Model
Skyler Bleu
Posts: 527
San Jose, California, US
I can't figure out what's going on. I worked with this super awesome photographer a few weeks ago and I only got back two unedited raw files. I asked him a week ago about getting a few edited photos from that photo shoot and he told me he was busy (a TON of excuses) and that he would edited the photos a few days ago. BTW I don't have him on here he's my FB photographer! Anyway, I understand being "busy" or what not but I don't know how he's so busy he's had time to edit a ton of other photos since my shoot with him. In case you are wondering, some of those photos I definitely feel/believe are amazing photos that need little editing and could seriously improve our portfolio's.
I totally understand that some photographer take more time to edit photos. However, I've shot with him 3 times and out of those 3 days I've only received 2 edited and two unedited photos. So what's going on? Did he not like them? Is he mad at me or something?
Why does a photographer have so much time to edit other photos but not mine?
Model
Laura UnBound
Posts: 28745
Toronto, Ontario, Canada
why do you keep working with someone who doesnt provide useable images in a timely manner?
if those 'tons" of other photos are from shoots he did before yours, or are for paying clients, then you wait.
Or he doesnt like them/feel like working on them and you should stop shooting with him. You have to cut your losses and move on, you're not going to MAKE him give you images and even if you could, he wouldnt edit them in a way thats pleasing if he's being forced into it.
check references next time and find out from other models if they got images they liked, how it was agreed upon, in a reasonable amount of time.
Photographer
A-M-P
Posts: 18465
Orlando, Florida, US
The photos he is editing are probably paid clients or shoots he did prior to yours. Just sit and wait your turn patiently.
Photographer
Chuckarelei
Posts: 11271
Seattle, Washington, US
Laura UnBound wrote:
why do you keep working with someone who doesnt provide useable images in a timely manner? I'll say that too.
Photographer
Desert Rose Photography
Posts: 170
Buena Park, California, US
What was the shoot for?
Was it a paid shoot?
Did he pay you, or you pay him?
Is he a full time photographer, or is this a side thing?
What was agreed upon ahead of time?
Model
MelissaAnn
Posts: 3971
Seattle, Washington, US
Chuckarelei wrote:
I'll say that too. A few weeks is not a lot of time to wait. Many photographers are behind several shoots on editing/retouching, so several weeks is not an uncommon turnaround. The images you're seeing the photographer edit that aren't yours could be for paying clients, or from previous model shoots that took priority to yours.
Try to be parient, and communicate with the photographer to see if you can get an estimated time frame to expect your images.
Photographer
Doctor Haze Chavenstein
Posts: 95
San Diego, California, US
all of the above could be what is going on. also the photos can be so good that he does not want to share them  i have the opposite problem that you are having. i cant get the people i shoot to get their pictures! i have 3 sessions that collecting dust because i cant get the girls to respond to my pm's, phone calls or emails. sigh.. best of luck.
Photographer
myfotographer
Posts: 3700
Fresno, California, US
I think you are reaching a bit to know what this amazing photographer is doing, when and with whom.
Paid work always takes priority.
Photographer
Abbitt Photography
Posts: 13562
Washington, Utah, US
How many edited photos did he promise and in what time frame did he promise them?
It's hard to evaluate his actions or offer suggestions without knowing what the initial agreement was.
Retoucher
LightFeatherRetouch
Posts: 445
Bratislava, Bratislavský, Slovakia
You worked with a super awesome photographer. Most of them are highly selective, extremely self critical, who push themselves to the limit in edition time.
Typically you have two options, work with Joe the guy with camera, who gives you all right after the shoot and doesn't give a damn. Or work with with people who have amazing portfolios, but don't expect them to give you a dozen of edited images. 1 single high level retouch for beauty for example can take between 20 to 30 hours to complete (I mean one single image).
From a session with 400 images, someone with a really solid portfolio from years of development, 1 or 2 (if any) will be portfolio worthy. Most TF sessions will generate nothing, other than a massive waste of time.
So in resume, you have 2 edited images, plus 2 straight from camera. It's been 5 weeks. If this guy is as amazing as you say he is, it's not because he edits 20 per session, it's because he takes a serious time per image. If you ask a number beyond reasonable edition time, he will have to take short cuts. If you keep pestering asking for photos, you can expect a crap dump just to shut you off, and also to be the last time working with him and to never be recommended to anyone, for the reason of being... a pest that doesn't let you breath for a minute.
