Forums > Digital Art and Retouching > how to achieve this black??

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bahri_wassim

Posts: 232

Şafāqis, Şafāqis, Tunisia

Sep 19 14 04:29 am Link

Photographer

FlirtynFun Photography

Posts: 13926

Houston, Texas, US

First, and I know this is a retouching forum, but the key to achieving "black" is to keep light off of the background. In a dark room, with enough distance, your background could be white seamless paper and you could achieve this same goal.

Sep 19 14 04:39 am Link

Retoucher

BoazR

Posts: 129

Jerusalem, Jerusalem, Israel

desaturate + curves?

Sep 19 14 02:59 pm Link

Photographer

Worlds Of Water

Posts: 37732

Rancho Cucamonga, California, US

Actually, the flesh tone of the model in that image ready isn't gray scale in black... it's a lot closer to selenium blue.  Take a 10 point yellow filter and hold it up against this image... THERE you have something much closer to true gray-scale black and white... wink

Sep 19 14 03:14 pm Link

Photographer

Don Garrett

Posts: 4984

Escondido, California, US

FlirtynFun Photography wrote:
First, and I know this is a retouching forum, but the key to achieving "black" is to keep light off of the background. In a dark room, with enough distance, your background could be white seamless paper and you could achieve this same goal.

This is how I think this image was done, (above comment): Also, because parts of the glasses, and part of her lips were so bright, the rest had to be exposed very low, so as to not blow out these areas. It appears that they are NOT blown out, from looking at this image, though there are certainly some pure white pixels there.
  Being a Photoshop buff myself, I also like the suggestion that BoazR made - to use curves, and desaturate, (if, as I believe, the image started out in color). The thing is, if you understand all of your tools, you can get ANY look you desire. These are just a few ideas how this image can be treated, during and after the capture.
  You can also set a black point, (if there isn't already one), and make sure that your darkest pixel(s) are, in fact, as black as they can be. Find the darkest pixel(s), using the "threshold" feature in Photoshop. Hint: the whole image will go toward the opposite color of the pixel you select to set as the black point, so you may want to change that color before doing anything else.
-Don

Sep 19 14 03:34 pm Link

Artist/Painter

JJMiller

Posts: 807

Buffalo, New York, US

Or you could just paint the black in digitally...

That portfolio, esp. the B&W, look very heavily digitally painted.

Sep 19 14 05:48 pm Link

Retoucher

AaronArthurLl

Posts: 9

Palm Springs, California, US

Try looking at your BLUE channel on photoshop, and see if that gives you a closer black and white affect you'd like. If so, copy and past it to your layers.

Sep 21 14 04:46 pm Link

Photographer

Tulack

Posts: 836

Albuquerque, New Mexico, US

AaronArthurLl wrote:
Try looking at your BLUE channel on photoshop, and see if that gives you a closer black and white affect you'd like. If so, copy and past it to your layers.

There is no trying. Any image can be done like that. Takes 30 seconds in Lightroom.
1. Set the light first.
2. Use luminosity of red, orange and yellow to match tones.
3. Use Camera calibration to give shape.
4. Make preset to spend 2 seconds next time instead of 30.

Sep 21 14 09:52 pm Link

Retoucher

Daniel Meadows

Posts: 794

Manchester, England, United Kingdom

The overall contrast depends vastly on your starting point, but to crush the blacks like that just pull the Blacks slider down in ACR. If you aren't starting with a RAW there are a million ways in Photoshop but I use Exposure>Gamma Correction.

Sep 22 14 02:42 pm Link

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Tulack

Posts: 836

Albuquerque, New Mexico, US

Daniel Meadows wrote:
The overall contrast depends vastly on your starting point, but to crush the blacks like that just pull the Blacks slider down in ACR. If you aren't starting with a RAW there are a million ways in Photoshop but I use Exposure>Gamma Correction.

I believe the question was how to make white skin-black?

