Photographer
Galder
Posts: 21
New Hope, Pennsylvania, US
Well, I think that the issue is that Facebook has to maintain some semblance of "real people" even though there are a lot of good reasons that people use pseudonyms, and always has been.
The issue for Facebook is that they tell the advertising world that they have hundreds of millions of users. If they had to admit that many of those are ficticious, then they have a problem.
I would say that between the restrictive family friendly photo policy and the lack of support for stage names, they are a pretty unfriendly place for glamour.
Galder
Photographer
Deep Visions
Posts: 323
Oceanside, California, US
Unless facebook slapped you with a court order or put a gun to your head, then you weren't "forced" to reveal your true name. Those that did so did it out of their own free will, there was no obligation to do so
Model
Victoria Morrisa
Posts: 130
New York, New York, US
I use my real name on my personal page and my stage name for my fan page and Twitter.
Model
sweetapple
Posts: 221
Artigas - permanent station of Uruguay, Sector claimed by Argentina/Chile/UK, Antarctica
Photographer
Legeros Photography LLC
Posts: 302
Sterling, Virginia, US
afplcc wrote:
A lot of models (and certainly some photographers) have relied a lot on Facebook for networking, PR, and getting business. FB has thrown a big monkey wrench in to it would seem.
Facebook is now demanding that people use their real names on their FB accounts or they're locking them out. It's started with drag queens and gay performers (who are having to "out" themselves in order to keep their account active). Read about it here: http://www.washingtonpost.com/business/ … story.html
I know of at least one very well known traveling model who's already been locked out of her account for this very reason. I think this sucks big time--it's just smart for every model (especially those that do nude or erotic work) to use a stage name. I used to use my full name on all of my photographic sites and business until a mom of one of the kids on the youth soccer team that I coached on the side noticed that "coach" was a pervert b/c he shot nekid girlies.
Ed Ok...here's my take and again...just my opinion. FB MAY have some value, but IMO not nearly as much as it's hyped. Yes I have a page, but I don't have many friends...not nearly as much as some who boast 4 and 5K...5000 friends?...really? I'm in my sixties...and the truth is I can probably count my real friend on both of my hands with a few fingers left over.
As far as for the use of stage names...it's up to the person. If you want to TRY to remain anonymous in the internet world...good luck.
One last thing about FB...I maintain some images there...but have yet to get a single booking from it...even though it wasn't intended for that purpose in the first place...I was coaxed into having a page to keep in touch with my old high school buddies...
rant | Now, I mostly use it to bash the dick head, right wing, low life's who're destroying this country with their uber conservative agendas..../rant
Photographer
Farenell Photography
Posts: 18832
Albany, New York, US
Deep Visions wrote:
Unless facebook slapped you with a court order or put a gun to your head, then you weren't "forced" to reveal your true name. Those that did so did it out of their own free will, there was no obligation to do so You've obviously have never been locked out of your account & unable to retrieve your personal information, nor contacts before.
Clothing Designer
Breakin Chains
Posts: 56
Providence, Rhode Island, US
I know this is an old thread, but here's a few things I've picked up from FB over the years, just to add to all the other info..
1- when I first attempted to sign up (about 5 years ago), I tried to use my brand name at the time, they said that it didn't sound like a real name, so they didn't let me sign up.
Now I understand that, at one time when FB was a college network site, this would be respectable perhaps, but now it just serves as a way (like one poster mentioned), to keep track of people for advertising purposes.
2- since having the ability to use fictitious names, about 4 years ago, a friend of mine had her profile reported for fake name by someone, she had to show her license and proof of her identity.
3- for anyone talking about how FB is a "free" service we have no right to complain.. FB sells your information to everyone under the sun and any info you have (phone/email) get put into network services everywhere. AS AN EXAMPLE: I went into best buys to purchase something for the first time ever about 3 years ago (I've never gone there I was a circuit city person). I gave them a fictitious phone number I use in instances just like this where I need to use a number for something).. They recited my name and email to confirm it.. I was a deer in headlights I asked how he got that info (I knew, based on the name/number/email combo that it was what I had used to sign up with my very first FB profile). So yes, we do PAY for the service, since FB went public, the public should get a say in how it affects THEM.
Model
Isis22
Posts: 3557
Muncie, Indiana, US
A writer friend of mine got locked out of her account because she uses a pseudonym to write. She had to give Facebook her real name, which is now her new account name. This was just a couple of days ago.
Photographer
DougBPhoto
Posts: 39248
Portland, Oregon, US
I heard of someone who was locked out yesterday, Facebook would not allow them to log in not have any option to contact someone until they "fixed" their name.
What is ridiculous is that Facebook is claiming this is about safety, it isn't, it is about their wanting real names so they can sell information about users, and those buying data from them don't want data on pseudonyms
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D A N I
Posts: 4627
Little Rock, Arkansas, US
I was criticized on THIS site by a few photographers when my model name was Danielle Kitten. They said "No one would take you seriously as a model with the name 'Kitten'". So I picked a random last name and here I am. Facebook sees my name as "real" so I'm safe.