My advice is:
1) If you want to work with people who value quality, don't expect numbers. Expect them to be motivated only if you can also offer something worthy of portfolio, even if it is 1 or 2 per session, which is already a victory. 99% of times, anything beyond 1 or 2, will be a huge waste of time for an advanced photographer. A task that consists in cursing in from of a computer, spending days editing crap that is 4th best, 7th best, 9th best... Beginners and GWCs have no problem with this because they simply don't edit at all or don't spend too long on them.
2) Don't pester. There is nothing more demoralizing that having a model asking you for photos over and over. If he is already working on something that he won't even use, having that someone annoying you every day, won't help the images or you look better, perhaps the opposite.
3) If you want far more than someone can provide by trade (like if you want 10 edits from a guy that will have to edit them all and only use 1 or 0 out of them), perhaps consider paying for it, just as you solicit payment for something that is not of your interest?
Photographer
Herman Surkis
Posts: 10856
Victoria, British Columbia, Canada
MelissaAnn wrote:
A few weeks is not a lot of time to wait. Many photographers are behind several shoots on editing/retouching, so several weeks is not an uncommon turnaround. The images you're seeing the photographer edit that aren't yours could be for paying clients, or from previous model shoots that took priority to yours.
Try to be parient, and communicate with the photographer to see if you can get an estimated time frame to expect your images. I draw the line at several years.
I work really hard to never get more than 2 years behind.
Photographer
wynnesome
Posts: 5453
Long Beach, California, US
He's your Facebook photographer?
Try working with a professional photographer, not a "facebook" photographer.
And if you want to know exactly how many images you'll be getting, in what format and in what time frame, hire a photographer who puts that agreement in writing before confirming the shoot.
Model
Isis22
Posts: 3557
Muncie, Indiana, US
He might well be mad at you for pestering him. Once upon a time I shot with a great photographer who uses film, platinum processing to boot. He did a 3 day shoot at an amazing location. He told everyone it would take at least a month for their shots and to not pester him and to not post any photos until everyone got them. Someone pestered and someone else posted some of theirs. In response he refused to give anyone anything for several more weeks. They acted like brats and so we all suffered for it. It's in your best interest to be patient. If you KNEW how he operated and were not happy with his arrangement why on earth did you continue working with him? BTW, if I get 1 great photo from a shoot I am happy as a clam. I also don't worry about what other models are getting or not getting.
Photographer
E H
Posts: 847
Calgary, Alberta, Canada
Skyler Bleu wrote:
I can't figure out what's going on. I worked with this super awesome photographer a few weeks ago and I only got back two unedited raw files. I asked him a week ago about getting a few edited photos from that photo shoot and he told me he was busy (a TON of excuses) and that he would edited the photos a few days ago. BTW I don't have him on here he's my FB photographer! Anyway, I understand being "busy" or what not but I don't know how he's so busy he's had time to edit a ton of other photos since my shoot with him. In case you are wondering, some of those photos I definitely feel/believe are amazing photos that need little editing and could seriously improve our portfolio's.
I totally understand that some photographer take more time to edit photos. However, I've shot with him 3 times and out of those 3 days I've only received 2 edited and two unedited photos. So what's going on? Did he not like them? Is he mad at me or something?
Why does a photographer have so much time to edit other photos but not mine? Did you pay the photographer, paying clients are done first... You should never get unedited image unless in the contact. Set up what you get and when you get it,, before the shoot.
EH
Model
Skyler Bleu
Posts: 527
San Jose, California, US
A-M-P wrote:
The photos he is editing are probably paid clients or shoots he did prior to yours. Just sit and wait your turn patiently. Nope, these photos have been for his
"late night shoot"
"early morning shoot"
"last minute shoot"
Some others have been from his paid work, that, I totally get.
Model
Skyler Bleu
Posts: 527
San Jose, California, US
Chuckarelei wrote:
I'll say that too. I love the two photos he provided on my 2nd shoot. I understand if the test shoot didn't work out and they were all throw0ways.
Model
Skyler Bleu
Posts: 527
San Jose, California, US
Desert Rose Photography wrote:
What was the shoot for?
Was it a paid shoot?
Did he pay you, or you pay him?
Is he a full time photographer, or is this a side thing?
What was agreed upon ahead of time? It was a TFP/collaborative shoot.
