Model
chelsey
Posts: 154
Lea Hill, Washington, US
I've never recieved any photos from at least 8 photographers
I've been stiffed on a paid shoot agreement
Been stiffed when a photographer offered to pay for gas
Had one photographer not show up
Had at least two photographers that I know of only take photos of cleavage and ass without letting me know (and no it wasn't for artistic reasons)
Had one photographer try and 'feel me up
But models are the ones that show up with crazy boyfriends, never reply emails, no shows, unproffessional and so on.
Just wanted to even the score. Like not all models are flakes not all photographers are.
Model
Shyly
Posts: 3870
Pasadena, California, US
Chelsey, it sounds like you've had a run of extraordinarily bad luck! If I may ask, do you make a habit of checking references prior to booking shoots? I've found that to be extremely helpful in steering clear of potentially irritating or hazardous situations.
Model
chelsey
Posts: 154
Lea Hill, Washington, US
Nope I'm pretty good about that everyone I've worked with is 'known' around in my area
Photographer
Dev
Posts: 53
Clearwater, Florida, US
tell it! i tend to think there are a good bunch of photographers that still do this for all the wrong reasons even though they are legit. Hopefully you were listed as a reference for the photographers and you can tell the future models how your bad experience was.
Photographer
Arizona Shoots
Posts: 28657
Phoenix, Arizona, US
chelsey wrote:
I've never recieved any photos from at least 8 photographers
I've been stiffed on a paid shoot agreement
Been stiffed when a photographer offered to pay for gas
Had one photographer not show up
Had at least two photographers that I know of only take photos of cleavage and ass without letting me know (and no it wasn't for artistic reasons)
Had one photographer try and 'feel me up
But models are the ones that show up with crazy boyfriends, never reply emails, no shows, unproffessional and so on.
Just wanted to even the score. Like not all models are flakes not all photographers are. How did you get stiffed on a paid shoot? Usually when I do a paid shoot, I cut the check immediately after the shoot.
A funny side-note. One time... a long time ago, I did a shoot with this model. I was paying her and all. Well we had such a good time laughing and stuff durring the shoot that when I dropped her off at her house I forgot to pay her.. She sat there in the passenger seat. I sat there looking at her.. wondering what she was waiting for.. "GET OUT OF MY DAMN CAR ALREADY".. She said, "I thought I was getting paid for this".. Ooops.. Doh! I felt like a jackass. Wrote her the check. We both laughed it off though.
Photographer
Arizona Shoots
Posts: 28657
Phoenix, Arizona, US
chelsey wrote:
I've never recieved any photos from at least 8 photographers
I've been stiffed on a paid shoot agreement
Been stiffed when a photographer offered to pay for gas
Had one photographer not show up
Had at least two photographers that I know of only take photos of cleavage and ass without letting me know (and no it wasn't for artistic reasons)
Had one photographer try and 'feel me up
But models are the ones that show up with crazy boyfriends, never reply emails, no shows, unproffessional and so on.
Just wanted to even the score. Like not all models are flakes not all photographers are. Oh, by the way. I would love to work with you. I'll let you know when I have a project that justifies you coming to Arizona for a weekend.
Photographer
MarkMarek
Posts: 2211
Edmonton, Alberta, Canada
I so want to be a model. Even if I was this full of s**t, people would still kiss my ass.
Photographer
Kentsoul
Posts: 9739
Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania, US
Dev wrote:
i tend to think there are a good bunch of photographers that still do this for all the wrong reasons even though they are legit. I don't know If I'm doing it for all the wrong reasons, but I'm confident that I've got most of them...more wrong reasons than the average photographer anyway.
Model
chelsey
Posts: 154
Lea Hill, Washington, US
John Jebbia wrote:
How did you get stiffed on a paid shoot? Usually when I do a paid shoot, I cut the check immediately after the shoot.