Model
Melissa Kat
Posts: 401
Orlando, Florida, US
afplcc wrote:
A lot of models (and certainly some photographers) have relied a lot on Facebook for networking, PR, and getting business. FB has thrown a big monkey wrench in to it would seem.
Facebook is now demanding that people use their real names on their FB accounts or they're locking them out. It's started with drag queens and gay performers (who are having to "out" themselves in order to keep their account active). Read about it here: http://www.washingtonpost.com/business/ … story.html
I know of at least one very well known traveling model who's already been locked out of her account for this very reason. I think this sucks big time--it's just smart for every model (especially those that do nude or erotic work) to use a stage name. I used to use my full name on all of my photographic sites and business until a mom of one of the kids on the youth soccer team that I coached on the side noticed that "coach" was a pervert b/c he shot nekid girlies.
Ed I am SOOOO upset about this! Not only is my family not protected any longer but neither am I. Talk about SEO going down the drain if you only use a few networks too!
Photographer
DougBPhoto
Posts: 39248
Portland, Oregon, US
and now it is my turn.
Facebook logged me out, and now I can't log in without changing my name, which they won't accept.
I wonder if there is any way to export messages from Facebook, because I am sure many of us have contact info there, and if they prevent us from logging back in, much of that would be lost in an instant
Photographer
A. KAYE
Posts: 317
Richardson, Texas, US
Appears Mark Twain, George Sand, Bernie Schwartz, and Norma Jean Baker are screwed.
Model
Jen B
Posts: 4474
Phoenix, Arizona, US
afplcc wrote:
A lot of models (and certainly some photographers) have relied a lot on Facebook for networking, PR, and getting business. FB has thrown a big monkey wrench in to it would seem.
Facebook is now demanding that people use their real names on their FB accounts or they're locking them out. It's started with drag queens and gay performers (who are having to "out" themselves in order to keep their account active). Read about it here: http://www.washingtonpost.com/business/ … story.html
I know of at least one very well known traveling model who's already been locked out of her account for this very reason. I think this sucks big time--it's just smart for every model (especially those that do nude or erotic work) to use a stage name. I used to use my full name on all of my photographic sites and business until a mom of one of the kids on the youth soccer team that I coached on the side noticed that "coach" was a pervert b/c he shot nekid girlies.
Ed Hello,
I'm starting to incorporate my real name into everything rather than use stage names.
On here I am Jen B, on Broken Doll Models I use my full name , (its a relatively common one, )http://www.brokendollmodels.com/gennaver
Although I fully support the right to use an alias. It is not uncommon or unheard of for artists, authors and others. Facebook is so fastidious and insidious in their data collection and 'grip.'
Photographer
Abbitt Photography
Posts: 13564
Washington, Utah, US
In many areas of the country, if you do business (including modeling and photography) by any name other than your own legal name, you are supposed to have that name registered in some way, which may simply be a Doing Business As.
While I understand Facebook has some different incentives pushing their decision, I'm so sure it's really all that different.
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Figures Jen B
Posts: 790
Phoenix, Arizona, US
DougBPhoto wrote:
and now it is my turn.
Facebook logged me out, and now I can't log in without changing my name, which they won't accept.
I wonder if there is any way to export messages from Facebook, because I am sure many of us have contact info there, and if they prevent us from logging back in, much of that would be lost in an instant Oh!
Bummer.
I've heard of a couple people getting locked out and loosing their page.
ARGH.
Also I notice they no longer allow anyone to put "official" in our titles, yet so many folks have done that in the past.
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Figures Jen B
Posts: 790
Phoenix, Arizona, US
DougBPhoto wrote:
and now it is my turn.
Facebook logged me out, and now I can't log in without changing my name, which they won't accept.
I wonder if there is any way to export messages from Facebook, because I am sure many of us have contact info there, and if they prevent us from logging back in, much of that would be lost in an instant Oh!
Bummer.
I've heard of a couple people getting locked out and loosing their page.
ARGH.
Also I notice they no longer allow anyone to put "official" in our titles, yet so many folks have done that in the past.
Model
Melissa Kat
Posts: 401
Orlando, Florida, US
I HAVE THE ANSWER!!!!!!!!!
All you have to do is state your first and last name of your preference, then submit a screenshot of your Model Mayhem and/or Meetup group name to prove 'it's you' or that it is a professional network 'name' and they will change it for you.
That is what I did this morning and I am back in action woo!
Photographer
udor
Posts: 25255
New York, New York, US
Figures Jen B wrote:
Oh!
Bummer.
I've heard of a couple people getting locked out and loosing their page.
ARGH.
Also I notice they no longer allow anyone to put "official" in our titles, yet so many folks have done that in the past. Sorry, man!
I really feel for you, been through that same shit in July, and I am still trying to recover.
You will get a notification to download a backup with all the data... you can do this, but... I researched and I have not found anyway how to access the downloaded data or how to transfer them into a new FB profile.
