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Photographer

PhillipJonesPhotography

Posts: 104

Calgary, Alberta, Canada

Who else is in love with that spotlight rendering thingy on photoshop?  I'm afraid i'm becoming hooked.

Dec 02 05 10:33 am Link

Model

DawnElizabeth

Posts: 3907

Madison, Mississippi, US

philsajonesen wrote:
Who else is in love with that spotlight rendering thingy on photoshop?  I'm afraid i'm becoming hooked.

I like the omni light. I use it in my black and white portraits for clients and it seems to be a hit.

Dec 02 05 10:37 am Link

Photographer

giovanni gruttola

Posts: 1279

Middle Island, New York, US

I've used it under certain circumstances...but as with all the effects in PS...in moderation...no offense to the moderator smile

Dec 02 05 10:42 am Link

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Charcoal Artist

Posts: 87

Phoenix, Arizona, US

Is this the feature that's been available forever or are you talking about something new in CS2??   Can you please post a sample?

Dec 02 05 11:25 am Link

Photographer

J Sigerson

Posts: 587

Los Angeles, California, US

Been around forever. So long in fact, that I forget about it, and how useful it can be (in moderation, of course).

Gotta go put spotlights on everything!

(it's in the Filter-Render submenu, I think...)

Dec 02 05 02:51 pm Link

Photographer

quietnow

Posts: 256

take a look at my portfolio for some use of it - it worked for the 'grimy hotel' look I was going for, so I got my money's worth.

Dec 02 05 08:24 pm Link

Photographer

Kevin Connery

Posts: 17824

El Segundo, California, US

My experience has been that it can work for monochrome images. Color is problematic.

I haven't been able to get it to give me a realistic look in color, and I've seen hundreds (if not thousands) of images where that postprocessing was quite easily identified AS a postprocessing technique, to the (in my opinion) detriment of the image.  Based on that, it's evidently very difficult to get it to work seamlessly in color.

Even as a "quick" vignetting technique, it changes the contrast and saturation of the areas affected in a distinctive fashion, much like a paint-with-black vignette does.

Dec 03 05 12:58 am Link

Model

liviamodel

Posts: 117

SOUTHWEST, Pennsylvania, US

philsajonesen wrote:
Who else is in love with that spotlight rendering thingy on photoshop?  I'm afraid i'm becoming hooked.

Can you give an example of what you are talking about?  Not sure what "thingy" you are referring to. smile

Livia

Dec 03 05 01:06 am Link

Photographer

Michael LaPolla

Posts: 144

Utica, New York, US

my favorite setting is the 2 oclock one!

Dec 03 05 01:22 am Link

Photographer

quietnow

Posts: 256

Livia, look at my portfolio.

Dec 03 05 09:35 am Link

Photographer

J Sigerson

Posts: 587

Los Angeles, California, US

Kevin Connery wrote:
My experience has been that it can work for monochrome images. Color is problematic.

I haven't been able to get it to give me a realistic look in color, and I've seen hundreds (if not thousands) of images where that postprocessing was quite easily identified AS a postprocessing technique, to the (in my opinion) detriment of the image.  Based on that, it's evidently very difficult to get it to work seamlessly in color.

Even as a "quick" vignetting technique, it changes the contrast and saturation of the areas affected in a distinctive fashion, much like a paint-with-black vignette does.

Yep. Digital color is a very fragile thing. Not perfect, but worth a shot if you really need to spotlight a color pic: after rendering the spotlight click Edit>Fade, fade by Luminosity (100%). That gives you the spotlight without the color shift. But... perceived color and brightness values are so interconnected, you'll probably have to bring back some of the color from the spotlight; so select  Lighting Effects in the history palette, fill from history, then Edit>Fade, fade by Color (50%?)... I'd rather do it with a Curves adjustment layer (with a radial gradient layer mask), but by the time it looks right, you'll wish you'd just reshot...

I think it's one of the (many) PS effects that's easier in real life. Like a lot of things, grayscale is more forgiving (no color shift to fret about), but then you've got to turn that RGB image into a lush B&W, a whole 'nother box of bait...

Dec 03 05 06:07 pm Link

Photographer

Kevin Connery

Posts: 17824

El Segundo, California, US

easyonthe eyes wrote:
Yep. Digital color is a very fragile thing.

Well said.

For my purposes, Curves in Normal, Screen, Multiply, or Overlay modes have been faster and less work. But I'll give your technique a try, and see.

My major issue other than color is that the spotlighting effect 'spills' on what would be other layers in real life--a 'virtual' spotlight on a face, for example, doesn't stop on the face, nor contour it the same way, but unless very carefully masked, bleeds in an artificial way. That it can be avoided is unarguable; that other methods give comparable-or-better results in less time for me is similarly unarguable.

There's more than one way to do it.

easyonthe eyes wrote:
I think it's one of the (many) PS effects that's easier in real life. Like a lot of things, grayscale is more forgiving (no color shift to fret about), but then you've got to turn that RGB image into a lush B&W, a whole 'nother box of bait...

Yup. Even heavy-handed blurring can work more believably in monochrome than in color. Fortunately, there are many good ways to get a good monochrome image from a color one. Unfortunately, none of them help if you need good color, and, equally unfortunately, there's even more ways to get a bad monochrome image than a good one. smile

Dec 04 05 12:31 am Link

Photographer

J Sigerson

Posts: 587

Los Angeles, California, US

Kevin Connery wrote:
Fortunately, there are many good ways to get a good monochrome image from a color one. Unfortunately, none of them help if you need good color...

...unless at 4am, in a burst of genius or clammy-palmed desperation, you dupe the (color) background, drag it to the top of your B&W, set the blend mode to Color and give it a little blur... Eureka!

Then you wake up the next day and it looks like crap again.

(This actually can work to make a terrible image... merely bad. I can't imagine bothering unless somebody in$i$ts)

Dec 04 05 07:58 am Link