A funny side-note. One time... a long time ago, I did a shoot with this llama. I was paying her and all. Well we had such a good time laughing and stuff durring the shoot that when I dropped her off at her house I forgot to pay her.. She sat there in the passenger seat. I sat there looking at her.. wondering what she was waiting for.. "GET OUT OF MY DAMN CAR ALREADY".. She said, "I thought I was getting paid for this".. Ooops.. Doh! I felt like a jackass. Wrote her the check. We both laughed it off though. Ha ha thats pretty funny! No it was just a plain out stiff, and I'm not the type of person to ask for it cause it really wasn't a significant amount, but its more like the integrity of the person!
Model
chelsey
Posts: 154
Lea Hill, Washington, US
John Jebbia wrote:
Oh, by the way. I would love to work with you. I'll let you know when I have a project that justifies you coming to Arizona for a weekend. lol ok keep in touch
Photographer
megafunk
Posts: 2594
Los Angeles, California, US
John Jebbia wrote:
wondering what she was waiting for.. "GET OUT OF MY DAMN CAR ALREADY".. She said, "I thought I was getting paid for this".. Ooops.. Doh! I felt like a jackass. Wrote her the check. We both laughed it off though. She wanted your change jar.
Original Poster: Maybe for paying gigs, have them pay you a deposit before the shoot or in full upon your arrival. For slow to no CDs, bring your own blank CDR just in case they pull the all gone trick. Every now and then people are going through some things but that shouldn't have to affect you. Especially not 8 times.
Photographer
Craig Thomson
Posts: 13462
Tacoma, Washington, US
chelsey wrote:
I've never recieved any photos from at least 8 photographers
I've been stiffed on a paid shoot agreement
Been stiffed when a photographer offered to pay for gas
Had one photographer not show up
Had at least two photographers that I know of only take photos of cleavage and ass without letting me know (and no it wasn't for artistic reasons)
Had one photographer try and 'feel me up
But models are the ones that show up with crazy boyfriends, never reply emails, no shows, unproffessional and so on.
Just wanted to even the score. Like not all models are flakes not all photographers are. What a wake up call chelsey, I had no idea you've had such bad luck modeling.
There is another model that just posted to my yahoo group with a similar statement but named the photographer that wanted her to shoot without an escort.
I replied to her the same way I'll reply to this post from you.
Snip:
Thank you Charyse, I'm glad to hear you used your instincts and were
not persuaded to meet without an escort. I'd say that has to be one
of the biggest red flag even to most of us photographers.
I'd also like to say, I'm not comfortable forming a lynching party
just yet, but there is another forum where you can post your warning
about this type of behavior (see link below).
Keep in mind that you as well as the photographer need to feel safe
and comfortable when working together and by that, I mean, your
escort should not be intimidating or interfere with any of the
photographer's production. The photographer should make the escort
feel as welcome as the model the entire time you both are at the
shoot.
The link provided is not in any way affiliated with this group, and
I believe you have to register with the site in order to post your
remarks.
Good luck and please keep me informed on any updates.
Craig
http://www.theibl.com
Model
chelsey
Posts: 154
Lea Hill, Washington, US
megafunk wrote:
She wanted your change jar.
Original Poster: Maybe for paying gigs, have them pay you a deposit before the shoot or in full upon your arrival. For slow to no CDs, bring your own blank CDR just in case they pull the all gone. Every now and then people are going through some things but that shouldn't have to affect you. Especially not 8 times. it happens there are plenty of photographers out there that do it but not many models ever really exploit photgraphers about it. I used to always judge people thinking everyone was upfront, honest, and was plenty of good, but mistakes happen so you can learn.
Model
chelsey
Posts: 154
Lea Hill, Washington, US
Craig Thomson wrote:
What a wake up call chelsey, I had no idea you've had such bad luck modeling.
There is another model that just posted to my yahoo group with a similar statement but named the photographer that wanted her to shoot without an escort.
I replied to her the same way I'll reply to this post from you.
Snip:
Thank you Charyse, I'm glad to hear you used your instincts and were
not persuaded to meet without an escort. I'd say that has to be one
of the biggest red flag even to most of us photographers.