But... via that "backdoor" you can access all your messages and send messages to your contacts, providing them with your current contact info and a new profile if you have it already, etc.
That's all I can tell you right now.
Because of you, right now, and a few others I know of, I just changed my FB name to a "FB - name" "Udor Rothenko (Udor Visualarts)", hoping that this will prevent me from going through all that shit again...
Good luck!
Photographer
udor
Posts: 25255
New York, New York, US
Melissa Kat wrote:
I HAVE THE ANSWER!!!!!!!!!
All you have to do is state your first and last name of your preference, then submit a screenshot of your Model Mayhem and/or Meetup group name to prove 'it's you' or that it is a professional network 'name' and they will change it for you.
That is what I did this morning and I am back in action woo! What???
That sounds interesting... when I have tried to do this in July, it wasn't accepted and would have to submit a photo of my driver's license to proof that "Udor Fotography" is my legal name...
It's especially difficult in my case, since my artist name is just "udor' nothing else...
Photographer
DougBPhoto
Posts: 39248
Portland, Oregon, US
Melissa Kat wrote:
I HAVE THE ANSWER!!!!!!!!!
All you have to do is state your first and last name of your preference, then submit a screenshot of your Model Mayhem and/or Meetup group name to prove 'it's you' or that it is a professional network 'name' and they will change it for you.
That is what I did this morning and I am back in action woo! What I saw and what others told me is that they do not give you any options other than entering a real name and then that name is what is posted. Have not seen or heard of any way to submit what you say.
Model
kat NUDES
Posts: 59
Orlando, Florida, US
udor wrote:
What???
That sounds interesting... when I have tried to do this in July, it wasn't accepted and would have to submit a photo of my driver's license to proof that "Udor Fotography" is my legal name...
It's especially difficult in my case, since my artist name is just "udor' nothing else... When you get to the part that requests a submission photo of your driver's license, submit a screenshot of a business website? Maybe they just think Kat is my real last name. I submitted a screenshot of my meetup page as well as my model mayhem page. Then I got an email back from them only 10 hours later telling me they changed my name for me. Maybe I just got lucky? I know it worked though.
Model
kat NUDES
Posts: 59
Orlando, Florida, US
DougBPhoto wrote:
What I saw and what others told me is that they do not give you any options other than entering a real name and then that name is what is posted. Have not seen or heard of any way to submit what you say. Sorry to hear that :-/ I gave screenshots (explained in the post above) and I just made sure they knew my name is Melissa KAT and Kat is my last name not even mentioning a stage name and they did not question it. Maybe I was able to not have anyone question me from the screen shots I sent. I know it worked what I did though.
Photographer
udor
Posts: 25255
New York, New York, US
kat NUDES wrote:
When you get to the part that requests a submission photo of your driver's license, submit a screenshot of a business website? Maybe they just think Kat is my real last name. I submitted a screenshot of my meetup page as well as my model mayhem page. Then I got an email back from them only 10 hours later telling me they changed my name for me. Maybe I just got lucky? I know it worked though. Are you talking about a Fan Page or a personal FB Profile???
I submitted: LinkedIn, Twitter, both of my websites, photo credits as "udor photography" (Marie Claire, Inc. Magazine), interview with me as "udor", etc., had to convert as business, didn't accept any of this.
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DougBPhoto
Posts: 39248
Portland, Oregon, US
kat NUDES wrote:
Maybe I was able to not have anyone question me from the screen shots I sent. I know it worked what I did though. I think that is probably it, you wound up with someone who thought that was adequate proof of your identity, and it was not that they were intentionally approving a stage name.
Udor, she does have a FB page that needs the normal first/last name and does the normal friends thing, as the point of her situation rather than a "page" with "like" this page type.
I don't think it was proving the pseudonym or assumed business name was legit, it was that they believed it was proof of it being her real identity.
Photographer
udor
Posts: 25255
New York, New York, US
Facebook is at it again... deleting people's profiles. Heck, a very close friend of mine, model and actress, had her account closed just yesterday... for not using her "real name"... she did use her legal name and her first name is the same as one of the zodiac signs... Got blocked right now... Another friend just experienced that (we are just talking on FB about this from his brand new profile) and five of his friends. So... I already changed my "name" to a name that is similar to my legal name, hope I won't get fucked again. I thought the issue with the drag queens might have made FB more flexible... but no... WTF!!! 
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Rav Holly
Posts: 120
Los Angeles, California, US
My name is a Professional Name, a Moniker name, but I've had it done legally, as I can check into a hotel under it, get mail etc. Does facebook know how many professional actors, and actresses, use moniker names? Carmen Electra for one.
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Jason Haven
Posts: 38381
Washington, District of Columbia, US
I very much suspect that a handful of individuals are trolling model, lgbt, and sexworker pages with profile reports. I very rarely see any photographer having to deal with the name issue, but every day I see model profiles disappear, and either come back with a compromised name, or with a new profile. It's a really shitty move by trolls and FB. Edit: Looks like my suspicions might not be far off http://www.dailydot.com/technology/real … es-policy/
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