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Ever Art

Posts: 1125

Chicago, Illinois, US

It was in yesterdays Yahoo Entertainment News....Kate Moss caught on surveillance tape with cocaine.

Apparently, only after she publicly got caught, she then publicly apologized for everything as it was a violation of her Modeling contract with H&M clothing. It mentioned a clause in her contract that she was to maintain a wholesome image.

Reps for H&M clothing in Stockholm, Sweden say they forgive her and give her a second chance. Now if this was just a new model or one with not much name recognition, do you think she would have been given a second chance?  If it was an average girl, I think she would have been promptly arrested as well.

Is the industry continually that jaded that they will allow ANY "celebrity" to get away with anything? 

Or is this just more media drama, like the Paris Hilton sex tape which made Paris a household name and led to her modeling/acting career?

Sep 18 05 04:27 am Link

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jeff s

Posts: 282

Springfield, Massachusetts, US

Paris doesn't have an acting career, one must be able to act in order to have a career in acting.....

She is a Hilton - that's it.

Sep 18 05 07:04 am Link

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DawnElizabeth

Posts: 3907

Madison, Mississippi, US

Ariane G wrote:
Is the industry that jaded that they will allow a "celebrity" to get away with anything? 

Or is this just more media drama, like the Paris Hilton sex tape which made Paris a household name and led to her modeling/acting career?

You pretty much answered your own question there.....

Sep 18 05 07:08 am Link

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udor

Posts: 25255

New York, New York, US

Ariane G wrote:
Is the industry that jaded that they will allow a "celebrity" to get away with anything?

I don't know how to break the news to you... but you seem to have no idea how rampant drug use is in the runway/fashion industry. Why do you think they call it "High Fashion?" big_smile

There are quite some supermodels who walk the walk, but are stoned, cocained, or other drugs... at least Champagned...

I am really surprised that you think it's something new. Actually, I am surprised that you are surprised. yikes

Sep 18 05 07:22 am Link

Model

Ever Art

Posts: 1125

Chicago, Illinois, US

Udo, I am not that naive....

Obviously, you missed my point. The point I was trying to make here, is that she violated her own contract, and was STILL allowed to represent a prestigious fashion company.

Sorry to break it to you, but there are some in this industry (like myself) who do not do drugs or lead a lifestyle of partying until the next shoot comes along.

By the way, I think you need to check your wording. The correct spelling of that bubbly wine that originated from France that we drink on New Years - is spelled Champagne.

A bientot....

Sep 18 05 07:27 am Link

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NV Style Group

Posts: 139

Houston, Alaska, US

Like Udor said this is not breaking news, everybody (well I thought everybody) knows that more than half of all supermodels are total cokeheads....thats how most of them keep their skin and bones figure.....
You can look at these girls and tell that they are on some type of drug, society has done this to these girls and its pretty damn sad that in order to be considered sexy you have to be the size of a twig (TWIGGY)lol

Marilyn Monroe was not skinny (size 16) and she was considered the sexiest woman around, but once Twiggy hit the scene it all changed........

America really needs to wake up!! Because all these young girls coming up want to be like these women, thats why eating disorders are out of control amoung teens.

Dying to be Skinny!!!!!!!!  hey wasnt that a Lifetime movie?? LOL

Sep 18 05 07:36 am Link

Photographer

udor

Posts: 25255

New York, New York, US

Ariane G wrote:
Udo, I am not that naive....

Obviously, you missed my point. The point I was trying to make here, is that she violated her own contract, and was STILL allowed to represent a prestigious fashion company.

Sorry to break it to you, but there are some in this industry (like myself) who do not do drugs or lead a lifestyle of partying until the next shoot comes along.

By the way, I think you need to check your wording. The correct spelling of that bubbly wine that originated from France that we drink on New Years - is spelled Champagne.

A bientot....

Yeah, I mispelled... didn't see it, thanks. Oh... and since there is no such word as "champagned" OR "champaigned" it's my creation and I can write is as I want to ... big_smile

I don't do drugs either and since I am a runway photographer, I am doing a lot of work backstage as well, besides being on a production team for runway shows. So, I see things first hand. Of course, I never said that all the models are doing it, none of my friends do, neither do I.

However, I do know quite a few who walk "high" on the runway, some supermodels are drunk and have to be sobered up first.

And yes... I misunderstood your point.

Just don't think it's such a big deal.