Sep 22 14 02:43 pm Link

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Daniel Meadows

Posts: 794

Manchester, England, United Kingdom

Tulack wrote:
I believe the question was how to make white skin-black?

I can't see that written anywhere, perhaps the OP could clarify, I think we're all answering different questions.

Sep 22 14 03:30 pm Link

Photographer

Tulack

Posts: 836

Albuquerque, New Mexico, US

Daniel Meadows wrote:
I can't see that written anywhere, perhaps the OP could clarify, I think we're all answering different questions.

smile It's not so hard to distinct Caucasian person from Black.

FlirtynFun Photography-you can not make white skin black by keeping light from background.

BoazR - you can not make white skin black by desaturating it.

JJMiller - black is luminosity level, it's not a color.

AaronArthurLl-blue channel would not make white skin black.

Sep 22 14 04:43 pm Link

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Daniel Meadows

Posts: 794

Manchester, England, United Kingdom

Tulack wrote:
smile It's not so hard to distinct Caucasian person from Black.

Hahaha true, although I'm still not sure if the OP is talking about the heavy blacks in the shadows or 'black' looking skin.

Sep 22 14 04:48 pm Link

Photographer

Tulack

Posts: 836

Albuquerque, New Mexico, US

Daniel Meadows wrote:
Hahaha true, although I'm still not sure if the OP is talking about the heavy blacks in the shadows or 'black' looking skin.

You think he was asking how to make image darker? smile

Sep 22 14 04:52 pm Link

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Daniel Meadows

Posts: 794

Manchester, England, United Kingdom

Tulack wrote:
You think he was asking how to make image darker? smile

No but based on the wording of his post my best guess was that he was asking how to achieve this style of monochrome with crushed blacks and dark low-mids while keeping the highlights but we'll see when he elaborates I guess smile

Sep 22 14 05:08 pm Link

Photographer

Tulack

Posts: 836

Albuquerque, New Mexico, US

Daniel Meadows wrote:
No but based on the wording of his post my best guess was that he was asking how to achieve this style of monochrome with crushed blacks and dark low-mids while keeping the highlights but we'll see when he elaborates I guess smile

If you see the rest of the portfolio, you would see that this style of monochrome is called "turning Caucasian to Black"

https://scontent-a-dfw.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpa1/v/t1.0-9/10672313_10154599470640153_6641464220815871186_n.jpg?oh=1e7296751f923186754006569199236d&oe=54CA5549

Sep 22 14 05:15 pm Link

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Daniel Meadows

Posts: 794

Manchester, England, United Kingdom

In light of new evidence, I concede the point to Tulak smile

Darker skin is defined more by the highlights, where light skin is the opposite, I'll write a post up tomorrow smile

Sep 22 14 05:20 pm Link

Photographer

Camerosity

Posts: 5805

Saint Louis, Missouri, US

Start by keeping light off the background to the extent possible. Moving the model (and the lights) farther from the background might help.

There are a number of ways to achieve blacker blacks listed above. Yet another way is to move the Blacks slider to the right in ACR. (I presume it's also called the Blacks slider in Lightroom?)

Presumably you don't want to darken all parts of the image to the same degree. So after doing and saving your basic processing from ACR, you can do a separate processing using the black slider. Make it a separate layer in your working file, add a black mask, and brush it in to the extent you want in various parts of the image.

I ordered an 8x10-foot synthetic rubber black mat that I use on the floor in conjunction with a black muslin background. The back of the mat was supposed to be matte (and the sample piece was matte), but it has a sheen. Invariably there are spots where it reflects light. So this is how I turn the black mat black.

Sep 22 14 08:56 pm Link

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The Invisible Touch

Posts: 862

Tarragona, Catalonia, Spain

I don't think there is anything special on this particular BW image, probably it has been desaturated and a bit of curves...

My question to the OP.. why would you like to use this kind of BW conversion?? Not interesting there at least to me.

Sep 23 14 03:38 am Link