I'd also like to say, I'm not comfortable forming a lynching party
just yet, but there is another forum where you can post your warning
about this type of behavior (see link below).
Keep in mind that you as well as the photographer need to feel safe
and comfortable when working together and by that, I mean, your
escort should not be intimidating or interfere with any of the
photographer's production. The photographer should make the escort
feel as welcome as the model the entire time you both are at the
shoot.
The link provided is not in any way affiliated with this group, and
I believe you have to register with the site in order to post your
remarks.
Good luck and please keep me informed on any updates.
Craig
http://www.theibl.com Good point,
Hince the reason at the meeting I didn't want to announce myself as a model or be posted as one ;}
Photographer
Craig Thomson
Posts: 13462
Tacoma, Washington, US
megafunk wrote:
She wanted your change jar.
Original Poster: Maybe for paying gigs, have them pay you a deposit before the shoot or in full upon your arrival. For slow to no CDs, bring your own blank CDR just in case they pull the all gone trick. Every now and then people are going through some things but that shouldn't have to affect you. Especially not 8 times. I've not had the opportunity to hire a model yet, but I'd think a complete agreement of pay and payment conditions should be on the table before I put my key in the ignition to drive to the shoot.
Photographer
Craig Thomson
Posts: 13462
Tacoma, Washington, US
chelsey wrote:
Good point,
Hince the reason at the meeting I didn't want to announce myself as a model or be posted as one ;} I understand now, will you accept my apology?
*I've always thought of you as a model*
Photographer
megafunk
Posts: 2594
Los Angeles, California, US
chelsey wrote:
but mistakes happen so you can learn. I wasn't doubting you. You shouldn't have had that happen to you in such a compressed amount of time. It's fucked up. So protect your interests as best as possible and leave the optimism for the unscorched.
Model
chelsey
Posts: 154
Lea Hill, Washington, US
Craig Thomson wrote:
I understand now, will you accept my apology?
*I've always thought of you as a model* I understand too only as long as you accept mine too
Photographer
Craig Thomson
Posts: 13462
Tacoma, Washington, US
chelsey wrote:
I understand too only as long as you accept mine too Done....
Will you and Robert be there on Nov 12th?
Photographer
Mickle Design Werks
Posts: 5967
Washington, District of Columbia, US
In my TFP/CD model release I make it a point to put in a time when I will get the CD of edited images to the model (30 days from the e-mail that had thier selections in it). I try to be good about meeting the deadline but I don't alway meet them. I do try to keep in contact with the model if I am late and give them an idea of when to expect them.
Also, I almost always give a proof disc to the model of all of the unedited images. Sometimes this is not possible (if we are shooting on location or a tight schedule) to do at the time of the shoot, in that case I either mail the disc to them or create an on-line contact sheet for the model.
The point is that the images are the compensation for the model.
Images=money
But models should understand that most photographer here have other commitments that take away from being able to get images to them quickly. If this were full time for me, I could easily have edited images to a model within a week, but I have a few hours on weekdays and maybe a day (or two if I'm not shooting) on the weekends. This can be especially slow if there is a lot of editing to do. if I have to spend 20 minutes editing an images, you can imagin how long it would take to do 30 let alond 300.
I understand the frustration. Ask why it's taking so long and when they expect to have the images done. If they don't answer you then you are within your rights to let everyone else know that the photographer did not honor the agreement. A bad referral is not a good thing for photographers.
Model
Florida_Sunshine
Posts: 57
Celebration, Florida, US
I hear ya girlie!! Models are not the only offenders!!!! I'd have to say that BOTH photographers and models are flakey, wishy-washy, late, rude, inconsiderate... ect... but we are all people. They come in all different shapes, sizes, tempers, egos, characters, colors, smells....  So for all those bad experiences you've had, you will have an awesome one somewhere along the way  You've got some good Dharma comming your way!!! And until then, instill the fear of God into those you work with. Ask for your money upfront, sign contracts before you shoot speficying what you get out of the deal (or even write your own fair one if they don't have a fair one), bombard them with phone calls (they will eventually send you your CD to get you to leave them alone), or if you are selling your rights to the photos don't sign the contract till you get your money, kick them in the head... I can't give you ALL my secrets on how to instill terror into others... but if all else fails... Send them a nice box of poop! haha I love that one!!! ~The Aydenator
Model
~*Isabel Aurora*~
Posts: 5778
Boca del Mar, Florida, US
Ayden Minh Li wrote:
Send them a nice box of poop!