P.S.: I am also talking exclusively about the runway scene!

Sep 18 05 07:39 am Link

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Julia Gerace

Posts: 1889

Monroe, Connecticut, US

wait a minute.... this is the first time she was caught with drugs?   

Julia

Sep 18 05 07:40 am Link

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Kharizma

Posts: 455

Concord, California, US

LMAO.............................

Sep 18 05 07:43 am Link

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D. Brian Nelson

Posts: 5477

Rapid City, South Dakota, US

Tell me it isn't so!  Little Kate using illicit drugs?  How could this be?

So did H&M know of her "problem" when they hired her?  Of course.  Did they contract with her expecting her to change?  Maybe, but even the Swedes aren't all that naive. 

Let's see, if I remember right H&M is the Ikea of fashion, depending on low cost, quick response and trendiness to sell stuff.  Seems to me that some snorting isn't gonna put off their target audience anyway.  And personally, I'd forgive Kate Moss for just about anything.

-Don

Sep 18 05 08:03 am Link

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Trav Dreisbach

Posts: 49

Palm Beach Shores, Florida, US

I like to keep it brief.
Answer:  NO, YES , YES, 
Paris and Acting (Joke right??)

Sep 18 05 11:29 am Link

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R. Olson (RO)

Posts: 971

Seattle, Washington, US

trav3d wrote:
I like to keep it brief.
Answer:  NO, YES , YES, 
Paris and Acting (Joke right??)

Paris and acting are an oxymoron (watch, I get a call from the Hiltons telling me not to call Paris an Ox Moron tomorrow).

And I thought it was France that made Paris a household name? You mean to tell me the hilton girl is over 300 years old???! big_smile

Sep 18 05 11:32 am Link

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Justin N Lane

Posts: 1720

Brooklyn, New York, US

Kate Moss? Coke? No! the HELL you say!

wasn't it about 6 years ago that she admitted to being perpetually drunk from the age of 15?  H+M should've scouted elsewhere for wholesome...

Sep 18 05 11:41 am Link

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BlondeButterfly

Posts: 3

Waynesville, Missouri, US

Julia Gerace wrote:
wait a minute.... this is the first time she was caught with drugs?   

Julia

Isn't that the truth? LMAO.

Sep 18 05 11:41 am Link

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Trav Dreisbach

Posts: 49

Palm Beach Shores, Florida, US

R. Olson (RO) wrote:
Paris and acting are an oxymoron (watch, I get a call from the Hiltons telling me not to call Paris an Ox Moron tomorrow).

And I thought it was France that made Paris a household name? You mean to tell me the hilton girl is over 300 years old???! big_smile

Perfect!

Sep 18 05 11:42 am Link

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LongWindFPV Visuals

Posts: 7052

Las Vegas, Nevada, US

Interesting how coke fiends and crack whores in the fashion modeling world don't gravitate towards pornography. Maybe, the porn world is so clean, they're not accepted?

Is it true, or stereotype from Hollywood that a good percentage of high fashion models earn extra money doling themselves out as high priced call girls/escorts?

If that's the case and the stereotype is true, then I really don't get why ANY of them would feel reluctant to model for an unknown photographer who does good work?

Sep 18 05 12:01 pm Link

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- null -

Posts: 4576

NV Style Group wrote:
You can look at these girls and tell that they are on some type of drug, society has done this to these girls and its pretty damn sad

No. These girls have done this to THEMSELVES.

Society is only guilty of allowing people to shift the blame to society itself, so that no individuals take responsibility for their actions anymore.

People need to stop blaming society and start blaming the individuals who make stupid choices. Society does NOT turn individuals into cokefiends. Individuals do that to themselves by their own choices.

Sep 18 05 12:03 pm Link

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Brian Diaz

Posts: 65617

Danbury, Connecticut, US

I've known a few people who have failed drug tests at their average 9-5 type jobs and were given second chances.  The decision has to do with how much money the company will make be keeping the offender.  Apparently H&M decided it would make more money be keeping Kate Moss.

Sep 18 05 12:15 pm Link

Model

angelavasquez

Posts: 844

Murrieta, California, US

Ariane G wrote:
It was in yesterdays Yahoo Entertainment News....Kate Moss caught on surveillance tape with cocaine.

Apparently, only after she publicly got caught, she then publicly apologized for everything as it was a violation of her Modeling contract with H&M clothing. It mentioned a clause in her contract that she was to maintain a wholesome image.