He's a full time professional photographer.
We didn't agree on anything, I liked the photos from the time before..... I normally don't have to nag and ask for photos.
Model
Skyler Bleu
Posts: 527
San Jose, California, US
MelissaAnn wrote:
A few weeks is not a lot of time to wait. Many photographers are behind several shoots on editing/retouching, so several weeks is not an uncommon turnaround. The images you're seeing the photographer edit that aren't yours could be for paying clients, or from previous model shoots that took priority to yours.
Try to be parient, and communicate with the photographer to see if you can get an estimated time frame to expect your images. I know the photos that are for paying clients and the ones from the models who I definitely know are not paying clients. Shoots that have been done after I shot with him. I usually don't mind waiting a few weeks but having time to edit
"last nights fun shoot" with his nonpaying models?
Model
Skyler Bleu
Posts: 527
San Jose, California, US
Doctor Haze Chavenstein wrote:
all of the above could be what is going on. also the photos can be so good that he does not want to share them
i have the opposite problem that you are having. i cant get the people i shoot to get their pictures! i have 3 sessions that collecting dust because i cant get the girls to respond to my pm's, phone calls or emails. sigh..
best of luck. I didn't know there was such things as an opposite problem!
Model
Skyler Bleu
Posts: 527
San Jose, California, US
LightFeatherRetouch wrote:
You worked with a super awesome photographer. Most of them are highly selective, extremely self critical, who push themselves to the limit in edition time.
Typically you have two options, work with Joe the guy with camera, who gives you all right after the shoot and doesn't give a damn. Or work with with people who have amazing portfolios, but don't expect them to give you a dozen of edited images. 1 single high level retouch for beauty for example can take between 20 to 30 hours to complete (I mean one single image).
From a session with 400 images, someone with a really solid portfolio from years of development, 1 or 2 (if any) will be portfolio worthy. Most TF sessions will generate nothing, other than a massive waste of time.
So in resume, you have 2 edited images, plus 2 straight from camera. It's been 5 weeks. If this guy is as amazing as you say he is, it's not because he edits 20 per session, it's because he takes a serious time per image. If you ask a number beyond reasonable edition time, he will have to take short cuts. If you keep pestering asking for photos, you can expect a crap dump just to shut you off, and also to be the last time working with him and to never be recommended to anyone, for the reason of being... a pest that doesn't let you breath for a minute.
My advice is:
1) If you want to work with people who value quality, don't expect numbers. Expect them to be motivated only if you can also offer something worthy of portfolio, even if it is 1 or 2 per session, which is already a victory. 99% of times, anything beyond 1 or 2, will be a huge waste of time for an advanced photographer. A task that consists in cursing in from of a computer, spending days editing crap that is 4th best, 7th best, 9th best... Beginners and GWCs have no problem with this because they simply don't edit at all or don't spend too long on them.
2) Don't pester. There is nothing more demoralizing that having a model asking you for photos over and over. If he is already working on something that he won't even use, having that someone annoying you every day, won't help the images or you look better, perhaps the opposite.
3) If you want far more than someone can provide by trade (like if you want 10 edits from a guy that will have to edit them all and only use 1 or 0 out of them), perhaps consider paying for it, just as you solicit payment for something that is not of your interest? Okay, so here's the scoop.
I've shot with him 3 times.
1st time it was a test I got nothing--- all throwaways
2nd shoot I got two photos that night --
3rd shoot---
I'm not expecting 10 images. I'm expecting a few nicely edited photos. I spent about 6 hours that day shooting and wore about 4 designer items (from some designers I model for) and about 4 of my own outfits then a last minute creative idea.
I understand quality over quantity I really do.
Model
Skyler Bleu
Posts: 527
San Jose, California, US
wynnesome wrote:
He's your Facebook photographer?
Try working with a professional photographer, not a "facebook" photographer.
And if you want to know exactly how many images you'll be getting, in what format and in what time frame, hire a photographer who puts that agreement in writing before confirming the shoot. He is a professional photographer. By Facebook photographer I mean that I don't talk to him on here I have him as my FB friend. I haven't had much luck with mm for a while.
Photographer
Random Image
Posts: 335
Pocatello, Idaho, US
Dont forget that its also wedding season. I am sooooo behind right now it isnt even funny.
And what others have said about sitting on great images is true too. I have some fantastic shots that I am waiting to edit until I have a 4 or 5 hour block of time to do it right.
