... I am a little confused why some, maybe many models are offended when someone compares modeling to being a stripper or a prostitute. ...

Because stripping and prostitution are both considered "sex work", and modeling isn't? And because society (particularly in the USA, but Western society in general; I can't speak to Eastern or other societies) casts "sex work" in a very negative light?

Is it really so surprising that individuals who have to live in society don't want to be looked down on by society?

The Grand Artist wrote:
I am a little confused why some, maybe many models are offended when someone compares modeling to being a stripper or a prostitute.

Perhaps because they are not Strippers, or Prostitutes. 

And they have a real point, in being pissed that somebody would make that assumption that they are equivalent.

As has been pointed out already - they are quite different.

LeonardG Photography wrote:
that's nothing. photographers are both prostitutes AND pornographers as well.

think about it, isn't it nice to be both at once?

ah, the old mayhem is back.

Wait? I'm just a guy with camera.

Looknsee Photography wrote:
FWIW:  Anyone who gets paid money for a job can be considered a prostitute.

You're really minimizing the experiences of sex workers when you compare non-sex workers to them, and doing them a huge disservice. Please dont. The kid working at mcdonalds, the paper pusher in their cubicle in some business park, the bus driver, the major corporation CEO - has no fucking idea what its like to be a prostitute, unless they are ALSO a prostitute.

Prostitution is sex work, not some flowery intellectual way to say you have a job, especially if you're trying to say you have a job you HATE and you only do it for the money, as this is a very tired and incorrect assumption of MANY sex workers.

The Grand Artist wrote:
I am a little confused why some, maybe many models are offended when someone compares modeling to being a stripper or a prostitute.

Well, because the three are distinctly different jobs.  People who lack that understanding like to lump them all together.  Or even if they don't misunderstand, they might have some sort of a moral agenda.

Look at it this way. 

You're in Texas.  I could ignore the very different cultural histories between Texas and Oklahoma, and I could make value judgements, derogatory statements and so on, specifically about Oklahoma. 

Then, I could compare a Texan to an Oklahoman simply because they're in the same region of the country. 

I know plenty of Texans who would bristle at that.

Kent Art Photography wrote:
OP, you are either a troll or you are very misguided.  I'm leaning towards the former...

I am casting my vote for him being a Troll!

Ken Warren Photography wrote:
You're welcome. You asked what seemed like a serious question, and in a moment of weakness several MM residents gave you honest, serious answers.

I suppose in MM terms, that means the sky is falling?

It probably does

The Grand Artist wrote:
I am a little confused why some, maybe many models are offended when someone compares modeling to being a stripper or a prostitute.

Life must be VERY confusing for you if this is the case.

Apples and oranges. Is the receptionist in your dentist's office also a someone you compare with prostitutes? The teacher's aid at your kid's school---do you compare her with a prostitute?

Different jobs, with different tasks, with different products.

Your post makes it very obvious that you consider strippers or prostitutes in a very negative light, so it it is obvious your comparison would be intended to insult or demean.

The troll is VERY strong in this thread.

Looknsee Photography wrote:
FWIW:  Anyone who gets paid money for a job can be considered a prostitute.

Not in the sense of the word, really.  It's when you do something for money that runs against your basic nature...that is when you prostitute yourself.

Kent Art Photography wrote:
OP, you are either a troll or you are very misguided.  I'm leaning towards the former...

History would suggest the first, but some of the second is always possible

David Stone Imaging wrote:
Some insight into OP's thread....

1.  He has let his belief system be known in other recent threads, and he believes nudity is wrong.  Anyone that participates in any nude-related activity is in the same boat together.

2.  On a recent thread about high modeling rates...where OP participated...a model expressed her discust that it only took one post for models to be compared to hookers.  Now then...models weren't compared to hookers...the rate systems were compared to one another.  For instance, when a new model with no port or experience says she wants $400/hr to model nude...when the average I pay is 75 to 100...I think of that as an escort rate...or even a porn rate.

I do not believe I have ever said that nudity was wrong. I have stated several times that it is not an interest of mine and that it seems to be the only thing most people that comment in the forums are interested.

The thread you are referencing had a comment from a model upset at a photographer comparing a model to a prostitute. I have seen many comments in other threads where a model is upset at being compared to a stripper. Since the prevailing opinion on in the forums seems to be that there is nothing wrong with being a stripper or prostitute I asked the question why then was it offensive to them to be called such? Would a actor be offended if called a model. Would a dancer be offended if called a singer? Would a photographer be offended if called an artist? 

I do appreciate the well thought out answers I received.

Looknsee Photography wrote:
FWIW:  Anyone who gets paid money for a job can be considered a prostitute.

Laura UnBound wrote:
You're really minimizing the experiences of sex workers when you compare non-sex workers to them, and doing them a huge disservice. Please dont. The kid working at mcdonalds, the paper pusher in their cubicle in some business park, the bus driver, the major corporation CEO - has no fucking idea what its like to be a prostitute, unless they are ALSO a prostitute.

Prostitution is sex work, not some flowery intellectual way to say you have a job, especially if you're trying to say you have a job you HATE and you only do it for the money, as this is a very tired and incorrect assumption of MANY sex workers.