Reps for H&M clothing in Stockholm, Sweden say they forgive her and give her a second chance. Now if this was just a new model or one with not much name recognition, do you think she would have been given a second chance?  If it was an average girl, I think she would have been promptly arrested as well.

Is the industry continually that jaded that they will allow ANY "celebrity" to get away with anything? 

Or is this just more media drama, like the Paris Hilton sex tape which made Paris a household name and led to her modeling/acting career?

Ofcourse, if it was a non-celebrity, they would have gotten arrested....But its Kate Moss. One of the Top Supermodels of all time! However, Im not suprised at all. stuff like that happens.......big_smile I still love kate moss though! big_smile

Ciao
Angela
xoxoxoxoxoxoxoxo

Sep 18 05 12:28 pm Link

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udor

Posts: 25255

New York, New York, US

Joe K. Perez wrote:
Is it true, or stereotype from Hollywood that a good percentage of high fashion models earn extra money doling themselves out as high priced call girls/escorts?

If that's the case and the stereotype is true, then I really don't get why ANY of them would feel reluctant to model for an unknown photographer who does good work?

Hey Joe;

That is not a stereotype, it's a myth, or urban legend although some struggling model may do that... maybe in Hollywood.

The reason why high fashion models don't shoot for free with a good, but unknown photographer is simply because they are under contract, and you have to book them through their agency, paying the agency rate.

Those agency models don't need to develop their books, because there are other criteria that apply.

Regular high fashion models (not the high end supermodels) won't even get hired by an agency if they were doing nudes before.

Sep 18 05 12:36 pm Link

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LongWindFPV Visuals

Posts: 7052

Las Vegas, Nevada, US

Udo R wrote:
Hey Joe;

That is not a stereotype, it's a myth, or urban legend although some struggling model may do that... maybe in Hollywood.

The reason why high fashion models don't shoot for free with a good, but unknown photographer is simply because they are under contract, and you have to book them through their agency, paying the agency rate.

Those agency models don't need to develop their books, because there are other criteria that apply.

Regular high fashion models (not the high end supermodels) won't even get hired by an agency if they were doing nudes before.

C'mon Udo. Won't get hired if they were doing nudes before? Isn't that one, great, big, limiting double-standard that everyone has tolerated for a long time now? Especially, since some will end up doing nudes, or semi-nude. It's okay for film, commercials and print advertisements, but not okay for a good photographer's gallery, online or off?

My previous rant was basically a small dose of sarcastic observation in that, despite the agency contract, if some models aren't going to be discriminating with the drugs they use and who they cop it from, then why the need to discriminate with photographers? See my point? The agency contract is really nothing to some of these people. As publicly demonstrated by Moss...it didn't stop her from gettin some. And, if she didn't get caught, she'd still be doing it. That's a fact.

And, my driving point is, and let's not be naive about this, is that despite whatever arrangement Moss has with agency, I'm sure there are one, or two photographers she's worked with that has a private stash of her in the nude. If not photographers, her lovers and confidants. C'mon...she's also a lush and a cocaine user. Nudes and having sex (for money, or other type of gain) is a natural part of the equation.

Sep 18 05 01:01 pm Link

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Hugh Jorgen

Posts: 2850

Ashland, Oregon, US

Kharizma wrote:
LMAO.............................

LMAO x2

(:-----

Hj

Sep 18 05 01:06 pm Link

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Rachel DellaPorte

Posts: 435

Montgomery, New York, US

Cmon... is anyone REALLY surprised? heh

Sep 18 05 01:08 pm Link

Photographer

LongWindFPV Visuals

Posts: 7052

Las Vegas, Nevada, US

Dean Johnson isn't "all that". I say she step down and the client she had a contract with should browse through Model Mayhem and give one of the beauties here, (many of them foxier and sexier than Moss), a go with the contract. That's what I'm saying.

Shit. She abused her status as a public figure. I say, IMPEACH! If we didn't allow Clinton to enjoy the memory of his private Blow Job, and let the guy to stay as head of FEMA and we didn't allow Bush to get by without an apology, then MOSS SHOULD STEP DOWN!!   big_smile

Sep 18 05 01:17 pm Link

Makeup Artist

Camera Ready Studios

Posts: 7191

Dallas, Texas, US

Eric Muss-Barnes wrote:

No. These girls have done this to THEMSELVES.