Model
Skyler Bleu
Posts: 527
San Jose, California, US
Random Image wrote:
Dont forget that its also wedding season. I am sooooo behind right now it isnt even funny.
And what others have said about sitting on great images is true too. I have some fantastic shots that I am waiting to edit until I have a 4 or 5 hour block of time to do it right. Thank you! Yes, it is wedding season 
Photographer
Nico Simon Princely
Posts: 1972
Las Vegas, Nevada, US
He's Busy. We have to pay bills also and paid clients always come first. The fact that he gave you what he gave you so far shows you that he's not trying to screw you over.
Editing is not always fast. And after sitting in front of a computer for 8-10 hours, you don't always feels like doing one more. I'd say give him some time and I think in this case you'll get your photos.
Model
Amber Dawn - Indiana
Posts: 6255
Salem, Indiana, US
A-M-P wrote:
The photos he is editing are probably paid clients or shoots he did prior to yours. Just sit and wait your turn patiently. Why do photographers do that!?!? Keep taking on more and more work that one cant handle.
Photographer
Art Silva
Posts: 10064
Santa Barbara, California, US
Amber Dawn - Colorado wrote:
Why do photographers do that!?!? Keep taking on more and more work that one cant handle. I'm guessing it's their livelihood or it at leasts pays the bills, and telling the steady paying client No on a deadline means loosing that client for good and that money that is counted on for reasons mentioned.
Model
Skyler Bleu
Posts: 527
San Jose, California, US
Art Silva wrote:
I'm guessing it's their livelihood or it at leasts pays the bills, and telling the steady paying client No on a deadline means loosing that client for good and that money that is counted on for reasons mentioned. But like I've mentioned in another comment. He's had time to edit last minute photoshoots with other models who I personally know and know those shoots weren't paid.
The paid work goes first thing I understand. The "late night fun shoot" with a nonpaying model....
Retoucher
LightFeatherRetouch
Posts: 445
Bratislava, Bratislavský, Slovakia
There are many factors to have in account:
1) How much time does a photo take to edit, what are the intentions of that image.
2) How much do you feel motivated to edit a certain image or how you prefer to organize your work.
For point 1.
Let's say a beauty image, a nude in studio, an outdoor photo. Speaking for my own way of working, a make-up close up for example, vs a nude in studio, first case could take 20 hours for a pixel perfect image. A nude (full body) will take 8 hours. The difference is how you work on an image maximized at 100%, first case is worked almost a skin pore level. The second is work by gross range.
Still on this, let's say I have an amazing beauty image, but hair got messy while moving. Fixing a close-up of a messy hair or poorly executed eye shadow can take a long time, and will have to be done with patience. I may love that image, but it will take me time, while there are images not so great, but which have less problems to fix. So at this point let's just say that different types of images take a completely different amount of work. So having this in mind let's move to point 2.
How you organize your work and motivation to edit and deliver:
For trade work, motivation counts. Is this a TF which I don't want to use or value that much, but need to get it done to get it off my back, or is it something for keeps.
Models often assume TF as (time for), compensation for time. The reality of things, is that it doesn't work that way. Photographers trade for valuable images, not for the models time, which is a completely useless metric if the model doesn't provide something of perceptual value. In that case when I see them around here claiming that a photographer "wasted her valuable time" (non-delivery or delivery of non/rush-edited images), the only thing I read is [I wasted his time].
Motivation aside we need to account other things regarding organization of work:
I may opt to edit TF images that are worthless first. Rational is I will do quick edits and get this crap of my back so I can then focus on the real thing and take my time to do something patiently for keeps. In this case, I can deliver images of a time wasting TF in 48 hours, while a TF for keeps could happen after a month.
Equally I can deliver images that can be edited in 2 hours, such as an outdoor shoot first, to then focus on more complex time consuming edits after (such as an elaborate make-up /hair concept).
You said he did a late night session edit first? Could mean everything or nothing, could just mean that it's a quick edit type of images, could mean many other things.
Photographer
Fred Ackerman
Posts: 292
Fort Lauderdale, Florida, US
Although I always try to get any 'test' models shoot completed within a month, things come up! That's why I limit my testing to perhaps six models per year. Commercial clients pay for fast turnarounds and they also pay the 'freight' allowing me to test. Then again I have a 'built' in muse to keep my 'somewhat' creative tendencies flowing.