We'll have to agree to disagree.  It's not meant as a disservice -- it's meant to indicate that as long as your skill, education, body, whatever is available for hire, that's no different, regardless of whether you are a fireman, a dish washer, a sex worker, a model, a photographer, a CEO, a "paper pusher" (which sounds like a derogatory term), etc.  For those of us who have a Boss (who can dictate what we do & when we do it & how we do it), we are all selling ourselves.  I see no difference.

Looknsee Photography wrote:
FWIW:  Anyone who gets paid money for a job can be considered a prostitute.

David Stone Imaging wrote:
Not in the sense of the word, really.  It's when you do something for money that runs against your basic nature...that is when you prostitute yourself.

Sex is not against most people's basic nature.  Indeed, I'm pretty sure that each of us is a byproduct of sex.

I'm pretty sure I'm not understanding your point.

Looknsee Photography wrote:
We'll have to agree to disagree.  It's not meant as a disservice -- it's meant to indicate that as long as your skill, education, body, whatever is available for hire, that's no different, regardless of whether you are a fireman, a dish washer, a sex worker, a model, a photographer, a CEO, a "paper pusher" (which sounds like a derogatory term), etc.  For those of us who have a Boss (who can dictate what we do & when we do it & how we do it), we are all selling ourselves.  I see no difference.

You dont see a difference in the way all of those jobs except prostitution are acceptable forms of employment in like…the whole entire world. You dont see the way prostitutes are discriminated against, criminalized, assaulted, murdered, marginalized, looked down on, stereotyped, etc etc etc and those other jobs aren't?

Yeah I guess its really hard to see the difference between having sex with strangers for money and running a gas station or walking dogs. The difference between offering your body for an often very invasive and sometimes dangerous use by others in what most would consider a pretty intimate personal manner, and using a shovel at a construction site or sitting at a desk all day typing. They're like almost impossible to tell apart.


Its like standing next to a woman in her 12th hour of childbirth with no painkillers and saying that because you have a paper cut, you suppose we all experience the same kind of pain. Its insulting, and it erases the issues and struggles that exist in REAL prostitution and other sex work, erasing sex workers hardships, which is then, again, really insulting.

David Stone Imaging wrote:

Not in the sense of the word, really.  It's when you do something for money that runs against your basic nature...that is when you prostitute yourself.

Thats operating under the incorrect assumption that sex workers hate their line of work and only do it because they have no other choice.

Sure, SOME, a very small portion, wind up in sex work because they dont know what else there is for them. Most actively choose sex work because they enjoy it and it fits their needs. They're not "going against their basic nature" for work.

The Grand Artist wrote:
I am a little confused why some, maybe many models are offended when someone compares modeling to being a stripper or a prostitute.

i too am a little confused why some, maybe many photographers (of models) are
offended when someone compares photographing a model to being 'a john'

Looknsee Photography wrote:
FWIW:  Anyone who gets paid money for a job can be considered a prostitute.

If you trade your camera for my car, which of us is a prostitute?

If you pay me for my car, am I a prostitute?

If you pay me to mow your lawn, am I a prostitute?

There is nothing demeaning about a fair exchange.

"The labourer is worthy of his hire."

Laura UnBound wrote:
You dont see a difference in the way all of those jobs except prostitution are acceptable forms of employment in like…the whole entire world. You dont see the way prostitutes are discriminated against, criminalized, assaulted, murdered, marginalized, looked down on, stereotyped, etc etc etc and those other jobs aren't?

"Acceptable"?  Some people find Republicans, Democrats, gays, blacks, the rich, the poor, Muslims, post office workers, lawyers, etc. etc. etc. "unacceptable".  Some people shoot unarmed black teenagers.  And let's not forget that prostitution is illegal in most jurisdictions.  Human being need little motivation to discriminate against a group in which they do not belong.  My point -- life is rough all over.

Laura UnBound wrote:
Yeah I guess its really hard to see the difference between having sex with strangers for money and running a gas station or walking dogs. The difference between offering your body for an often very invasive and sometimes dangerous use by others in what most would consider a pretty intimate personal manner, and using a shovel at a construction site or sitting at a desk all day typing. They're like almost impossible to tell apart.

Warning:  I do not respond well to sarcasm.  I used to be a fireman -- that, too, was dangerous. 

Laura UnBound wrote:
Its like standing next to a woman in her 12th hour of childbirth with no painkillers and saying that because you have a paper cut, you suppose we all experience the same kind of pain. Its insulting, and it erases the issues and struggles that exist in REAL prostitution and other sex work, erasing sex workers hardships, which is then, again, really insulting.

Now, be fair -- I didn't say that at all.  Your analogy has nothing to do with my point or what I intended to say.  Prostitution is a dangerous occupation, I agree.  But if you sell your skill, passion, talent, body for money, under certain circumstances, you can be considered a prostitute.  The dictionary has a definition:  a person who willingly uses his or her talent or ability in a base and unworthy way, usually for money.  That's a definition that can be applied to non-sex workers, too -- for example, an MMA fighter.