Society is only guilty of allowing people to shift the blame to society itself, so that no individuals take responsibility for their actions anymore.

People need to stop blaming society and start blaming the individuals who make stupid choices. Society does NOT turn individuals into cokefiends. Individuals do that to themselves by their own choices.

Thank You Eric.  If this were societies fault we would all be coke heads and we aren't.

Sep 18 05 01:35 pm Link

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Josie Nutter

Posts: 5865

Seattle, Washington, US

Hey, wasn't someone here asking where she's been lately?  Seems like this is something that'll pop her up into the public's eye again for a while. :p

Sep 18 05 01:37 pm Link

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Brian Diaz

Posts: 65617

Danbury, Connecticut, US

I blame society for the fact that I'm not a cokehead.  I've been force-fed anti-drug propaganda since elementary school.  Thanks for eliminating my right to choose, D.A.R.E. program!

Sep 18 05 01:50 pm Link

Makeup Artist

Camera Ready Studios

Posts: 7191

Dallas, Texas, US

good point Brian.  I blame my parents for teaching me personal responsability at a young age.  I didnt always listen but their example keeps nagging at me.

Sep 18 05 01:57 pm Link

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dpretty

Posts: 8108

Ashland, Alabama, US

Udo R wrote:

I don't know how to break the news to you... but you seem to have no idea how rampant drug use is in the runway/fashion industry. Why do you think they call it "High Fashion?" big_smile

There are quite some supermodels who walk the walk, but are stoned, cocained, or other drugs... at least Champagned...

I am really surprised that you think it's something new. Actually, I am surprised that you are surprised. yikes

Ditto. Why would they make an example out of Kate Moss? Coke is the coolest drug around, even George W. partakes.

Sep 18 05 06:48 pm Link

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Jessica Loren

Posts: 516

Baltimore, Maryland, US

Coke is OK...but I prefer Sprite. It's got Lim-on...mmmmm

Sep 19 05 08:53 pm Link

Photographer

udor

Posts: 25255

New York, New York, US

Jessica L wrote:
Coke is OK...but I prefer Sprite. It's got Lim-on...mmmmm

Coke gives me an allergic reaction within 15 minutes of drinking it.

Pepsi (not a plug) doesn't give me the same reaction... don't know why.

Sep 19 05 09:02 pm Link

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Kharizma

Posts: 455

Concord, California, US

actually years ago coke was made with cocaine..lol..Years ago...It still is way better than that washed down soap..oops Pepsi


She is a coke head lol

Sep 19 05 09:05 pm Link

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KoolGirlieStuff

Posts: 3560

Gainesville, Florida, US

Udo R wrote:
I don't know how to break the news to you... but you seem to have no idea how rampant drug use is in the runway/fashion industry. Why do you think they call it "High Fashion?" big_smile

There are quite some supermodels who walk the walk, but are stoned, cocained, or other drugs... at least Champagned...

I am really surprised that you think it's something new. Actually, I am surprised that you are surprised. yikes

Good point Udo......I guess many have forgot poor Gia

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gia_Marie_Carangi

Gia Carangi
1960- 1986

and before her was the beautiful German high fashion model
Nico (Christa Päffgen)

http://smironne.free.fr/NICO/bio.html

Christa Päffgen (Nico)
1938-1988

Drugs and modeling go back to the 1920`s, it`s something that was always there, but often ignored

Sep 19 05 09:34 pm Link

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John Landers

Posts: 374

Miami Beach, Florida, US

Update:

Clothing Chain H&M Drops Kate Moss Ads
September 20, 2005 8:59 AM EDT

STOCKHOLM, Sweden - Swedish clothing chain Hennes & Mauritz said Tuesday it will drop a planned advertising campaign with model Kate Moss after she admitted to recently using cocaine.

H&M, Europe's largest fashion retailer, had planned to use Moss to help launch a new collection designed by Stella McCartney that will hit stores in 22 countries in November.

The decision to drop the campaign comes after Moss acknowledged last week that British tabloid reports of her recent cocaine use were true.

H&M initially said it would proceed with the campaign, but company spokeswoman Liv Asarnoj said Tuesday that "after evaluating the situation, we have decided that a campaign with Kate Moss is not consistent with H&M's clear disassociation from drugs."

The company will call in another model for the campaign, Asarnoj said.

H&M said Saturday that Moss had apologized for her drug use and promised in writing to abide by a company policy that models be "healthy, wholesome and sound."