Photographer
L O C U T U S
Posts: 1746
Bangor, Maine, US
Skyler Bleu wrote:
I can't figure out what's going on. I worked with this super awesome photographer a few weeks ago and I only got back two unedited raw files. I asked him a week ago about getting a few edited photos from that photo shoot and he told me he was busy (a TON of excuses) and that he would edited the photos a few days ago. BTW I don't have him on here he's my FB photographer! Anyway, I understand being "busy" or what not but I don't know how he's so busy he's had time to edit a ton of other photos since my shoot with him. In case you are wondering, some of those photos I definitely feel/believe are amazing photos that need little editing and could seriously improve our portfolio's.
I totally understand that some photographer take more time to edit photos. However, I've shot with him 3 times and out of those 3 days I've only received 2 edited and two unedited photos. So what's going on? Did he not like them? Is he mad at me or something?
Why does a photographer have so much time to edit other photos but not mine? You didnt mention any agreement prior, so I will assume you didn't have a set agreement .
If you had paid him, you'd have a right to be upset.
BUT a freebie shoot is a "do when ya feel like it" shoot. IE: When he gets in the mood to edit, and send some photos, he'll do so.
NOW I KNOW that sucks to hear. And it sucks going through such a thing.
PLEASE, USE THIS AS A LEARNING EXPERIENCE!
ALWAYS ALWAYS ALWAYS, have an agreement, SPECIFIC AND DETAILED, before doing a shoot. say something like; """In exchange for me modeling for you, I want, ____ amount of photos edited and delivered to me within __ weeks after the shoot." is a good place to start.
Don't expect something on your time table, when you didn't agree upon a time table.
Hope this helps.
Photographer
Laura Elizabeth Photo
Posts: 2253
Rochester, New York, US
MelissaAnn wrote:
A few weeks is not a lot of time to wait. Many photographers are behind several shoots on editing/retouching, so several weeks is not an uncommon turnaround. The images you're seeing the photographer edit that aren't yours could be for paying clients, or from previous model shoots that took priority to yours.
Try to be parient, and communicate with the photographer to see if you can get an estimated time frame to expect your images. I'm all for getting priority work done and being understanding that things come up but if a photographer is already backlogged with work for a month before the shoot starts then they either shouldn't be booking new shoots for their personal portfolio or should let the model know ahead of time 'hey I have a months worth of work to do before I can get to yours' and at that point they should actually deliver the shoots, which it doesn't sounds like is happening in the OP's case.
I'm just a little jaded because I'm good friends with a photographer that does this very often and what she really does is ends up not liking a shoot so she just books something new and acts like she's too busy to ever get to it and the models never get any images or at best 1 image from a 6 hour shoot 3 months later. She's even shown me half done or even finished images she never gives to them because she doesn't like them and doesn't want them public. Sorry, I wanna tell you just to be patient but I just don't trust photographers that regularly can't get work to clients in a timely fashion.
Photographer
Isaiah Brink
Posts: 2328
Charlotte, North Carolina, US
Skyler Bleu wrote:
I can't figure out what's going on. I worked with this super awesome photographer a few weeks ago and I only got back two unedited raw files. I asked him a week ago about getting a few edited photos from that photo shoot and he told me he was busy (a TON of excuses) and that he would edited the photos a few days ago. BTW I don't have him on here he's my FB photographer! Anyway, I understand being "busy" or what not but I don't know how he's so busy he's had time to edit a ton of other photos since my shoot with him. In case you are wondering, some of those photos I definitely feel/believe are amazing photos that need little editing and could seriously improve our portfolio's.
I totally understand that some photographer take more time to edit photos. However, I've shot with him 3 times and out of those 3 days I've only received 2 edited and two unedited photos. So what's going on? Did he not like them? Is he mad at me or something?
Why does a photographer have so much time to edit other photos but not mine? Well, I gotta ask, what was the agreement prior to the shoot on this subject? And if he didn't give any images from the first 2 shoots, then why did you continue to work with him? I also am curious, did you pay him or did he pay you, or was it a tfp/cd shoot?
Photographer
Herman Surkis
Posts: 10856
Victoria, British Columbia, Canada
LightFeatherRetouch wrote:
You worked with a super awesome photographer. Most of them are highly selective, extremely self critical, who push themselves to the limit in edition time.