~The Aydenator Hmmm...hadn't thought of that one....
A "nice" box...like...maybe with a flower sticking out?
Photographer
Craig Thomson
Posts: 13462
Tacoma, Washington, US
Ayden Minh Li wrote:
And until then, instill the fear of God into those you work with.
Ask for your money upfront, sign contracts before you shoot speficying what you get out of the deal (or even write your own fair one if they don't have a fair one), bombard them with phone calls (they will eventually send you your CD to get you to leave them alone), or if you are selling your rights to the photos don't sign the contract till you get your money, kick them in the head...
I can't give you ALL my secrets on how to instill terror into others... but if all else fails...
Send them a nice box of poop!
haha I love that one!!!
~The Aydenator If you stoop to the level of the offender, you become the same person....glad you said it and not I
Model
Zoe
Posts: 1326
Palm Beach, Florida, US
Ayden,
hahahahahah, you totally rock! box of poop! hahahahhaha
Model
Florida_Sunshine
Posts: 57
Celebration, Florida, US
Ya gotta have fun with the mean-spirited people in this world!! Never let mean change you, jade you or make you feel bad. Just pull a fun-spirited prank then sit back and wait for the Karma/Dharma to come back around.. both ways! I figure I can deal with some shit... I love your avatar Zoe, its so awesome!!!!!! ~Ayden
Model
angelavasquez
Posts: 844
Murrieta, California, US
chelsey wrote:
I've never recieved any photos from at least 8 photographers
I've been stiffed on a paid shoot agreement
Been stiffed when a photographer offered to pay for gas
Had one photographer not show up
Had at least two photographers that I know of only take photos of cleavage and ass without letting me know (and no it wasn't for artistic reasons)
Had one photographer try and 'feel me up
But models are the ones that show up with crazy boyfriends, never reply emails, no shows, unproffessional and so on.
Just wanted to even the score. Like not all models are flakes not all photographers are. It happens. Just Pick up and move on.
Photographer
Ron Goldstein
Posts: 219
Brooklyn, Indiana, US
chelsey wrote:
I've never recieved any photos from at least 8 photographers
I've been stiffed on a paid shoot agreement
Been stiffed when a photographer offered to pay for gas
Had one photographer not show up
Had at least two photographers that I know of only take photos of cleavage and ass without letting me know (and no it wasn't for artistic reasons)
Had one photographer try and 'feel me up
But models are the ones that show up with crazy boyfriends, never reply emails, no shows, unproffessional and so on.
Just wanted to even the score. Like not all models are flakes not all photographers are. Just know who you are working for becouse some just playing with the concept of a camera and a model , but it dosent make them knowing what they are doing or being photographers .
Model
chelsey
Posts: 154
Lea Hill, Washington, US
Craig Thomson wrote:
Done....
Will you and Robert be there on Nov 12th? I'm gonna as long as I'm not too tied up with school lately I've been there overtime on the weekends so hopefully
Model
Burnz F
Posts: 162
San Diego, California, US
chelsey wrote:
Nope I'm pretty good about that everyone I've worked with is 'known' around in my area ... Chelsea, that's your biggest mistake, you assume that people are great/good because they are "well-known"... it is always wise to check for references, and if they refuse to give it, then there obviously is something sketchy about them. A person who has nothing to hide will gladly offer them to you... Remember, modeling is a business, and you have to be smart about it to succeed... so just a suggestion, don't assume, make certain that they are legit, so far I have only one BAD experience with a shooter (if you can call him that) check out my port and you'll knw who I am talking about....
goodluck...
B~
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