McCartney, daughter of former Beatle Paul McCartney, will design a limited women's collection of about 40 items that will go on sale in 400 stores on Nov. 10. Last year, H&M released a similar collection designed by Karl Lagerfeld, which sold out in a few hours in many stores worldwide.

http://enews.earthlink.net/article/top? … 1405579618

Sep 20 05 08:13 am Link

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Peter Dattolo

Posts: 1669

Wolcott, Connecticut, US

What model would second thought being skinny to walk down the runway (30-60 seconds, 5-10 times)?

If you got $1000 - 50,000 (one model gets $50,000 each time she walks the walk), would you do what you could to stay skinny for that kind of cash?

Its easier to sit here and say you will not do it but when you have the chance to do it, its different.

The $50,000 model is a model i saw on TV yesterday, she was on "Spike TV" most beautiful women segment.

Sep 20 05 08:28 am Link

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spyro2122

Posts: 760

Orlando, Florida, US

yeah the whole thing about here and using drugs is definatley no surprise. Everyone thinks that being a pole is sexeir than having some curves. I know i am very skinny and people think i have an eating disorder, i dont though and am grateful that i have some curves. It just is kinda sick looking to see everybone in their body. people try to be that and children even at a young age of eight get made fun of for not being "supermodel" thin. It is different though if offered a contract like that the more healthy solutionwould be to exercisse and eat right. skip the bread with a hamburger and get lettuce instead. or see a nutrionalist, get a personal trainer. it isn't as though they cant afford it is that  in this day and age people want results now, so in my opinion it is lazy to go that route instead of working for it.

Sep 20 05 08:40 am Link

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Peter Dattolo

Posts: 1669

Wolcott, Connecticut, US

Spyro may i say two things? You are HOT ......

The second is that in the modeling world everything is in relation to time. They have 3 days to lose so many pounds for a runway shoot or they need to lose so many pounds by tomorrow to fit into a size XXXX for a runway shoot.
Runway is very fast paced, lots of traveling and a runway shoot in different countries each day is not out of the question for lots of the more professional runway models.

I have only limited experience but from what i know this is the way it seems to be to me. Udo would have a better idea about this.

Sep 20 05 08:47 am Link

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HungryEye

Posts: 2281

Edmonton, Alberta, Canada

I have not been so surprised since Canadian snowboarder Ross Rebagliati was stripped of his gold medal after the drug test showed traces of marijuanna in his system... Imagine... a snowboarder smoking weed...
  Imagine...a fashion model snorting a line...

  Ms. Moss will land on her feet, and the publicity will likely land her a reality show.
Survivor Milan?
The Stoned Life?
 
  There is no such thing as bad publicity.

(for the record, Ross got his medal back when it was pointed out that it could hardly be called a "performance enhancing drug." Some wags even suggested that he get a second medal for winning in spite of the handicap.)

Sep 21 05 09:53 pm Link

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Rachael

Posts: 27

Omaha, Nebraska, US

Peter Dattolo wrote:
What model would second thought being skinny to walk down the runway (30-60 seconds, 5-10 times)?

If you got $1000 - 50,000 (one model gets $50,000 each time she walks the walk), would you do what you could to stay skinny for that kind of cash?

Its easier to sit here and say you will not do it but when you have the chance to do it, its different.

The $50,000 model is a model i saw on TV yesterday, she was on "Spike TV" most beautiful women segment.

I'm an not surpised that she was cought with that.  But her skininess is from drugs and young girls look up to her and so they are starving themsevles to death. I was just helping out at a High School Football games last week and I was getting food for the Cheerleaders and the one girl was odering a pop and Candy. and another girl behind her was say "oh look at the carbs." She wasn't but 15 years old. I think women need to Embrace the way they are and eat Right and exercise. but not Stavre yourself or do drugs to be that way. Some think genanics is not ture reason why some are bigger. I work out and eat right but I seem not to be able to get under 180. But I look at all the women in my family and they all are at least about 180 or larger. I think we need to go back to were women have womanly Curves and not Skiny as a toothpick. Well that is my little rant. good luck to all

Sep 21 05 10:15 pm Link

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Ron Goldstein

Posts: 219

Brooklyn, Indiana, US

Trend that is slowly slowly passing away...... Also probably she's board out of her mind ... fame in a young age with do that to you shes not the first nor would be the last ...........

Sep 21 05 10:20 pm Link