Typically you have two options, work with Joe the guy with camera, who gives you all right after the shoot and doesn't give a damn. Or work with with people who have amazing portfolios, but don't expect them to give you a dozen of edited images. 1 single high level retouch for beauty for example can take between 20 to 30 hours to complete (I mean one single image).
From a session with 400 images, someone with a really solid portfolio from years of development, 1 or 2 (if any) will be portfolio worthy. Most TF sessions will generate nothing, other than a massive waste of time.
So in resume, you have 2 edited images, plus 2 straight from camera. It's been 5 weeks. If this guy is as amazing as you say he is, it's not because he edits 20 per session, it's because he takes a serious time per image. If you ask a number beyond reasonable edition time, he will have to take short cuts. If you keep pestering asking for photos, you can expect a crap dump just to shut you off, and also to be the last time working with him and to never be recommended to anyone, for the reason of being... a pest that doesn't let you breath for a minute.
My advice is:
1) If you want to work with people who value quality, don't expect numbers. Expect them to be motivated only if you can also offer something worthy of portfolio, even if it is 1 or 2 per session, which is already a victory. 99% of times, anything beyond 1 or 2, will be a huge waste of time for an advanced photographer. A task that consists in cursing in from of a computer, spending days editing crap that is 4th best, 7th best, 9th best... Beginners and GWCs have no problem with this because they simply don't edit at all or don't spend too long on them.
2) Don't pester. There is nothing more demoralizing that having a model asking you for photos over and over. If he is already working on something that he won't even use, having that someone annoying you every day, won't help the images or you look better, perhaps the opposite.
3) If you want far more than someone can provide by trade (like if you want 10 edits from a guy that will have to edit them all and only use 1 or 0 out of them), perhaps consider paying for it, just as you solicit payment for something that is not of your interest? Wow!
This should be pinned for everyone who asks a similar question.
Professional models I work with, when asked how many do you need usually answer 1-2 good ones. Or 1 good one from each look.
Photographer
Herman Surkis
Posts: 10856
Victoria, British Columbia, Canada
Amber Dawn - Colorado wrote:
Why do photographers do that!?!? Keep taking on more and more work that one cant handle. Because the fun is in the shoot, not the post processing.
Photographer
Herman Surkis
Posts: 10856
Victoria, British Columbia, Canada
Skyler Bleu wrote:
But like I've mentioned in another comment. He's had time to edit last minute photoshoots with other models who I personally know and know those shoots weren't paid.
The paid work goes first thing I understand. The "late night fun shoot" with a nonpaying model.... Sometimes you get some nice shots that need little editing and you can send those off right away.
Other times it will take work to get what you want.
And other times you know that it will take a lot of work to get that dynamite image you are looking for.
On occasion I have posted and sent images within a couple of days. But it may take me weeks to get around to finishing the image that will end up on my portfolio. And months till I get around for the competition or gallery image.
Photographer
Lallure Photographic
Posts: 2086
Taylors, South Carolina, US
Like models who don't show up, photogs who don't deliver promised work, need to be shown the door.
If he was doing paid client work, the client would expect him to keep his delivery commitment, and models should do the same. If he's doing more than he can handle, then he has to find a solution, other than, putting off models.
Photographer
nudeXposed
Posts: 1154
Shanghai, Shanghai, China
Model
J Jessica
Posts: 2431
Coconut Creek, Florida, US
Ask him if you can hire your own retoucher.
Model
Koryn
Posts: 39496
Boston, Massachusetts, US
Herman Surkis wrote:
I draw the line at several years.
I work really hard to never get more than 2 years behind. I have honestly had someone send me photos from a trade shoot a year later. By the time I received them, my look had changed and I could no longer use them.
Photographer
J Haggerty
Posts: 1315
Augusta, Georgia, US
Until he tells you what's taking so long this is all speculation based on our experience but it varies.
There have been some shoots where I've taken the images and the original plan wasn't working for them or I have difficulty getting the look I want in post. It gets frustrating so I put them aside and work on other projects, some have been shot after the shoot in question but by doing that it might spark an idea or answer a riddle I couldn't figure out while working on the other photos so I can go back and do what needs to be done.
It has taken me a few months on a couple of shoots for this reason and I relay that to the models. It's not that I'm ignoring them or trashing them, I want them to be the best images they can be and getting to perfection can take a significant amount of time.
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