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New Models need to take advantage....
of the offers that are placed in your hands. Before you continue reading you should understand that I've already contacted the model and told her I was placing this on the forums, AND this is not an insult of the models ability or the photographer who took the "before" shot ability. The reason I chose an image with no photographer credit was for that sole purpose. (I will preface the next few paragraphs by saying; "I'm kinda hard to get in touch with if we're not talking about money) I contacted / was contacted by a model a while ago about a TFP shoot. My thing is I really don't like to do them because ALL shoots cost me money in terms of time before, during, and after the shoot but that's neither here nor there.... I got with the model a couple of times and we couldn't ever nail down a date, mainly because I don't shoot too often, but none the less the conversation went back and forth for a while with no shoot date set. I finally had a shoot date in mind, I had someone renting the studio for the day and he wanted to a wide range of models. I thought that I would contact all the models that had been wanting to shoot with me TFP because if I was gonna do it, this date would be the date that I would offer them to shoot with not only one, but two photographers. I contacted the model and was like, this is the day! She was reluctant and was giving me all these excuses about why she didn't want to come on that day. I finally got frustrated and said; "listen, it will be this day, or No day if you want a TFP." Those may not have been the exact words but you get the idea. The shoot went off without a hitch and I feel that my images will be the life of her online portfolio until she shoots with other more talented photographers. I think she understood that she had to take advantage of the opportunity she was being offered and seize the moment! I'm glad she did. I say all this to say, NEW MODELS TAKE ADVANTAGE of ALL YOUR OPPORTUNITIES. Don't let someone else dictate your destiny. Because below you can see the advantages of working with a not so good photographer and in some peoples eyes, another not so good photographer. BEFORE EMG: AFTER EMG: Oct 13 05 01:02 pm Link All the difference in the world. Oct 13 05 01:04 pm Link You did this girl a world of justice. Oct 13 05 01:13 pm Link Sweet work..and I love the "synergy" of colors...with the blue in her bra, makeup, and the wall...and yes, I probably misused the word synergy, but it sounds cool and makes me feel like my opinions are important Oct 13 05 01:44 pm Link Awesome photo. Oct 13 05 01:48 pm Link You're absolutely right--we all need to, as some anonymous but amazingly influential ad writer said, just do it. All of our hemming and hawing won't get us closer to our goals. Oct 13 05 01:55 pm Link Shes a doll. However, if I had been the one in your shoes,at the first hint of reluctance from her in that phone call I would have said "Ok, just thought I would give you a call and offer you the time slot, take care and good luck with your modeling" and hanged up the phone. I do not have time for reluctance and what better way to teach her she needs to take advantage of doors being opened when they are opened. She needs to be able to think and decide on the fly in situations like that. Oct 13 05 01:56 pm Link Wow! Oct 13 05 01:57 pm Link That's what I started to do..but no more tfps for me Oct 13 05 01:58 pm Link Great photo. Love all the blue. Oct 13 05 02:26 pm Link Isn't it amazing how godawful a girl can look with terrible lighting? A photographer once told me 'you could make the most beautiful girl look incredibly ugly with bad lighting". Badass under-eye shadow can so ruin an image, of both the photograph and the model. Oct 13 05 02:42 pm Link AGREED!!! Oct 13 05 02:46 pm Link Glamour Boulevard wrote: "Hanged up the phone" Oct 13 05 02:48 pm Link huge difference geeze i'm really starting to wonder what i'd look like with pro pics and the make up Oct 13 05 02:50 pm Link I thought about saying forget just call me when you get some money, but I didn't. I think she learned a lot that day because there were other models and things like that at the studio. I'm happy that she was able to get some good stuff that day. Oct 13 05 06:26 pm Link i wonder why this model didn't bring her "a" game to the first image....everyone knows, just anyone can release a shutter.... ...its the model that makes the image.... right Angelus? Oct 13 05 06:42 pm Link EMG STUDIOS wrote: Good way to illustrate the point. She was very close to SOL instead of EMG. Oct 13 05 07:24 pm Link EMG: Amen! I still offer TFP shoots as they are the best way for me to screen models for my commerical stuff or if I need to nail a shoot and I know that a certain model can bring the goods. In the past, I had too many of the "pay me I'm pretty" models with no skills to back up the price they pay. I've wised up. I had an e-mail tennis match with a model for a project that I'm shooting nudes for red head models. She responded to a post on another online modeling site. In her reply she proceeded to name an outrageous rate ($150 per hour) and demand that she do implied only. I replied with a retort that she was not in position to dictate terms to me and if she did not want to do nudes then why did she reply to the ad? She replied back stating that her manager told her that it was not in her interest to do nudes (again why is she answering the ad for nude work?? and why is SHE answering the ad Oct 13 05 07:25 pm Link Doug Swinskey wrote: Well said, Doug, Lillith Leda wrote: Yup, ...its the model that makes the image.... Oct 13 05 07:36 pm Link Lillith Leda wrote: I'm left wondering how much time the model spent in make-up and wardrobe pre shoot? Oct 13 05 07:52 pm Link MarkMarek wrote: Bingo Mark, the model is 100% of the image. Oct 13 05 07:54 pm Link Greek-Italian Model wrote: Are your stats correct??? Oct 13 05 08:04 pm Link Craig Thomson wrote: In my shoot, 20 minutes in hair and makeup maybe? Craig Thomson wrote: I'm not sure. Craig Thomson wrote: She says she loves it. Craig Thomson wrote: MM 1227. This was a teaser image. She hasn't made her selections yet. Craig Thomson wrote: Good question. I have no idea, I like the image but I'm not sure it's "my portfolio" type material. Everything I shoot doesn't make it into my port. Oct 13 05 08:30 pm Link Glamour Boulevard wrote: That's the approach I've adopted, most recently when an agency contacted me to shoot two of their models, and the dates I had available, dates as in plural, conflicted with their minimum wage jobs... And no problem with that, everyone has priorities, but these were offers with options, well in advance... After getting "URGENT" and "REALLY IMPORTANT" e-mails from the models wondering if I could do from 1:40 to 3:10 on one day and 12:15 to 1:25 on another, etc., I told the agency they needed to have a serious talk with their models and informed them I am happy to help, just clear the path before they get to me... Oct 13 05 08:45 pm Link what the heck man, I'll shoot with you ANYTIME no reluctance whatsoever... lol Oct 13 05 08:52 pm Link DawnElizabeth Moderator wrote: According to proper english it can either be hung or hanged,lol. Hanged just came out,lol. btw, whistlin through your nose isnt exactly attractive on a girl like you Oct 13 05 09:11 pm Link Craig Thomson wrote: Hi! Oct 13 05 09:28 pm Link EMG STUDIOS wrote: I can tell you that this model showed up to the studio looking just like the girl in the first picture. EMG don't play that!!! Yes, b/c you said we would figure it out when i got there becuase you didnt want to plan it. Oct 13 05 09:31 pm Link Aprille wrote: EMG STUDIOS wrote: I can tell you that this model showed up to the studio looking just like the girl in the first picture. EMG don't play that!!! Yes, b/c you said we would figure it out when i got there becuase you didnt want to plan it. Ahhah,I knew the girl in that image looked familiar,lol. Hey , that shot of you with the words painted into your skin......... I recently saw another model with the same words in the same places but a slightly different pose. What is the deal with that? Oct 13 05 09:34 pm Link Glamour Boulevard wrote: Aprille wrote: EMG STUDIOS wrote: I can tell you that this model showed up to the studio looking just like the girl in the first picture. EMG don't play that!!! Yes, b/c you said we would figure it out when i got there becuase you didnt want to plan it. Ahhah,I knew the girl in that image looked familiar,lol. Hey , that shot of you with the words painted into your skin......... I recently saw another model with the same words in the same places but a slightly different pose. What is the deal with that? It was for a clothing company Oct 13 05 09:39 pm Link Aprille wrote: Glamour Boulevard wrote: Aprille wrote: EMG STUDIOS wrote: I can tell you that this model showed up to the studio looking just like the girl in the first picture. EMG don't play that!!! Yes, b/c you said we would figure it out when i got there becuase you didnt want to plan it. Ahhah,I knew the girl in that image looked familiar,lol. Hey , that shot of you with the words painted into your skin......... I recently saw another model with the same words in the same places but a slightly different pose. What is the deal with that? It was for a clothing company Oh, ok. So it was sort of an ad campaign. I thought it was just some photographer who saw your pic and liked the idea and ran with it,lol. Oct 13 05 09:41 pm Link EMG STUDIOS wrote: Thank you very much for answering all my questions. It helps to put things in perspective for some of us Virgos. Oct 13 05 09:44 pm Link Craig Thomson wrote: I answered the questions too! Oct 13 05 09:51 pm Link Aprille wrote: Thank you Aprille, I'm happy to hear you had a pleasurable experience with another fine photographer; we all need to hear positive things more often. Oct 13 05 09:52 pm Link Craig Thomson wrote: haha Oct 13 05 10:37 pm Link Hey aprille nice pic.You look sweet! Not too keen about the facial express but the clarity of this photo is real nice, PLUS I LOOOOVVVEEE blue and you can wear that blue girl!! The first pic looses your arms, plus the quality is poor. I think you have talent and this is only the beginning! Hope to see you in the near future. Oct 14 05 06:47 am Link Aprille wrote: Aprille, you're not upset are you? I emailed you and told you about the post and you've met me so you know my demeanor. So I'm sure you can picture me speaking everything that I've typed. ;-) Oct 14 05 09:46 am Link EMG STUDIOS wrote: No, I just wanted to make it clear that i wasnt being flaky..i was really sick Oct 14 05 07:37 pm Link |